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Boyfriend is financially irresponsible. Should i leave him?

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Liongirl111 · 10/08/2017 21:23

Hello,
First time posting as i really need some unbiased relationship/life advice on this matter.
I've been with my partner for 4 years. No kids and both in our mid/late twenties.
We are very much in love and generally get on well and rarely argue over anything other than one thing... Money!!
A bit of background is that i have come from a poor background where money was a real issue growing up and the cause of soooo much stress!! As i grew up without i was determined to make something of myself. I went to uni and qualified in a very good profession and have been on no less than 30k since 22 years old (through literal blood sweat and a lot of tears) and i am now in a very stable well payed job that requires a lot of hard work.
I also live down south so prices are also a lot higher if that makes a difference?

My partner on the other hand.. Grew up very well off. His parents were able to provide him with a very good lifestyle with 3 foriegn holidays a year and everything a child could dream of.. And they're the nicest most giving people I've ever met!!
However since the day ive got with him he has not held down a steady job longer than 6 months, has no qualifications, can't drive and wont learn and has no realistic ambitions to do well or better himself and spends his money in the most selfish and unreasonable ways despite any advice given to him. For example, he'll blow his wages within the first week on a playstation , take aways, games etc. Then he'll be begging me or his parents to lend his money as he's blown his wages and in his overdrafts accuring fees. Ill refuse to lend him money but someone else will (family or mates) or he'll sell his playstation. He'll even blow his food budget and then i have to pay for his meals. He literally gets to the point where he has 0 money and 0 food and three weeks till payday, so if i don't fees him then he would literally starve (well realistically he just goes and raids his parents cupboards at their house. Their not gonna let him starve for 3 week's). Then payday comes around and he does the exact same thing again!! Never learns!!

When we first got together i did overlook this as i realised that i am the other extreme in terms of having a well paid stable job at 22 and i know a lot of young people haven't got their careers and finances together like i did. But i did think that in a few years time he'd have it sorted or at least be working towards some qualifications?? But nope! Instead he has recently lost yet another job and is back on the job hunt. Sighh.. I'm really at my wits end!!

I have however made such a stupid mistake on my part.. After 2 years of being together i made the stupid decision of moving in together and renting a house. I honestly thought us living together would give him some responsibility and a kick up the bum and he'd change. In a way he did.. He no longer walks out of jobs if he doesnt like them and holds them down until he is basically sacked (being late, being on his mobile etc). Again, i really would not expect him to be on anywhere near the same salary as me and him being on minimum wage doesn't bother me.. Its the lack of bloody work ethic and responsibility that grates me!!

All of this really makes me worry about the future.. If i were to become pregnant then i would have no choice but to go back to work full time and not even just because i earn more but because he'd have us down the shitter otherwise.

I have tried everything to help him with his finances.. Making him spreadsheets, taking through his budgets.. At one point i even got his full wage given to me and i split it into 4 weeks and gave him it weekly to stop the impulsive spending but that didnt work as he'd blow the weekly spends that same day and beg for the week afters money due to overdraft fees!!

His parents know exactly how he is and they try and talk to him and kick him into touch but it doesn't work. And why would it? He knows that if he loses his job then ill just pay the bills (i have no choices really do i? Can't let myself get into arrears because of him). And even if i took a stand and didn't pay a bill, i really dont think it would bother him as in his mind worst case scenario is we'd get evicted and just move in with his mum and dad!! They have a nice big ass house with plenty of food and nice things so there would be no punishment or real consequence for him i suppose!

His attitude towards money/work is really turning into a deal breaker and im starting to feel resentful. He has everything growing up and i had nothing. I would have killed for his opportunities but he's not bothered with a single one. Yet i am the one essentially supporting him despite having the poorer start in life. I feel like if anything it should have been the other way around?

Also i must add his siblings are the complete opposite to him and are all working well paid jobs and been to uni, so it can't be his parents spoiling him as the cause?

So why am i with him?? Because every other aspect of our relationship is perfect. He is very loyal and loving. Treats me so well im every other aspect. We both fancy each other loads still and are very connected emotionally. I adore his family, i feel like they're my own and he adores mine.

I can't imagine breaking up with someone purely over money when there are no other issues. It sounds shallow and cold. But at the same time, can you honestly have a long term relationship with marriage and children in the future, with someone who can't/wont hold down a steady job?!

