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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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MortalEnemy · 11/11/2017 22:47

I can't wear those Lindybop shapes, pickle they look cartoonish on me, and that one would look way too over-the-top glam for my workplace. Remember we'll all be going straight from work, and I will be getting dressed at 6.30 am that morning in something that has to be workable at a 9 am meeting in a casual work environment as well as looking uncharacteristically seductive but not try-hard-- at dinner. Grin

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MindWillingBodyNotSoMuch · 11/11/2017 23:00

Very new to MN and loving this thread. Constantly refreshing for updates! Living vicariously through others.

badbadhusky · 11/11/2017 23:07

If you have a bust to show off and a waist, some of Bravissimo’s day dresses are pretty flattering on & can be dressed down for the day and then tarted up for the evening. There are loads on their website.

situation with my colleague
situation with my colleague
TatianaLarina · 11/11/2017 23:11

What about something like this DVF

I’d look Whistles, J Crew, Reiss, Ted Baker, LK Bennett, Outnet, Yoox..

TatianaLarina · 11/11/2017 23:14

Would this be too smart?

MortalEnemy · 12/11/2017 00:13

DvF is a brilliant idea, actually I had a print wrap dress of hers I loved and wore for years until the dry cleaners lost it. A lot of the loveliest ones are sold out on the site, though. But whatever it is needs to have sleeves, I should have said. (I have very noticeable scars on my arms, legacy of a long bout of self-harm when I was in my 20s. I know some people just style it out, but I've never managed to what they are is very obvious, and while I'm not ashamed of them, I don't like giving away something like that about myself in a semi-work environment.)

I probably should go to S and B, but even though they're so knowledgeable and helpful, I always find them slightly scary, because they understand mascara and contouring and have had their colours done, whereas I'm a messy-haired oddball in biker boots who wears too much black and no longer knows what dresssize she is. Grin

So much thought and trouble, when Rumpled is likely to attend in his usual professionally rumpled costume and look great...

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badbadhusky · 12/11/2017 00:17

Look, attending looking seriously hawt may help to tip his hand, if only through the fear that someone else may get in there first. If you are complimented by other men on your night out, so much the better.

MortalEnemy · 12/11/2017 00:27

badbad, you have not met the other men in my dept. If anyone of them complimented me, I'd be genuinely looking about for Jeremy Beadle, or or a Derren Brown mind-control experiment!

I should confess, as a chronic under-dresser, to a creeping horror of looking as if I've made a lot of effort... A male US friend of mine tells an embarrassing and rather sad story about how his mother once asked him to look up the adult daughter of an old friend, who had just moved to his city, but when he called to her house on his way home from the gym, thinking they were going to be having a discussion about supermarkets and registering with a doctor, she answered the door dressed up to the nines, under the impression they were going on a date...

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badbadhusky · 12/11/2017 00:36

Oops - re the sweaty gym kit.

Ah, Mortal - I am assuming your dinner is not being held in a bunker. Other men or restaurant staff may compliment you, even if your colleagues do not. Wink

Mix56 · 12/11/2017 07:10

No one changes for this do ?
Nice black one here, you could wear biker boots with it !!

www.debenhams.com/women/dresses/wrap-dresses

Saffronwblue · 12/11/2017 07:41

Mortal I reckon he is at the stage where he will think you are gorgeous even if you are in an old paper bag.
Be aware he will be very inhibited and panicky distant to you because of all the other colleagues there.

MyOtherProfile · 12/11/2017 07:55

I'm so excited about your Christmas dinner. When is it? Can we book a neighbouring mn table just to wave and smile and give you moral support? I'm sure I'm free that day.

picklemepopcorn · 12/11/2017 08:33

I love the denenhams ones. Might start looking there myself. I never wear lindybop- I’d look like a sack of spuds with a tight belt. I love the shapes and fabrics though. But not vintaged up. Just worn straight.
There isn’t much around at the moment. Weird sleeves, cold shoulders and not good colours for me.

Luckily, I don’t have a hot prospect at a work do to dress for!

Whowhatwhy · 12/11/2017 08:34

Just read the whole thread and I'm entirely caught up in it. I second the pp saying you should write a novel op

Framboisier · 12/11/2017 09:04

Mortal - you need to get yourself on the LB Bennett website pdq. Perfect work to night out dresses, great for curvy shapes (I bought three of one style in different colours because they are so flattering) - there’s a black one with long sleeves that would do you a treat and there is 25% off this weekend.

It’s fate...

TatianaLarina · 12/11/2017 09:49

Ralph Lauren at HoF do similar to the LKB dress, slightly cheaper.

MortalEnemy · 12/11/2017 09:53

You people are so bloody sweet. I've now got several possibilities, and have ordered four dresses, at least one of which will hopefully tick the 'plausibly workwear but makes the most of my bosoms and waist looks good in a low-key way' box. Grin I never think to look on Yoox, and it has lovely things -- though the most lovely were over £1000, so I moved quickly on...

Framboisier, I love the shape of that dress, but I wear way too much black, and the blue is exactly the colour of the school uniform I spent thirteen years of my life in, and which I still wince at!

I've fallen in love with kimono sleeved wrap dresses this morning, so if anyone sees any anywhere other than the shops/sites already mentioned, do say.

This has turned into S and B. Grin

Various questions I never answered. Work thing is mid-Dec. We don't usually have Christmas dos, so I've no experience of them, but no, no one ever dresses up for after-hours work stuff, and three men in my department wear shorts or climbing trousers to work year-round, and only keep formal clothes for particularly formal/public-facing stuff.

No, I can't stay out all night -- my mother will be babysitting! Yes, unfortunately, there is work the next day, but the next night is the offsite event I asked colleague to come and help with. However, I think this event is going to be a damp squib, so not sure whether I should let him off the hook. If he uptake is as minimal as it looks as if it may be, then it will be very obvious that there's no reason for him to be there, and also, I may look like an idiot...?

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MyOtherProfile · 12/11/2017 09:54

Buy then you can both leave early and pick up where you left off the evening before Grin

MortalEnemy · 12/11/2017 09:54

If THE uptake...

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badbadhusky · 12/11/2017 09:57

I say tell him the numbers look low & you can probably manage without him, but a spare pair of hands could be helpful if extras turn up unannounced. He may well choose to come anyway. Wink

TatianaLarina · 12/11/2017 09:57

Or what about this from Phase 8.

TatianaLarina · 12/11/2017 09:59

Xpost - missed the blue memo.

There’s nothing remotely scary about S&B. It’s mostly Boden and M&S.

TatianaLarina · 12/11/2017 10:02

There’s usually loads of kimono sleeve stuff on Asos.

MortalEnemy · 12/11/2017 10:18

I love that Roisin dress, Tatiana. I do like blue, especially teal or blue-green or blue grey and it suits me it's more the royal blue end of things that recalls school uniform.

Boden freaks me out, actually. It's so English and middle-class, and I'm neither!

Oh, before anyone gets carried away, colleague will most likely be not drinking at work do, because he lives an hour's drive from work, and always travels by car. There is a train, I think, but I can't suggest he takes it and lets his hair down unless he actually tells me he's coming to the work party, which he hasn't.

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