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My mum died 4 months ago and no one told me

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DailyMailDontStealMyThread · 06/07/2017 22:24

I'm obviously no contact with my mum, haven't spoken to her for a few years. I have an aunt and a cousin who took my mums side when we went no contact.

I received a letter about 3 months ago from my mums company pensions and benefits scheme asking me to confirm my relationship details with my mum which to be honest I ignored because I thought nothing of it. Certainly didn't think to connect it with her death!

I picked up a recorded delivery letter today, again from the company so I made contact and they Told me she has died and wanted to confirm I didn't want to contest the will etc

I don't really know how I feel, I suppose my main thought is I wasn't given the choice to decide to say good bye or not, I don't think I would have but, knowing the funeral took place and I wasn't aware at all...

Not sure why I'm posting. I have no right to be sad. I chose nc for my own reasons which I still believe were the right decision for me but, my mum died and I didn't know.

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0nline · 07/07/2017 08:46

I'm so sorry.

I had similar with my father's death. A random google by a third party revealed strangers talking about his death (some months previous) on the internet.

It can take a while to untangle the strands of grief when that happens. it's been 18 months and I am still trying to prise different filaments apart from a big knot of feelings I struggle to define.

I was so shocked by how I felt. I though I would be immune when he died, because...he wasn't much of a father and dear god I had mourned him enough when we became estranged back in the 80s. I thought I was vaccinated, but it turns out I am decidedly not.

If you are in the UK there is a charity, Stand Alone for estranged adults. If I were in Britain I would make contact. Because "normal" grief resources are for "normal-ish"'relationships. And we didn't have anything like approaching a normal realtionships. Something tailored to estrangement and the complications that go with that might be useful.

Golondrina · 07/07/2017 08:50

I think it's hard to understand the emotions involved if you haven't had the experience of being NC with a relative, particularly a parent. I would argue that the number of people who go NC "on a whim" are vanishingly small. Most people do it as a very last resort, I certainly did. There was simply no way to continue to be in contact with my mother that wasn't really bad for my mental health. She had a slight health scare a year or so ago and got in contact to pull the "I might die" card (massive exaggeration on her part) so I had a good think about it then. I have to say that, as things stand, she has made NO attempt to apologise or accept the reasons why we are NC, so for now, I am not interested in any death bed reunions in the future. I don't know exactly how I will feel when she dies, but I know it won't be a walk in the park emotionally, for all the same reasons as you. But, for me, despite that,NC is still the only option.

Golondrina · 07/07/2017 08:53

When i had counselling around the time NC began, my therapist called it "compound grief" because it's like a bereavement but they are still living. So, when they die you effectively go through all that again, but with all sorts of other unresolved emotions and regrets about the relationship that should have been.

rizlett · 07/07/2017 08:58

Op - when you are in shock its not the right time to make decisions about things like whether you want to contest your mum's will or not.

Please consider contacting the company again to say this and ask if you can have some time to consider your view once you have had time to begin to process your feelings.

Red2of3 · 07/07/2017 08:59
Flowers

I am so sorry to hear that you are in this position. I hope that are looking after yourself well.

I will share my recent experiences in the hope that it will be helpful.

My dad died earlier this year and we had been NC for many years. His step-daughter contacted me just before he died to let me know he was dying.

With hindsight, I wish she hadn't. It caused a lot of soul searching and pain that was unnecessary. He had caused both me and my mum a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering for a long time in the past, and that was why I was NC.

People don't go NC without a reason generally. Prior to this news I did check the online archives of the paper local to him once a year, to loook at the death notices. That would have been the best way for me to find out. If there had still been any mutual connections, a gentle word from one of them would also have been fine. It would have been clean, simple, not at all messy and complicated.

I hope this will really be of help. My mum died several years ago, and it took a very, very long time for me to grieve. My grieving for my father has been much shorter and much easier. Partly because of being NC and partly because of the same reasons that meant I went NC.

I'll explain the latter more. Because of the type of person he was, it's actually been a relief for me that he is gone. That he won't pitch up, selfish and abusive, at random intervals in my life to wield destruction and chaos in my direction. As was his wont. I don't have that hanging over me anymore. There is also the fact he was a smaller part of my life, he was less loving, less supportive, he did me less good and more harm, so in a very real way he was less of a loss from my life than the type of father with whom it would have been possible to be on good terms, or have a loving relationship would have been.

What I have been able to do as part of my grieving, is, as you mention, do a bit of soul searching and thinking through some of the what might have beens. The what might have beens have plagued me on and off for most of my life. But the difference is that, recently, I have been able to let them go totally. It is proper closure.

I am sure you have been through a lot of agony and soul-searching about your relationship with your mother previously. Otherwise you wouldn't have been NC. I know I went through more than a lifetime's worth of that with my father. Now I realise that a lot of that agony and soul-searching was very similar to grieving, just done in advance of death.

So, however awful this feels now, there is a very, very real chance that you have done a, lot of the work of grieving, of coming to terms with loss already. And that this grief will be quicker and easier for you than it might have been otherwise. It is small consolation for all the past pain I know. But grief for someone whom you both love deeply and is an enmeshed part of your life is different I think than grief for someone who has caused you pain and suffered grief and been impossible to hold close, even if you do still love them.

