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He had an affair...breaking out the Ben & Jerry's (2)

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Syc4moreTrees · 24/05/2017 11:05

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/thirty_days_only/2914533-If-hes-having-an-affair?

Not sure if I've managed to create a link to the old thread...someone more tech savvy can maybe help me out a little bit if not?

The old thread closed before i could thank you all again for all the collective wisdom, it's been a very surreal month to say the least, but it's been crazy how much support you can get from a bunch of lovely strangers.

So thanks!! You're all awesome!

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HJBeans · 25/06/2017 22:16

So many congratulations on the safe arrival of sapling, trees - hope despite the newborn wailing you're enjoying getting to know your beautiful boy.

I've been following with nothing useful to say, but latest bunch of posts has made me de-lurk to say:

  1. of course you don't want your boys to be sad and it's heartbreaking to think of them facing so much change at once. But as you'll no doubt know from going from 1 to 2, there are always worries about being replaced by the new baby. And changing houses always feels unsettling. It seems to
    me there's a danger of ascribing too much of their potential sadness to the WH situation and therefore piling even more pressure and responsibility onto your choice about him moving back in. Kids' minds work in ways that are magically and maddeningly different to ours - there's no saying that what's causing you the most distress just now is top of the list for them. Whoever suggested WH take the baby for a while so you can get some 1:1 with your older boys talks sense. I agree with others who have said what they need most is a stable situation to adjust to which is discussed openly and honestly.

  2. josuk's post really touched a nerve for me as it seemed to suggest those people suggesting you maintain some space apart from your WH while you come down from the birth and come to terms with what's happened are being negative. I don't see it that way at all - and I'm often a bit Hmm about the LTB tone of some of these threads. It's not about assuming all men will cheat again or 'punishing' WH for his 'mistake', it's about doing what you need to come to terms with what's happened and decide when and if you want him in your life on your own terms. The suggestion it would be 'easier' for you to have him in your home seems to hugely underplay the damage he's done. While in practical terms maybe there's an upside, how do you deal emotionally with the constant presence of someone who has hurt you so badly while you are so vulnerable?

Others have said it - his actions have ended the relationship as it was. The person you felt you knew, who you married and loved all these years would not do what your WH has done. That person is gone now along with that relationship - anything in the future will be new and built on this new understanding of who he is. So you're in mourning - how is it easier to have the shell of the person you lost walking around in your home essentially impersonating the loving husband you're missing? Sounds like bloody torture to me. And that's not being negative - I really hope you do find you can build something new as it sounds like you love him a lot. But I don't think it's going to be easier (or probably possible) to pretend nothing's changed - for the kids or for you.

Syc4moreTrees · 26/06/2017 00:06

Thanks again for everyone who has taken the time to share their experiences and offer their insights. It's good to have some help to view things a little better.

All the upheaval for the kiddies has come at once, which I literally didn't even think about, new house, they'll be starting new schools, and a new little brother. That's a lot even without dad suddenly not being there. Maybe I was being selfish in pressing ahead with the house etc without considering them more in it. I just want what's best for them above all other things. I've let them down I think.

I'm going to try and get some stuff together for the older boys to maybe start decorating their rooms and things like that. Let them put their little stamp on the house, and I'm going to ask WH to work with me on having the LO in a different part of the house an evening in the week so I can have time with the bigger boys to watch a film or do some drawing and stuff, and then another night WH can take them out to the park or to kick the ball around.

I'm going to try and set my mind into work mode and work out a little strategy. I think for now the spare room needs to stay spare, I want to be fair on the boys but I am probably a bit over emotional at the minute and playing at happy families isn't really going to help.

It's just so much going on. He is still seeing the counsellor and I think I might look at trying to do the same, but obviously again the timing isn't ideal.

He says his friend didn't share the picture with anyone, just showed his wife, but that people on the game did know I had had the baby, and OW is playing there, but not in their little gang thing. He wants to maintain his friendship with this guy, but has cut everything else out. He also said if it bothers me he will stop right away. He's back to the he'll do anything kind of speeches but neither of us know what that means.
I don't know what I expect him to do to atone. He can't unshag her or unshare himself or our lives with her, so I don't know.

How do you uncrack the egg?

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MsPavlichenko · 26/06/2017 00:37

He cab break all contact with that "gang". It is entirely reasonable for you to expect him too. It will reassure you, and might help him pull his head out of his arse and face reality.

IMO, the explanation re who/how knows what re baba is very suspect, but fair enough give him the benefit of the doubt.

