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It was all going so well until he said he voted Leave.

331 replies

Locotion · 23/08/2017 09:22

I am sure conflicting politics is a common problem. Shudder. For someone to vote for such a destructive step as flippantly as he said: "just to see what happens" concerns me somewhat.

Aside from that he is very nice. How does one decide whether to take things forward? I guess time will tell? But then.... isnt it more difficult to extract yourself when you are more physically and emotionally entangled.

Oh dear, I don't know what to do. Only had relationship with ex (long term marriage ) & flings. Not sure how things work.

I do like him. But... he voted Leave. And doesnt read. And has lived in thr same place with his family all 4 decades of his live. I read (or did before kids!) & have travelled a bit..... are we compatible?

Oh dear - I sound like I am looking down on his experiences but I guess they are just different ...

Eek

OP posts:
Knope2020 · 23/08/2017 12:54

Fake...there will not be another referendum because leave would lose
The govt will not ignore ref result either - only advisory or not

LazaUbi · 23/08/2017 13:18

Also, from talking to friends and acquaintances who voted leave what I've noticed is that whilst they aren't stupid, they are in many cases ill-informed. They're not media savvy and so yes, they did believe the propaganda about the NHS. They had no idea about the method for leaving, thought it would be simple and hadn't at all, in any way, thought about the Irish border. So not stupid, no, but not informed about the issues at hand.

Not bothering to ensure you are informed before casting your vote on something so significant is a clear indication of stupidity. These people cannot then complain when those suffering as a result of their decision are angry with them for their completely irresponsible behaviour.

fakenamefornow · 23/08/2017 13:25

So I feel that a huge amount of this leavers are stupid, misinformed racists is to cover the backs of those that made the campaign mistakes in the first place.

None of it should be about the campaigns though, it should be about the merits of leaving the EU V remaining in the EU. The campaigns are just the show you put on to promote your side, it shouldn't matter who did the best show, although I acknowledge that (sadly) the show did seem to matter.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 23/08/2017 13:26

If he regretted it, (like a lot of people I know) I wouldn't mind. Grin

If he still thought it was a good idea,then nah, I'd struggle to spend time with him.

JK1773 · 23/08/2017 13:42

This thread is shocking. It's perfectly alright for people to have different political votes. It's the reasons behind them and the ultimate values and beliefs that are important. My DP and I voted opposite ways. Both with the very best of intentions. We are both well educated, well read, researched our reasons and informed. Well we were as informed as we could be in the face of the barrage of lies told by both despicable campaigns. Neither of us is racist, uneducated etc. Just so insulting. I also think the backlash of this vote from both sides is absolutely shameful. From EDL/ racist types bleating on one side, to the other side labelling 52% of the population as such. Can I just say most people who cast their vote last year did so believing they were doing the right thing for the future of all of us. Whether the result was right or not none of us yet knows. I bloody hate mud slinging debates like this. It's beneath us all Angry

Gabilan · 23/08/2017 13:43

I think politicians who claim that saying the electorate was too uninformed to decide this is an insult to the electorate are wrong We are too ill-informed and it's unfair and unrealistic to expect us not to be, and it's all just part of the anti-expert agenda at the moment

Agreed. I know people who have studied European politics for decades and I trust their judgement but the issues are hugely complex for anyone to get their head around. I'd rather politicians, who we elect specifically to deal with these issues, were actually doing their jobs.

Laza - I see your point! But see above. Also, I think a lot of it was about being ill-informed rather than uninformed. So they'd maybe read some newspaper articles, but it was propaganda from the Mail for example. I'd also, rather than say that a large portion of the population ARE stupid, think that they DID something stupid. And after all, people can be relatively intelligent, but make mistakes.

The right ring press holds sway in the UK and people aren't taught how to evaluate evidence or spot propaganda. That means they may think they know enough, but they make decisions based on lies.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 23/08/2017 13:48

And I couldn't have a relationship with anyone who thought both sides told a barrage of lies equally. It's just like the people who think both sides in Charlottesville are equally bad. (Tends to be leave voters that ime)

DadOctave · 23/08/2017 13:51

As with all things relationship related, it's down to communication, just talk, if you two can have a discussion/debate/argument about it all and still care for/love each other afterwards then maybe politics/religion don't matter.

