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I'm leaving him.

542 replies

BitOfANameChange · 24/06/2017 10:30

I've named changed for this; he knows I use MN, although he probably doesn't follow me online.

After 30 years, I've had enough. It's all low level controlling and abusive stuff, which he would certainly deny is abusive. He can be nice at times, especially in public.

But I get treated like a child, told to do this or that. Since the moment I got pregnant I found myself effectively doing all the chores. He'll find some way, all the time, of making an excuse whey he shouldn't be doing them. In particular, his excuse when I was part time for the sake of the children (despite my job at the time being the higher earning potential) was that I had "more time".

I've been reading this board for a long time, and had a slow realisation that a lot of the things described here apply to me in some way. I do come from a dysfunctional family, but they aren't nasty parents, just clueless from their dysfunctions. They love me and my DB dearly, and are loaning me the money to set up in a rental property with the DCs. It's probably no coincidence that DB has also recently come out of an abusive relationship.

'D'P and I never married. He'd divorced his wife when I met him, quite young, and I know now the flags I should have spotted then; badmouthing the ex (who I actually get on well with), the maninuplation by hinting at suicide a couple of times, the depression that somehow allows hime to be an arsehole, etc.

So as we aren't married, the house is in his name, but I ended up being pressured into paying off a chuck of the mortgage with my redundancy payment, "to reduce our costs until you get another job". But he never cut down his mortgage overpayments, cleared the morgage and is now building up his savings, while I have no savings having paid his morgage. I do work now, FT.

The DCs and I walk on eggshells wondering about what mood he'll be in on getting home. Never actually been physically abusive, though. But the incident that started me thinking about the relationship and it's effect on the DCs was late last year, when DC1 and I were in the kitchen with him, and he told her to stop "screaming". She wasn't but her voice can get high when she's excited. She spoke again in that high voice and he yelled at her. She scuttled to the other end of the kitchen before i could intervene and he grabbed her arm hard enough to leave a mark. She's scared of hime now, with good reason. Since then, there's been a little edge of aggression towards her which he doesn't show to our DS. She has bad anxiety and mild depression (been to a doctor) and DS is showing the signs of following suit.

I've always been a comfort eater, and looking back I can see living with him has always raised my stress levels. I'm obese, but instead of being supportive I get constant fat digs from him, including during sex, and he wonders why my libido is dropping. I'm making modifications to my diet and have recently increased my activity levels significantly. I feel better for that.

There are other factors as well, influencing my decision, but going into them could out me.

I realised how much of a crap person he is, and secretly started planning an exit. I've never rented before having straight from parents into his house. But I'm using some of the info gleaned from you lovely people and my application for a little house for me and DCs is progressing well.

I have a cousin with some housing experience, who has given me the name of a good local solitor, so I'm hoping I can get back the money I paid into the house (I do have paper trail). I'm going to be scanning his financial documents when he's out, and saving them to my cloud storage.

I can't talk to him to try and repair this. He'd simply deny abuse, and try to twist it all that it's my fault. Like DD, I'm a little scared of him now.

Sorry, this must seem quite a ramble, but I guess it's because I am finally letting it all out. I'm not expecting anyone to reply, but it's helping me to set it down.

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Offred · 18/08/2017 20:07

You are not in control of or to blame for what he chooses to do.

If he has harmed himself to get your attention he is a pathetic father.

Now you have got away from him your children will have a chance to learn skills for dealing with his shit.

Flowers
Haffdonga · 18/08/2017 20:10

I dont think you can assume anything from that Bit. It could mean they found him sitting at home eating beans on toast.

Hope you're ok Flowers

Lozzie12 · 18/08/2017 20:35

I just wanted to say that you have been incredibly brave and an inspiration for you children. Good luck xx

BitOfANameChange · 18/08/2017 21:11

I should add I specifically asked if he were at the house, and they said no but couldn't say where.

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Hidingtonothing · 18/08/2017 22:33

Apologies Bit I lost track of you for a few days, sorry to hear he's still trying to force your attention back to him. I can well imagine how hard it must be but continuing to ^appear^ emotionally detached, even if you don't feel it, is vital just now.

Make no mistake this is all about control and trying to get you back in line so even the tiniest chink in your armour will be all the encouragement he needs to carry on. Harsh though it sounds you need to send the message 'I don't care' loud and clear now, don't give him anything other than the briefest of factual exchanges because any softening, kindness, emotion or concern will just be a green light for him to keep up the pressure.

Absolute stone cold detachment is incredibly hard in the early days, you haven't had time to adjust in your own head to being separate so refusing to get involved in what's happening to him feels utterly alien. It's exactly what you need to portray to him though, complete indifference to him and his problems. Believe it or not it's better for both of you, the sooner he accepts that it's over the easier it will be on him, not that I care but it will also be easier on you, and I do care about that Smile

He's not making this easy but you never thought he would, you're absolutely right about what would happen if you went back though, he would twist everything to be your fault, accept no responsibility himself and you would be back to square one (if not worse) before you knew it.

Stay strong Bit, play things by the book and keep yourself and DC front and centre of your focus because he sure as hell isn't thinking about anyone but himself.

Before · 18/08/2017 23:29

As an encouragement with someone who thinks its all about him don't get too concerned once he learns its not he will eventually give up.
You are being brilliant.

plominoagain · 18/08/2017 23:48

As someone who goes out to do welfare checks in scenarios like this pretty much daily , we always tell people that the subject is safe if they haven't come to any harm , even if they are sitting at home just watching telly , or at the pub . And they won't tell you where he is , purely because they're not allowed to , and would get in a whole load of grief if they did . It doesn't mean anything more than that.

