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I'm leaving him.

542 replies

BitOfANameChange · 24/06/2017 10:30

I've named changed for this; he knows I use MN, although he probably doesn't follow me online.

After 30 years, I've had enough. It's all low level controlling and abusive stuff, which he would certainly deny is abusive. He can be nice at times, especially in public.

But I get treated like a child, told to do this or that. Since the moment I got pregnant I found myself effectively doing all the chores. He'll find some way, all the time, of making an excuse whey he shouldn't be doing them. In particular, his excuse when I was part time for the sake of the children (despite my job at the time being the higher earning potential) was that I had "more time".

I've been reading this board for a long time, and had a slow realisation that a lot of the things described here apply to me in some way. I do come from a dysfunctional family, but they aren't nasty parents, just clueless from their dysfunctions. They love me and my DB dearly, and are loaning me the money to set up in a rental property with the DCs. It's probably no coincidence that DB has also recently come out of an abusive relationship.

'D'P and I never married. He'd divorced his wife when I met him, quite young, and I know now the flags I should have spotted then; badmouthing the ex (who I actually get on well with), the maninuplation by hinting at suicide a couple of times, the depression that somehow allows hime to be an arsehole, etc.

So as we aren't married, the house is in his name, but I ended up being pressured into paying off a chuck of the mortgage with my redundancy payment, "to reduce our costs until you get another job". But he never cut down his mortgage overpayments, cleared the morgage and is now building up his savings, while I have no savings having paid his morgage. I do work now, FT.

The DCs and I walk on eggshells wondering about what mood he'll be in on getting home. Never actually been physically abusive, though. But the incident that started me thinking about the relationship and it's effect on the DCs was late last year, when DC1 and I were in the kitchen with him, and he told her to stop "screaming". She wasn't but her voice can get high when she's excited. She spoke again in that high voice and he yelled at her. She scuttled to the other end of the kitchen before i could intervene and he grabbed her arm hard enough to leave a mark. She's scared of hime now, with good reason. Since then, there's been a little edge of aggression towards her which he doesn't show to our DS. She has bad anxiety and mild depression (been to a doctor) and DS is showing the signs of following suit.

I've always been a comfort eater, and looking back I can see living with him has always raised my stress levels. I'm obese, but instead of being supportive I get constant fat digs from him, including during sex, and he wonders why my libido is dropping. I'm making modifications to my diet and have recently increased my activity levels significantly. I feel better for that.

There are other factors as well, influencing my decision, but going into them could out me.

I realised how much of a crap person he is, and secretly started planning an exit. I've never rented before having straight from parents into his house. But I'm using some of the info gleaned from you lovely people and my application for a little house for me and DCs is progressing well.

I have a cousin with some housing experience, who has given me the name of a good local solitor, so I'm hoping I can get back the money I paid into the house (I do have paper trail). I'm going to be scanning his financial documents when he's out, and saving them to my cloud storage.

I can't talk to him to try and repair this. He'd simply deny abuse, and try to twist it all that it's my fault. Like DD, I'm a little scared of him now.

Sorry, this must seem quite a ramble, but I guess it's because I am finally letting it all out. I'm not expecting anyone to reply, but it's helping me to set it down.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 16/09/2017 22:05
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AcrossthePond55 · 16/09/2017 22:09

Then honestly, I think your dad needs to step away, too. Your ex knows that he is a conduit directly to you. That doesn't do any of you any good.

Your ex will need to find his own support. If he's cut everyone out of his life other than you, in and of itself that is manipulative. It's just another way of making you feel that 'you are all he has'. Both you and your dad need to block his calls. So do the DCs. He may not be an addict, but you are enabling his manipulative behaviour.

I speak as the sister of an alcoholic. After his off the rails behaviour became too much, I (his only family contact) told my brother that I would no longer see or speak to him until he was sober. When I told him, I was fully prepared for it to be the last time I spoke to him and I actually contacted a funeral home and made 'pre-need' arrangements. But it was the wake up call he needed. He ended up being admitted to a locked facility. He went though 3 weeks of hell, but he says it was worth it, every minute.