Not really the same league but my wife hated science fiction/fantasy with a passion, but we still got on (and still do even though we're separating)

plantsitter · 23/08/2017 13:53

JK1773 I agree with most of your post (although I have been surprised by my own emotional response to the referendum result) BUT people are talking about whether they could have a romantic relationship with someone who voted differently from them. Great that you can. I wouldn't.

AvoidingCallenetics · 23/08/2017 14:00

52% of the people who voted chose to leave. Nearly 30% of the population cba to express an opinion one way or the other so therefore agreed to accept the result whichever way it turned out.
If you are only going to date people who see the world in exactly the same way that you do and make the same voting choices, you are going to seriously narrow your relationship options

HumphreyCobblers · 23/08/2017 14:04

I couldn't possibly have a relationship with someone who was so bigoted that they could not accept that other people could have a different political opinion to them and still be a decent human being.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 23/08/2017 14:05

I don't think she'll have trouble meeting someone more comparable than someone who voted leave just to see what happens. Grin she really doesn't need to keep her options that open.

TatianaLarina · 23/08/2017 14:09

A Leave vote would be a deal breaker for me, but you don't sound compatible at all. It's the symptom of the problem rather than the cause of it.

Kentnurse2015 · 23/08/2017 14:10

@JK1773 I totally agree!

TatianaLarina · 23/08/2017 14:11

OP's not saying he's not a decent human being. Just not for her.

AvoidingCallenetics · 23/08/2017 14:13

I doubt he really did it for shits and giggles. Probably doesn't want to get drawn in to arguing with someone he has just met and quite likes.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 23/08/2017 14:13

OP's not saying he's not a decent human being.

Tbh the OP has said very little.

Posted once. Lit touch paper and left....

TatianaLarina · 23/08/2017 14:22

Can I just say most people who cast their vote last year did so believing they were doing the right thing for the future of all of us

The same is true of referendums in Nazi Germany, but they at least have the excuse of a level of coercion. Believing you're doing the best for the country is no defence for political folly.

AvoidingCallenetics · 23/08/2017 14:28

Hardly comparable Tatiana.

Believing you're doing the best for the country is no defence for political folly.

I think a genuine belief that you are doing the best for the country is the best way to vote.

BlackStars · 23/08/2017 14:29

So does your partner/husband always have to vote the same way as you ?
Do they even have to tell you? or discuss it?

If 20 years down the line they vote for something you don't approve off are you off?

LazaUbi · 23/08/2017 14:30

Gabilan I see the point you are making too however, I'd argue that anybody who thinks that the best way of informing themselves with facts about international trade, economics, customs arrangements and the functioning of international law and treaties is to refer to the nonsensical bile in the Daily Mail etc, is also demonstrating a very clear lack of intelligence.

AvoidingCallenetics · 23/08/2017 14:32

Tbh, I don't think it's the leavers who are coming across as a bit thick on this thread. Am Shock at the number of people who would end relationships because their partner made a different choice.
Seems democracy is only desirable if you vote the 'right' way.

plantsitter · 23/08/2017 14:36

It's just a question of how important having similar politics is in a relationship TO YOU. It's not about democracy, it's about your very personal choices. No one is obliged to give anyone else a chance in a relationship.

Of course people are entitled to have different opinions but I can marry whom I please, thanks.

TatianaLarina · 23/08/2017 14:36

The referendums are highly comparable - they're an easily manipulable mob vote. That's why Germany ended their use after the war.

Genuine belief is no excuse for poor judgement.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 23/08/2017 14:38

Tbf, I might date him if he were the last leaver on earth.
If the choice was:
Farage
Boris
Davis
Gove
Trump
Putin
ISIS
EDL
BNP
Aaron Banks
That fella from Weatherspoons
The Dyson man
I'd go for your man. At least his reasoning, 'see what happens' was fairly sound.