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I'm leaving him.

542 replies

BitOfANameChange · 24/06/2017 10:30

I've named changed for this; he knows I use MN, although he probably doesn't follow me online.

After 30 years, I've had enough. It's all low level controlling and abusive stuff, which he would certainly deny is abusive. He can be nice at times, especially in public.

But I get treated like a child, told to do this or that. Since the moment I got pregnant I found myself effectively doing all the chores. He'll find some way, all the time, of making an excuse whey he shouldn't be doing them. In particular, his excuse when I was part time for the sake of the children (despite my job at the time being the higher earning potential) was that I had "more time".

I've been reading this board for a long time, and had a slow realisation that a lot of the things described here apply to me in some way. I do come from a dysfunctional family, but they aren't nasty parents, just clueless from their dysfunctions. They love me and my DB dearly, and are loaning me the money to set up in a rental property with the DCs. It's probably no coincidence that DB has also recently come out of an abusive relationship.

'D'P and I never married. He'd divorced his wife when I met him, quite young, and I know now the flags I should have spotted then; badmouthing the ex (who I actually get on well with), the maninuplation by hinting at suicide a couple of times, the depression that somehow allows hime to be an arsehole, etc.

So as we aren't married, the house is in his name, but I ended up being pressured into paying off a chuck of the mortgage with my redundancy payment, "to reduce our costs until you get another job". But he never cut down his mortgage overpayments, cleared the morgage and is now building up his savings, while I have no savings having paid his morgage. I do work now, FT.

The DCs and I walk on eggshells wondering about what mood he'll be in on getting home. Never actually been physically abusive, though. But the incident that started me thinking about the relationship and it's effect on the DCs was late last year, when DC1 and I were in the kitchen with him, and he told her to stop "screaming". She wasn't but her voice can get high when she's excited. She spoke again in that high voice and he yelled at her. She scuttled to the other end of the kitchen before i could intervene and he grabbed her arm hard enough to leave a mark. She's scared of hime now, with good reason. Since then, there's been a little edge of aggression towards her which he doesn't show to our DS. She has bad anxiety and mild depression (been to a doctor) and DS is showing the signs of following suit.

I've always been a comfort eater, and looking back I can see living with him has always raised my stress levels. I'm obese, but instead of being supportive I get constant fat digs from him, including during sex, and he wonders why my libido is dropping. I'm making modifications to my diet and have recently increased my activity levels significantly. I feel better for that.

There are other factors as well, influencing my decision, but going into them could out me.

I realised how much of a crap person he is, and secretly started planning an exit. I've never rented before having straight from parents into his house. But I'm using some of the info gleaned from you lovely people and my application for a little house for me and DCs is progressing well.

I have a cousin with some housing experience, who has given me the name of a good local solitor, so I'm hoping I can get back the money I paid into the house (I do have paper trail). I'm going to be scanning his financial documents when he's out, and saving them to my cloud storage.

I can't talk to him to try and repair this. He'd simply deny abuse, and try to twist it all that it's my fault. Like DD, I'm a little scared of him now.

Sorry, this must seem quite a ramble, but I guess it's because I am finally letting it all out. I'm not expecting anyone to reply, but it's helping me to set it down.

OP posts:
rizlett · 22/08/2017 14:25

Very sorry op - I've posted on the wrong thread. Flowers

BitOfANameChange · 22/08/2017 21:30

@rizlett no worries Smile I actually think your advice might help at one or two points anyway, I've used that tecnique myself when the DCs have done something.......

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BitOfANameChange · 25/08/2017 20:29

Small update. I've been and sorted out Universal Credit (seems we were among the first areas, oh joy).

I am meeting Ex tomorrow, with the DCs. He asked to meet them, and DCs and I have decided we are going to use this as a step towards building better relationships. I am now certain I can't go back, and funny enough I actually have lost my fear of him.

I had a good think about this today, and feel that now I have a place that is mine, I feel secure on my own. He has no power over me any more. I have been told more than once that I can be ruthless at times but that my low self esteem gets in the way. I think I'm beginning to see why people have thought that.

This last 3 weeks of being alone has been good for me. I've got tears out the way, and certainly feel calmer, sleeping better when I can put my books down. I have a long way to go, but I have taken comfort in the knowledge that I proved to myself I can do so much more than I ever thought I was capable of.

I went through all the paperwork I brought with me, my stuff accumulated over years. I was determined to only keep the necessary stuff, and got rid of 8 bin bags full of crap, old paperwork, etc. I only need a little cupboard to keep things in now, and I'm planning to scan my payslips and shred, to save even more room. I prefer minimal, I was accused of being the hoarder, but It's not me, never was.

If you got this far with me, I appreciate it. I know I needed your handholds, even if I do manage to come across as being all together. I may need to come back and rant at some point, especially once the money stuff gets going, but this place is a release.

You might not see me under this name again there is a clue here somewhere but if I'm in a position to help someone in turn, I'll certainly be back. Thanks

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SandyY2K · 25/08/2017 20:37

Great to hear from you again. You've done great and I hope he and the children can have a good relationship.

It's great that you have overcome your fear of him.