OP posts:
Magpiemagpie · 12/08/2017 06:48

If it were me I would go on holiday without him
Leave your sim card in a old phone at home so he can't bother you
imagine the utter confusion on his face when he is ringing you and the phone is ringing in the kitchen 😄😄

rizlett · 12/08/2017 06:50

freedomprogramme.co.uk

if you decide to do the online course - be prepared to be surprised - it'll be the best £10 you've ever invested.

FinallyHere · 12/08/2017 07:18

Dear Liongirl I absolutely get you: you have been treating him as you would have liked to be treated yourself, as a vulnerable child. You have done great and are ready now, to move on to more adult relationships. I can say, your future is going to be great. So glad to hear from you, how well you are doing.

Its not that usual here on MN, but please accept some {{{{{hugs}}}}} from me

TheNightmanCometh · 12/08/2017 07:59

You're doing the right thing OP. The only way a relationship like this would work is if you didn't want marriage and children and were content to keep him in your life as a diversion. The fact that not a single handmaiden has come on to claim things would all be different if the sexes were reversed tells you how untenable your situation is.

CurlJunkie · 12/08/2017 08:06

@Liongirl111 I was in exactly the same position as you a few years ago. My ex bf was the same as yours. We had a holiday booked to Egypt. I sold it on eBay & got most of MY money back (I'd paid for the holiday of course). Please look at the holidays on eBay. All you have to do is change the name on the travel details.

Please update later today!

KatharinaRosalie · 12/08/2017 08:45

Oh what a surprise, he likes Bukowski! (So does my friend's useless boyfriend). So he is above all this mundane rat race and you know, working to pay his bills and such.

I would take the opportunity to tell him and his parents exactly why he's being dumped.

WhatWouldGenghisDo · 12/08/2017 09:01

I wonder as well if after the array of stepfathers a sweet little boy as a partner seemed like a positive and unthreatening choice?

You don't have to choose between men like your stepfathers and men like your DP Lion. There are lots of blokes who are both grown up and safe to be with out there and remember you are a catch!

Freedom programme seems like a good idea as pp suggested.

Loopytiles · 12/08/2017 10:50

And perhaps the "stately homes" threads.

Excited101 · 12/08/2017 12:20

Well done op, you're doing the right thing. It'll only get worse as time goes on and you and his parents are only making things worse by enabling him (understandably in your case). Who knows where you'll both be at in 5 years or so, maybe it will be a wake up call for him and he will change but for now you need to do what's right for you, you've put up with his nonsense for long enough.

Liongirl111 · 12/08/2017 12:53

I woke up feeling awful today. He made me breakfast in bed and a cuppa and then went downstairs to start doing the dishes. Whilst this was going on i just felt dread. This is our usual Saturday morning routine. Despite his man child ways he is very sweet. I felt so emotional and regretted ever starting this thread and opening up this can of worms I've suppressed for years. I feel i now have to do something about it as ive acknowledged the reality that it'll never work long term.

Although frustrating and upsetting its felt easier to ignore the problem as it being 'lover tiffs' over 'money' and not a major issue like infidelity or him being an alcoholic/abuser/liar ..i was able to minimize the issue if you know what i mean?

I just feel so paralysed with fear. Fear of being alone/isolated and unloved. I don't know how i could even do my super stressful and responsible job without having someone to come home and vent too. I suppose these are skills i will have to learn. I'll either sink or swim.

I really wish he could do/say something super irresponsible/childish to give me the final kickstarter i need.
I think the initial break up needs to come from anger instead of tears.

OP posts:
NameChange30 · 12/08/2017 13:07
Flowers

As I said in an earlier post, I really think you would benefit from counselling to help you overcome your fear of being alone and unloved.

It will probably be the key to ending this relationship and avoiding similarly unhealthy relationships in future.

Remember, in the wrong relationship, you may still feel alone and unloved. Until you end it you won't be able to meet the right person who makes you feel secure and wonderful.

rizlett · 12/08/2017 13:26

It's going to be an up and down time op and you are allowed to change your mind and stay - if that's what you want but also - you don't need any reason to leave either.

4 years is a long time - so you're probably a bit addicted to 'helping' him out. Or you may feel you have wasted that time - it's ok to to be afraid of your next steps.

How many hours will it be though before he does/says something super irresponsible/childish to give you the final kickstarter you need?

NameChange30 · 12/08/2017 13:31

"I think the initial break up needs to come from anger instead of tears."