I know that my grief and sense of loss for my father was absolutely dwarfed by what I felt and still sometimes feel for my mother. I know it was nothing compared to what I would have felt if he had been a loving and good father. You have felt a lot of the pain of grief and loss already, so whilst this is intense and awful for you just now, I really, really hope that your experience is similar to mine and it is naturally over quite quickly.

Flowers
665TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 07/07/2017 08:59

I think a thing that is sometimes overlooked is that no contact doesn't mean no love. Not being able to be in an active relationship with someone because they are abusive or damaging doesn't necessarily mean you have absolutly no positive feelings towards them. It can be one of the bitterest dissonances about being abused by family.
I totally get "grieving for what you never had" but don't let this neat phrase cut you away from the real and tangible loss of a person. Being nc does not come with that restriction.
I am not sure I have explained this well Sad

0nline · 07/07/2017 09:00

So, when they die you effectively go through all that again, but with all sorts of other unresolved emotions and regrets about the relationship that should have been.

That sounds about right.

Some days I feel like I'm grieving a shit ton of "could have beens" and "should have beens". All while bargaining with a god I don't believe in for a "would have been" ...if I could just lay my hands on a time machine, go back and make it all different.

Given that estrangement is not so hidden in a corner these days, I think in the future there will be more resources, more light shed on the complications that come into play when the estrangement only ends when a death occurs. Which will be a good thing.

0nline · 07/07/2017 09:20

I am not sure I have explained this well

Considering that I had an almost physical reaction to your post, you have explained it more than well enough.

In the tangle of feelings, something resonated with the truth in what you said.

Maybe that's one of the harder bits. Allowing yourself to recognise that somebody you loved died. Despite everything, you loved them. Even if conventional wisdom concludes that perhaps you shouldn't have. That the love should have died long before they did.

I have to hide the thread. I'm at a tightly balanced extended denial stage, which I'd rather stick at for now. OP if I could reach through the screen and be more than typed words, I would. But what got me through the early days was MN. Those words on the screen were the only place where I felt understood, not judged, not needing to hide, or smudge how I felt. I clung to other posters words the way a drowning person grips onto a lifebuoy. Whatever else you find in terms of resources, this place has a demonstrated capicity to offer extended empathy and support that the outside world doesn't always manage. If some days you feel so alone in a grief that even you don't understand, I found that coming here eased the absolute worst of it.

Golondrina · 07/07/2017 11:17

Brilliant posts by both 665 and online. Very eloquently put about the complicated feelings of being NC with family. My experience is of going NC with a mother who was engulfing emotionally, we had an unhealthy, enmeshed realtionship, all on her terms that went really badly wrong once my life changed (as it does as you grow up and become independent). So, there were many years of love and companionship before NC, warped, enmeshed unhealthy love, but a love all the same. To have that destroyed (because of my mum's inner demons and need for utter control) has been really hard and muddies the waters around my emotions about NC.
MN has been a lifeline to me, it has been the one place outside of counselling where I know I am understood.

twofingerstoEverything · 07/07/2017 11:17

I agree with italian greyhound. A parent you were NC with has died. It is not for any third party to decide whether you should have been 'allowed' to go to the funeral of your mum.

Thinking of you, OP.

twofingerstoEverything · 07/07/2017 11:23

Excellent posts from 665 and online.

Lissette · 07/07/2017 11:57

Yes, excellent posts by 665 and online. Strikes a chord with me. My parents don't get on but haven't divorced. They are aggressive and abusive to one another but if they are going through one of their 'seething' periods, they take it out on me not one another. I only see them once every two years because they live in Australia. On their last visit I called them out on their abuse of me because it was relentless and in full view of my child and so they walked out. I didn't cut contact but they won't apologise or get counselling so now for self preservation I'm not in contact. I love them, they are my parents. I would be very upset if they died. However as people I don't like them or their behaviour. It saddens me to write that but it's true. I don't get my childhood back. No-one goes no contact unless they've reached their limit. We are primed to love our parents.

stolemyusername · 07/07/2017 12:04

My mum dies almost 2 years ago now, we were NC but I was told that she was dying.

I did get in touch, but I didn't actually speak to her (text message) and I live outside of the UK soon couldn't get to her and I wasn't able to attend her funeral. Every day I regret the fact that I didn't pick up the phone and speak to her.

It absolutely floored me in a way I really didn't expect, I mourned the opportunity to put things right, even now it takes my breath away that she's gone and it hits me in waves. Like yours, my mum wasn't the best but she was my mum, she knew how old I was when I walked, what my first words were and she took all of that with her - I feel like I've lost a part of myself and my history.

Heatherjayne1972 · 07/07/2017 12:19

I'm sorry your going through this op Could it be that your grieving for what should have been?
Presumably you had good reasons to go nc. I don't imagine it was an easy decision-
Of course You can still say goodbye in your own way in your own time
(( hugs))

Golondrina · 07/07/2017 12:24

I don't know if I will have the chance to speak to my mum if it comes to it, or if I will want to.

she was my mum, she knew how old I was when I walked, what my first words were and she took all of that with her - I feel like I've lost a part of myself and my history.