As a rule , we never deliver bad news over the phone . You'd get a visit in person unless there was absolutely no other way to let you know.

hatsoncats · 19/08/2017 05:05

Could you ask the children to block him on their phones so that he can't leave them emotionally damaging messages?
If he is OK, then he will be waiting for your reaction. When that doesn't happen, he may try to manipulate them instead.
What about buying a cheap burner phone just for his messages, tell him only to make calls on that number (block him on all other numbers) and check it (or get someone else to check it) ONLY when you feel ready?

He alone is responsible for his actions. Whatever he does now is down to him. This behaviour is unbelievably manipulative & damaging to all of you. I am so sorry that you are having to deal with this. Your children are indeed fortunate to have you as their mother.

Bbbbbbb · 19/08/2017 06:54

Well done, op.

Give yourselves some time. You don't have to respond to his emails straight away, or indeed even look at them straight away.

Is it worth you and the children going no contact until you've finally settled in?

You are one brave lady, really you are Flowers

rizlett · 19/08/2017 07:38

It can be really difficult coming to terms with 'not knowing' things as in not knowing whats actually happening however accepting that we don't have to know and will often never know is a good skill to have.

Even when we do 'know' it doesn't seem to make much difference sometimes.

Op you are getting really good at making choices to keep you and your dc safe. That's a great skill there too.

BitOfANameChange · 19/08/2017 08:48

Thank you again, it does help to get messages when dealing with something like this. I've never had to deal with anything like this before.

I get what pp like plomino are saying but I'm almost certain he's not in the house, and with a couple of other bits of info I'm thinking he has either hurt himself or had an accident while not concentrating. The kids want a couple of things, so I'm contemplating dropping by this morning as they still have a key.

If he has done something, I don't actually feel any guilt about that, and DBro has been making sure I'm aware about maniplulation.

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rizlett · 19/08/2017 11:58

Keep safe though op - no 'things' are as important to have as you.

Hidingtonothing · 19/08/2017 12:47

Could Dbro come with you if you are going to the house Bit, I don't like the thought of you going alone when you're not 100% sure where he is.

iknowimcoming · 21/08/2017 12:38

Hope all is well with you and the dc Bit Flowers

Before · 21/08/2017 13:02

So glad you have support from DBro

juneau · 21/08/2017 13:22

How are you doing today Bit? Your ex is a master class in manipulation - I'll give him that. Did you go to the house at the weekend? Was he there? I'm glad to hear you sounding resolute to remain 'gone' from his life - good for you. Only two weeks in you are keeping yourself strong and getting legal advice, which is definitely the way to go. What a crummy human being he is. Look after yourself.

BitOfANameChange · 21/08/2017 17:54

I didn't go up to the house in the end. Information received tells me he came home on Saturday. There's been no further contact.

I will be sending an email, about the children only. I'm all for being civil, and if he can now do that, I'll be willing to meet him halfway for the sake of the DCs.

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BitOfANameChange · 21/08/2017 17:55

There are some things I miss. But not at the price of sucking up all the digs and undermining, the feeling of eggshells, etc, etc. I just feel sad today.

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Hidingtonothing · 21/08/2017 18:06

It's going to be a rollercoaster emotions-wise for quite some time Bit, some up days and some crushingly low. But the lows become less frequent and the up days only increase, there will come a day when you realise you haven't felt low for ages and that's when you know you're out the other side.

You knew this was going to be hard but you also know going back would be harder overall, take heart from that. You've done the right thing and are on the right track, stick with it, this is the hard bit but it will get easier Flowers

BitOfANameChange · 21/08/2017 18:12

I think I'll be feeling better once the kids are back in school/college, and into a routine. It's hard for now, but that feeling of pressure has gone. I've always struggled with my weight, I know it's comfort/stress eating, but my appetite is dropping, maybe less stress.

Still waiting for the TV to be set up, so we're watching videos some evenings together, or playing board games. We're planning to maintain at least one night a week where we do something, the 3 of us, besides dinner.

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NotQuiteJustYet · 21/08/2017 20:50

Having only just read the full thread, I didn't want to read and run.

You're an incredible, strong woman. Both of your children will continue to learn important lessons about self-worth and how they deserve to be treated, and what a fantastic role-model they have in you Flowers Wine

Hidingtonothing · 22/08/2017 00:28

Lovely idea to do something together regularly, it's going to be a weird, unsettling time for all of you for a little while so making sure you touch base will be good for all of you.

You're right about routine too, it probably feels like you're in limbo a bit at the moment but once everyone's back to school etc you will all discover a 'new normal' and should start to feel more settled. It all probably feels a bit alien atm but it's amazing how quickly 'new' becomes familiar.

All you can do is ride this bit out, you're doing fantastic Bit Flowers

user1493059174 · 22/08/2017 01:10

You are amazing, just keep on going as you are. You and your children sound so lovely. I am another one who wishes I had the courage to do what you are doing. I have one just like yours - a manipulative, controlling twat!

rizlett · 22/08/2017 06:16

If you do try and talk to him maybe it will help just to tell him you know 'everything' and then just say nothing - wait and wait and wait - leave the silence - leave a gap and see what he tells you.

It may be the best way to find out what's really going on.

lubeybooby · 22/08/2017 14:06

I was where you are now OP and I just wanted to say you have done the right thing. I am 10 years on now and life is amazing. Keep the faith through the hard bits - they will never be harder than what you've already endured.