As much of a prick as your ex is, he 'deserves' a chance for redemption and change. But he has to make it happen for himself, on his own.

whitehandledkitchenknife · 16/09/2017 22:17

Bit you are a kind, empathic woman, who has endured decades of unkindness from this man. Do not be drawn into his drama. You have given and given to him. He abused your trust, your hopes, your dreams. He has finally been called out on all his appalling actions and he doesn't like it. Without wanting to make light of this dreadful behaviour, he is having the mother and father of tantrums - "See, See! See what you have made me do!" Don't fall for it.
Block his number. Ask your Dad to field any communication. Flowers

BitOfANameChange · 16/09/2017 22:35

I think his request to see the DCs was a way to try and get me there too. But when the time is right and the DCs are ready to see him, I will not be there. They deserve a dad who gives them attention, not uses them.

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Dowser · 16/09/2017 22:51

Just read this thread. First I've seen it.
Hello awesome woman.
He's lost more than he'll ever gain.
48... you've got your whole life ahead of you.

The driving chimed with me. I'd forgotten that. Yes at times me exh would drive far too fast for my comfort.
Another way of inserting their influence I suppose.

Well done on what you've achieved.
I was 56 when I met my new dh and am so much happier now...and you don't even have to go through a divorce.
Well done on leaving a paper trail re the mortgage.

Hope you're having a peaceful weekend

Dowser · 16/09/2017 22:55

Inserting, I meant asserting. I'm tired...Tim for bed before I get over tired 😀

BitOfANameChange · 16/09/2017 23:34

DD's got a couple of wardrobes now, second hand. Just need a clean and some fresh paper to line the cupboards that are the top part. She won't need drawers, one of them is split into one side a rail and the other shelves, so she's planning a couple of baskets to hold stuff that is small and can't be hung.

I want her to concentrate on the college work now. She can fill the wardrobes by going through her stuff a bit at a time. It really isn't going to matter if it isn't done right away.

I need one, possibly two, small cupboards downstairs to store stuff. We still have a pile of things with nowhere to store them, but it feels like a home now and the DCs are happier.

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Groovee · 16/09/2017 23:42

I'd lost this thread.

You have come so far. I believe you may need to cut the strings with regards to your ex. He's manipulating you with the suicide. Let the kids deal directly with him. You are right, they deserve a dad who wants them.

Take care x

SandyY2K · 16/09/2017 23:52

I agree that your dad should block him.

kaitlinktm · 17/09/2017 10:19

I agree with Sandy that your Dad should now cut ties with him - and block him. Surely, as your Dad, his loyalties should be to you and to his grandchildren.

Groovee · 20/09/2017 06:44

Hoping things have settled down for you x

Before · 20/09/2017 07:40

He is going through a tough time. tell him to see his GP no need to block him just stay strong. He is still the children's Dad.

AcrossthePond55 · 20/09/2017 18:32

have you RTFT, Before? This man is harassing the OP and causing distress to his children and FiL. Of course they should block him!

The OP can carry this man no longer. She needs to think of her own well-being and that of her children. He needs to seek out and get help on his own. Sometimes it's the only way.

Just because someone is 'the children's dad', that doesn't mean you need to put yourself in danger or sacrifice your own life and MH.

BitOfANameChange · 20/09/2017 19:32

It's not been a good week. DD's anxiety came back with a vengence, and she can't do college. She had a sobbing full on breakdown.

I'm emailing the course leader to find out what options we have for DD. Also to see if she can access counselling, as the GPs don't do it for under-18s as most kids can access it through colleges/schools. She won't be referred to CAMHS unless she's self harming.

This has hit me hard. I'm so worried for DD, just when she seemed to be turning a corner, she seemed happy with college last week (albeit with a couple of milder panic attacks). She came so far since we left. She's told me she's terrified of being among people right now, can only be with a very few family.

In turn, this has triggered my own anxiety, so there's absolutely no chance I have anything left for Ex, even if I wanted to right now. I can't take time off work, as I don't have enought time left and can't afford unpaid leave. DD might be able to access the counselling for over 18s, the doctor has said he'll support it, but there's no guarantee.

I'm sure we'll get through this, but right now I'm struggling to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Once I've had information from the college, and once we can formulate a plan to help DD, I will be able to relax, but it's the not knowing what we'll do that is causing the stress.

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BitOfANameChange · 20/09/2017 19:34

Oh, and Before, Ex has seen a GP, has in fact had a couple of ambulances, etc. He's got medical attention already. I have nothing left for him, I need it for the DCs.

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Before · 20/09/2017 21:58

Ex is no longer your responsibility you have to concentrate on DC's and yourself. Many areas have got youth counselling agencies often funded by local authorities and others and sometimes up to 25 years. DD is able to let her emotions out now because it is safe so it's not surprising she is struggling with them and you too. Thank goodness though; it is healthy to let these emotions come out and to find new ways of coping without having to hold it all in because of the Ex. You are going through the normal aftermath of being in such an unhealthy relationship.