Me too, but just through being NC. There are things I don't know, things of mine she probably threw away. it's part of what's hard about being NC with a parent, it's such an enmeshed relationship. But I don't know if there would be any point having a last contact with her on her deathbed, she won't accept she's in the wrong, that she behaved badly, that's the root of our NC, that I can't tolerate her any more and she won't accept that, she can only cast herself as the victim of me. So, if she keeps that up, what's the point of contact? It would solve nothing, just rehash old wounds.

PossumInAPearTree · 07/07/2017 12:25

I'm NC with my mum as is my brother. No other relatives. I have no idea if i will find out if she dies, possibly not. I wouldnt go to her funeral anyway. But I am worried a bit how I will feel if i am told.

Golondrina · 07/07/2017 12:26

I actually dread geting the "come see me on my deathbed" call. I don't think I'll want to. I think in some ways I'd prefer not to hear until after, although I am aware I'll probably find that equally hard in different ways. I don't know how I'll feel about any of it.

stolemyusername · 07/07/2017 12:29

Golondrina it's such a shit situation to be in isn't it? We're dammed either way I think.

I beat myself up repeatedly about being NC with her, my final reason for cutting contact was petty but it was a cumulation of many events, even so I can't understand how we got there. I know she loved me (in her own way), but she also hurt me and that was the only defence mechanism I had. I almost wish we could've hated each other, or just simply felt nothing.

mogratpineapple · 07/07/2017 12:57

Feelings can be confusing. My dad died after 12 years of NC. I did know about it more or less straight away, but I felt very weird, there were tears and I don't know why. Maybe the finality of it, no more can be done, I don't know. I was in shock for a while, I guess. As I said, feelings can be confusing.

houseinamess · 07/07/2017 13:00

I was NC with both parents for three years at one point , and if either of them died during that time, I would have been devastated. As it was, my siblings didn't really keep in touch with me either, or want to understand why I had felt driven to do it. It wasn't that i didn't love them or care about them, I just couldn't keep absorbing the toxicity they dished out any longer. I can completely understand the mixed feelings and anguish of knowing there will never be another chance.

ginloverwholovesgin · 07/07/2017 13:38

Sorry you're feeling like this but unfortunately that's what comes with NC. I have been NC with my mum since I was 14 (well over 20 years ago) her choice. She also went NC with the rest of the family including her own parents.
This now means that she missed both her parents funerals (we don't even know if she knows they've passed on) and has no idea she a grandmother to my DC. My grandparents (her parents) didn't want her finding out they were ill because they couldn't deal with the stress that it would cause them emotionally if she tried to regain contact. When you're at the end of your life, it's hard enough to accept what's happening to yourself and sometimes you just cannot deal with the additional pressure of reuniting with family that actually wanted nothing to do with you for years and years.
This may have been the reason you weren't told. Maybe your mum just couldn't deal with it prior to her death.
Whatever has happened, you have still lost your mother and you will go through the grieving process. Be kind to yourself, and allow yourself to process the grief. Some days will be good, then other times it will suddenly catch you out.
I think NC is really complicated, some days I'd love to try and find my mother but nobody knows where she is, I've researched online and done other things to no avail. My next option is a private investigator but I'm not sure I ready to take that leap - she obviously doesn't want to be found.

PossumInAPearTree · 07/07/2017 14:01

Yes i suppose while she's still alive there's a faint chance my mum may see the error of her ways and become a reformed chatacter

Deep down i would welcome that.

Once she's dead there's no more hope that i could ever have a relationship with her.

DailyMailDontStealMyThread · 07/07/2017 17:30

Thank you for all the replies especially 665 and online I managed to go to work and I've not cried. As some have said, it is grief for the parent not the person and hopefully as online wrote I have grieved for her at nc point.

I'm not interested in the will, contesting will bring my cousin to our door and I don't want that. I also want nothing of my mothers money wise, we have built everything without her help and will continue to do so. Sad that there would have been my childhood belongings in the house which presumably have been thrown away.

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Golondrina · 07/07/2017 17:35

The childhood belongings is difficult. I can sympathize with that to an extent. I stopped speaking to mine and then she emigrated and I have no idea what she took or threw away or just abandoned. She took very little, sold the house fully furnished, so who knows what has been lost forever. I suppose I'll find out eventually at least.

Lexieblue · 07/07/2017 17:36

I'm glad you've shared this OP. I was NC with my mum aged 6 to 20 (her choice). Ive made a couple of attempts to heal the situation over the past 10 plus years but she is a complete stranger to me, she only knows me as a 6 year old and I don't know her at all. I often worry about the future. She has a much older partner and no other family. I worry if she became unwell I would be technically her next of kin. I worry people will think I'm completely heartless because there's no feelings there;I'm not even angry anymore. Just detached.
I also quite selfishly worry that I might be expected to make plans for her care etc
And of course the situation you are experiencing now, will I be told when she has died and how will I feel about it?

I don't really have much advice but just wanted to reach out as someone in a similar scenario and say I hope you're ok and you get the support you need to process what has happened Flowers

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