I'm not convinced. I think ideally you would be calm and capable of being clear and firm. You might be a bit upset but you don't want to be overcome by emotion (whether it's upset or anger) when you break up. Of course the final result is the most important thing. But if you split up with him in a fit of anger, will both of you believe that you really mean it?

DancesWithOtters · 12/08/2017 13:32

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TheNightmanCometh · 12/08/2017 13:33

The way you describe him, it sounds like his spending is a compulsion, actually. Kind of in the same ball park as an addiction. I don't know that there's as much of a gap between an alcoholic and his behaviour as you might think.

Out of interest OP, have you managed to start saving for a house deposit yet? What impact do you think having to pay his share all the time has made on your ability to save? I'm not saying it should be 50/50 necessarily, but think about how much you'd have saved if you'd only been paying an amount of the bills proportionate to your salary.

WhatWouldGenghisDo · 12/08/2017 14:29

Lion, I'm going to make some guesses: if they're wrong please ignore them and accept my apologies. I guess that, because of the sort of childhood you had, you didn't learn growing up that you are valuable and important in yourself, you learnt that your job was to look after others (your mum) and therefore, on a really basic level that others value you only as a caretaker, not as a person. You feel safe looking after your DP because you are 'doing your job' as it were and so you know you are valued.

It's going to be really scary going out there and seeing if people will love and value you for you, not for what you do for them. But I assure you, if you put some welly into finding the right people, they absolutely will Flowers

Applebloom · 12/08/2017 14:54

A housemate/friend could also make tea do the dishes, listen to work issues. Fairly standard friendship expectations. They'd also pay their own bills, overdraft fees, save for own holidays and not expect loans week after every payday!
All fairly standard grown up adult behaviour.

AlpacaLipsNow · 12/08/2017 14:58

I was going to say dump him and never have children with him. Then I thought maybe he'd be a good stay at home dad. He seems kind and loving and has compassion. Could you see yourself earning and him bringing up the children? You'd have to be totally in charge of finances but you wouldn't have to worry about child care. Could you earn enough to support a family on your wage?

I panicked and ended up married to my cocklodger because I wanted kids and was running out of time. I have two lovely children and it worked out. I got made redundant, we moved somewhere cheaper and he fluked a job. He supports us all, although I've just started working part time now youngest is at school.

If you decide to leave, you are young and have time to find someone else. Good luck.

Marmite27 · 12/08/2017 15:23

This sounds like my parents relationship.

If id have been my mums friend I'd have told her to take the fantastic opportunity she was offered and tell him no to the proposal.

Good luck

Cherrytart6 · 12/08/2017 15:30

It's too risky to give him a
Second chance unless he has a couple of years under his belt of financially balancing the books alone and being 100% responsible without input.

Cherrytart6 · 12/08/2017 15:32

Alpaca - what if OP wants to be the stay at home parent or part time stay at home parent. She won't have the option.

YoungBritishPissArtist · 12/08/2017 15:35

Aplaca - no! He will bleed the OP dry, she needs to cut all ties to him.

What is it about dickhead men and Bukowski?

From the Roll the Dice poem:
"go all the way/it could mean not eating for 3 or 4 days/it could mean freezing on a park bench." Lol at this guy ever going without food or sleeping rough, if his parents cut him off he'll just find another woman to leech off.

OP, what you've done with your life is truly remarkable, I hope you know that. I had a similar upbringing and I'm a penniless mess. You can do so, so much better than this man.

crazykitten20 · 12/08/2017 15:39

You love who you want him to be. You do not accept him for who he is. You want him to change.

Will he change? I doubt it. Not for you, as you have shown that you'll bail him out every time. This isn't a romantic relationship. It's a mother/son living together.

crazykitten20 · 12/08/2017 15:44

I really wish he could do/say something super irresponsible/childish to give me the final kickstarter i need.

He hasn't already? 😳

Ok. No problem. Stick with him. He will. Guaranteed Smile

Loopytiles · 12/08/2017 15:48

Yes, counselling could be really good. BACP registered counsellor. Invest some money in it OP.

Making cups of tea and listening to your gf is basic stuff.

His cocklodging and workshy dependence is a HUGE issue. The fact that you're doubting and minimising and have been accepting of it is also an issue.

Should you struggle with your work stress post break up you could seek counselling for that too: far, far cheaper than living with a leech!