Before · 20/09/2017 22:09

"Across" I am not suggesting the OP takes responsibility for Ex. or that she puts herself in danger or sacrifices her own life and MH. Just that its not necessary to block him. It is likely there will be some contact because of him being the DC's Dad. She does not have to respond to messages unless she chooses to do so. She does recognise they may have contact with him in the future.

AcrossthePond55 · 21/09/2017 00:36

Before did you even read the OP's 2 last posts?

Her child is being affected in a negative way by her father's behaviour. So is OP. Why should they subject themselves to further abuse and manipulation?

Why should she even have to read his messages? The pain is in reading them, not in responding to them! Why should the DC have to read messages that are upsetting to them, to the point where DD cannot do her schooling? No, he should be blocked. If he has anything to say, let him say it through legal counsel or an independent third party, like a mediator or a rational family member. Once he has a grip on himself, once he's learnt that OP will not be manipulated, once things are set out legally then perhaps the OP can unblock him.

rizlett · 21/09/2017 05:38

I'm sorry things are so difficult for you and your dc at the moment op.

I think it's normal for all the past upheaval to be affecting your dd this way. That at times she will be coping and at other times she will be struggling. Perhaps it's a bit like when you experience a physical accident and you just get on with coping with it until you reach a place of safety - only then do all the resultant emotions come out.

I hope she finds access to support. Remember you have been amazing to deal with all this and she has you right by her side.

Groovee · 21/09/2017 09:17

Sorry to hear things have been hard. There will be bumps in the road as you journey along. Try to take some time with Dd and Ds to just chat about how they feel. Hopefully you can get her some help.

micropig · 21/09/2017 09:23

Bitofa just read the full thread and firstly I wanted to say well done, you've done amazing.

About your DD, if she is struggling with being around other people then maybe it might be worth looking into her doing an Open University course? You pay module by module (and this can be paid up in monthly instalments) and it might help get to get into studying with a huge amount of online support, before going to a brick uni. A lot of people on the course have local meet ups and study groups so chances are if she wanted she could meet to study with others, and she could always do a couple of modules with the OU then start at a brick college/uni when she gets her confidence back (as it's transferable, she'd be able to start in a later year). They also do access courses which are smaller and easier, which would be perfect for giving it a try with little pressure.

I can't say much for resources for accessing counselling but hopefully someone on here will have some suggestions. It sounds like you could all do with some initially. You are doing a great job though!

Apileofballyhoo · 22/09/2017 13:02

It's not unusual for you and DD to be having crashes now a little bit after the initial relief of the escape. Your emotions are bound to be all over the place. I hope you can get the counselling sorted.

I was quickly re-reading your thread and you mentioned being a procrastinator... I think when someone is under severe stress and suffering chronic anxiety doing nothing often becomes the default option. I was glad to see you saying you are very organised in a later post, as it seems much more you. You don't seem very procrastinatey to me in recent months!

Also, and this might sound harsh, I suspect XP would find a way to end his life if he really wanted to, and I would see 'attempts' as attempts to manipulate you. I think I'd be suggesting NC to my DD and possibly supervised to my DS. XP sounds very dangerous.

BitOfANameChange · 22/09/2017 13:22

I've been in touch with the college, and there is light at the end of DD's tunnel. We will have options (and counselling). Without outing us, DD is taking a course that is classroom centric/hands on, and not suitable for home study.

I'm sure we'll get through this. The college said they've supported others with similar conditions back into learning.

And yes, I am a procrastinator. Forcing myself to be organised, notebooks, etc is one of my tricks to reduce the time I waste procrastinating. And it's always the stuff I don't want to deal with that gets left.

DD mentioned last night she wonders if her latest episode is down to the fact that for her, everything has changed, new home, life, college, all at the same time. Whereas for DS and I, he's still at the same school and I'm still in the same job. Hopefully DD being able to see some insights for herself will aid her recovery.

And thank you all, just knowing people are replying, etc, just makes me feel less alone right now, even though I've got RL support. Every little helps.....

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micropig · 22/09/2017 23:13

That's great about the college offering support for your DD. So glad to hear that's getting sorted out. Stay strong, you're all doing great!

Groovee · 26/09/2017 06:19

Hoping things went ok for you all over the weekend x