WitchDancer · 25/08/2017 20:42

You are a very strong person, which doesn't make you ruthless. I admire you tremendously and am cheering you on from the sidelines here.

Before · 25/08/2017 23:06

Well done OP keep strong

longingforalife · 25/08/2017 23:45

OP
Having just found and read your thread can I just say
Yay!
I am now wiping the odd tear from my cheeks.
I just want this to be me in 3 or 4 months time.
Why are these sorts of men arseholes in such similar ways?

best wishes for future peace and lightness of being
and of being yourselves

Before · 26/08/2017 05:30

Longingforalife Keep safe and on track

BitOfANameChange · 26/08/2017 08:05

longingforalife Thanks

If it's necessary, it can be done. It was scary, and my stress levels on the day went through the roof. But you can do it.

I am an organised sort by nature, but I found having a notebook (hidden at work) where I had a page for what I needed to do/arrange (such as meter readings), a page for furniture, grouped in order of importance (eg beds and a dining table and chairs being top of my list), and a list of where I need to change address (still going through that, did the essential ones first).

One thing I found that helped, is that when Ex and I moved into the house ten years ago, I made a massive effort to move stuff online to reduce post actually coming to the house, which makes it easier to sort stuff now.

Another thing I found helpful, and still do, is having some small crafty thing to hand that's easily portable. I'm a fidget (which confuses people given that I'm so overweight), and having something like crochet to do actually relaxes the fidgetting and really calms me down. I even took up french knitting with a small dolly for a few days. Not sure what I'll do with the long cord that resulted, but maybe a cord to hang bunting....

Next step - I need to ask the doctor for HRT Grin I have the heating off, a window open right next to me and I'm hot flushing in waves Confused

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Kr1stina · 26/08/2017 09:32

I've followed your thread from the beginning and just want to say how inspiring it is. You are a brave and resourceful woman.

You don't say exactly how old your children are ( I know you want to be vague ) but I'm guessing they are around 15 and 17 . In that case they are young adults and I think you need to leave it up to them how much they want a relationship with their father. They need to do it in their own time If that's what they want.

You know that he is manipulative and controlling and he won't be different person now just because he's left. He'll just change his methods.

Just as he's done the fake suicide stuff on you, he will do it will the children, I guarantee it. He will use them to get at you.

He will interrogate them about your ( non existent ) new man. Because you must have one, no one would leave such a wonderful man as him unless their head had been turned, right ?

I'm concerned that your children both have mental health problems because of him and they shouldn't be guilt tripped into doing what is best for him rather than what's best for themselves.

Kr1stina · 26/08/2017 09:39

Can I also make a practical suggestion ? Lots of people have found that taking up a sport helps with anxiety / depression and menopausal symptoms and I know that you are trying to lose weigh . Is there something that you and the kids could do together ?

What about swimming - sometimes the council pools are free for students /school kids ?

Some GPs can prescribe an exercise programme with free classes.

Or a run / walk programme like C25K and then do your local parkrun ( all free ) ?

There are sometimes womens ' start running ' groups at sports centres. Or low cost classes.

Just a thought. Hope you don't mind the suggestions.

BitOfANameChange · 26/08/2017 18:09

Kr1stina I'm walking more, and sorting a few things out to increase my activity levels, sorting out food now I'm settling in, to have meal planning and packed lunches sorted, so your suggestions are taken in the spirit intended Thanks

The meet up went as well as I hoped, it was all civil, if somewhat emotional (mostly him). I've agreed with the kids seeing him for a meal on Monday, but I'm 99.9% certain I can't resume a relationship with him, even if we start all over again. That will hurt him, I know, but really, it's not my responsibility now to make him happy. I can't just submerge my own feelings, they matter too.

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Kr1stina · 27/08/2017 08:48

it's not my responsibility now to make him happy. I can't just submerge my own feelings, they matter too

Very wise words.

Glad the meeting went ok and that he continues to behave reasonably with this kids. I hope they know that they don't have to take any abuse from him, as you are modelling that for them.

Well done on the healthy eating / exercise thing, as you probably know it really helps the self esteem, moods and energy levels as well as the waistline ( says the woman still blaming baby fat when my baby is is school Grin ) .

juneau · 30/08/2017 08:13

Delighted to read your update OP. I'm glad the meeting went well and that it didn't shake your resolve at all. It sounds like the time you've already spent away from your ex-P has been very healing and constructive and I'm glad you've been and sorted out your benefit entitlements. It's all progress in your new, independent life.

BitOfANameChange · 09/09/2017 15:47

I'm back for a bit of a rant.

He wanted the meal on that Monday to see the kids. So he said. Instead it turned into him trying and trying to pressure me into discussing the split. And trying to get me to tell him why.

I eventually agreed to send an email, but I did stall as quite frankly I didn't really see the point. The following weekend I got a text along the lines of "so I don't figure in your plans this weekend, then". I ignored that, only to find he'd then phoned my dad trying to pressure him into pressing me to talk with him.

I finally sent a warts and all email, giving some specific examples, keeping as unemotional and factual as I could and making it clear it was the tip of the iceberg.

So he sends a message that included a comment about not responding to the untruths I wrote, and I was so pissed off with that. As I predicted, he couldn't even allow me to own my feelings, that I just had to be wrong. But I didn't respond. I found it interesting that he finally wrote that he'd give me all the time and space I needed for my new life that didn't include him.

Good, I thought. But no, he phoned my dad again after that email, begging him to get me to agree to meet Ex, with someone to mediate if I wished, to talk it all through.

I have so far not responded. I am thinking of leaving it a while, then thanking him for his reply and that a meeting would not be happening. I don't see the point. Other than for him to try to keep asserting dominance over me. Everything so far has been about him. I am not going to play his game.

The DCs have mixed feelings about him, but the oldest has said that if he wants any meetings in future with them, I will not be part of it. Which was the same suggestion I was going to make to them. DC1 said that it felt like he'd asked to see them to get me to meet too. And that's not happening in future.

Right, I've got that out, so time to get on with some of my craft stuff. I am so done with him.

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rizlett · 09/09/2017 16:13

Well done Bit to be able to really see the truth in what is going on with your ex.

No wonder we get pulled back in all the time. I think he is never going to get it. He will always say there was something wrong with you when actually the opposite is true.

You are amazing.

kaitlinktm · 09/09/2017 18:53

If he won't allow you to say how you feel or won't accept that your feelings are valid when you do state them, what is the point of meeting? It would be just like the married life you have so bravely walked out of. I think you are right to allow the DC to meet him independently - just keep a close eye on how they are afterwards, especially your DD.

juneau · 09/09/2017 19:18

In all honesty OP would go NC. I know its somewhat of a MN cliche after breaking up with a controlling man, but all contact is doing is opening the door for him to try and continue to control you, to berate you, challenge you on your perception of things, pick holes in what you say, etc, etc. I just don't see what you are gaining from contact with him.

Plus, you asked him NOT to contact you and give you space. Not only is he NOT doing that, he's now taken to harassing your DF! That is so far out of line that I'm feeling angry on your behalf (and I don't even know you!). Your ex is a knob of the highest order. He's a controlling, angry, petulant slob - and he's angry that you're no longer under his control. He's paying a small amount of lip service to respecting your wishes while actually riding rough-shod, as usual, over your requests. He doesn't care what you want. All he cares about is what HE wants. He hasn't changed, nor will he, and that's why I think you should go NC. He's not going to listen to anything you say anyway, so you might as well let your legal actions speak for you.

Before · 09/09/2017 20:32

I do agree with you juneau

BitOfANameChange · 09/09/2017 21:31

I agree NC is the way forward. I'm pretty much on the same wavelength as you guys, and there's just no point for a meeting. I've left, given him some reasons why, and even if he doesn't want to accept them, I'm allowed to leave.

I just do not want to rehash the reasons why, when I'm 99% sure it'll be all about him trying to prove I'm wrong and should therefore give him a chance.

I was doing stuff this morning to support a charity I'm involved with, and I actually dressed up nicely, and wore makeup for the first time in a very long time. He always had a thing about makeup, constantly telling me I wore too much on the rare occasions I did so (yet I actually wear barely anything). Same with DD, she doesn't wear a lot, but he acted like she did.

And I got unexpected compliments. The other ladies were saying stuff like "you look nice". And I felt good, and more confident than in a long time. Got a couple of nights out coming up too. I feel better than ever and looking forward.

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AcrossthePond55 · 09/09/2017 22:32

I agree 100% with going NC. And I think it would be wise for your dad to tell ex to stop contacting him. Frankly, if it were me I'd tell ex that you were my child and that I was 100% in your corner and not inclined to do him any 'favours' whatsoever.

You've said your say, he's 'rebutted it'. His next step will be to turn your statements against you when he's had time to think of hurtful 'counterpoints'.

SandyY2K · 10/09/2017 01:17

He'll never accept he was wrong, but deep within himself, he knows he's at fault. He just won't admit it to you.

He can't believe you wised up and saw him for what he is. So note he realises that finding a woman to put up with that will be a big ask ...... so he'd rather try and get you back.

He realises he's messed up his relationship with the DC as well.... but he won't admit that to you.

Thankfully you don't have to freak with a messy divorce ...and he needs to leave your dad alone FGS.

I think he denied those things for the record'... after all, why would he still be trying to get you back if you'd told untruths. He knows damn well it's all true.

Keep doing what you are and NC. The DC can deal with him directly.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 10/09/2017 04:44

Well done!!!

Have you seen the solicitor yet?

thestamp · 10/09/2017 04:56

Gosh you are a really impressive person op.

So glad you're feeling more confident and that you've some plans to look forward to.

Re replying to him. You needn't, you know. Nowadays if my ex emails me something that I don't NEED to reply to, I just ignore it.

Mumof3dogs · 10/09/2017 07:34

Just read the whole thread and want to say well done to you and your DC for what you have achieved.
I can see some of the behaviour of your DP in my DH which makes me sad .
I know in my heart I need to split from him at some point but it's just too tricky right now . Threads like yours give me some strength and also help with the practicals of how I can do it .