What I was trying to point to earlier, is that you both need space to process what he has done. You are still operating as a unit trying to sort it out, which as I said is unsurprising in the circumstances. And I am not saying you don't have a future together.

Are you really happy for contact with this "friend" and by default his wife to be involved in a group with the OW ?I wouldn't be.

You have indicated that your conversations are now going round in circles. So, have a break. He can be involved with DC, support you without this at the moment.

But pleas, stand up for yourself. Think about boundaries, what you need, and don't be scared of letting him know. You have nothing to lose by doing so.

MsPavlichenko · 26/06/2017 00:39

Fundamentally, it's not what he says. It's what he does. Ask him to do something re the fuck up. Ask him to stop saying sorry. Ask him to stop all contact with anyone involved in the friendship group.

WatchingFromTheWings · 26/06/2017 00:51

I've let them down I think.

YOU have done no such thing! Their father, however, has.

I agree with painting their rooms. It was the first thing I did with my kids when I separated from my ExH. Get them as involved as possible! My DC are older than yours but chose everything from colours to accessories.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 26/06/2017 07:58

Well first of all, you haven't let your boys down at all, you've been amazingly strong and generous and kind in immensely difficult circumstances. But now the immediate upheavals are over, you all need time to get used to your new lives. You can't offer them certainty just yet but children like predictability so agree a routine with WH that allows you each to spend time with them without playing happy families.

Regarding the gaming friends, his attempt to solve the problem of how to maintain his friendships with them while cutting out the other woman demonstrably hasn't worked and it is completely reasonable for you to ask him to cut contact completely. You cannot move forward while she is a presence in your lives and they are facilitating that, even if not maliciously. No contact has to mean just that, neither direct nor indirect, and right now she is still a massively intrusive presence. FWIW I'd suggest new email addresses too so she can't keep harassing you.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 26/06/2017 09:16

And like MsP says, you can't fix this as a unit because at the moment you have conflicting interests.
All of us would rather our mistakes were forgotten than faced up to, and so WH's instinct is to lie, minimise and hope that if he keeps saying sorry it will be swept under the carpet, and he's going to continue with that strategy until he sees it's not working. You need the truth of what happened and why, and only then will you be able to decide if you can get past it and start working with him on something new. It will take time and a bit of distance for you to get to the same page.

InLovewithaGermanFilmStar · 26/06/2017 09:21

which I literally didn't even think about, new house, they'll be starting new schools, and a new little brother. [...]Maybe I was being selfish in pressing ahead with the house etc without considering them more in it. [...] I've let them down I think

Trees you're taking a lot of the responsibility on yourself here. And you talk about "sadness."

I know that it's difficult to be angry for you at the moment (milk supply & all that!), so let me be furious on your behalf! You have done nothing wrong - you have been precipitated into this by your WH becoming completely thoughtless and selfish. I am just gasping at the results of his selfishness.

And he can't seem to see what he needs to do, which concerns me even more.

Maybe I'm projecting: I'm in late middle-age now, but like another poster upthread, my parent's marriage was full of contrasts - lots of children, presumably "perfect" normal nuclear family, very family-oriented, picture-postcard white fence, SAHM, etc etc etc.

But as I was in my late teens it all exploded. My father had a brief affair while my mother was away. They didn't separate - there were lots of children, from 7 to 16 years old. And my mother assumed
that my father would have been a dick about money - in those days, divorce settlements were still very judgemental towards women.

But what also became clear was that my father had been looking away from his family - from the family he wanted & created - since I was around 18 months old. If not sexual affairs, he'd been having what I guess we'd nowadays call "emotional affairs" since my parents married. He saw it as having friends and a "life" outside the family, but to my mother, it was a kind of betrayal of the family, and left her to deal with the intensity of family life: looking to a brood of children's physical, material & emotional needs.

My father just kept on checking out of family life. I have sadly come to realise just how this has damaged me. For all the affluence & stability I was raised with (a very comfortable background actually), my deep gut feeling about relationships is panic and bitterness. Because that is what I clearly absorbed (almost with my mother's milk!) from the family dynamic.

Of course, both my parents were weak and damaged people themselves, because of world events. They both lost close family members in the war, and lived in precarious times in that respect.

But the idea of staying together for the stability can be an illusion. It ultimately was in my parents' case. Whether it is in yours is yet to be seen, but as someone says upthread, children pick up stuff.

I could just be massively projecting, so please, take what you need from my POV. And if it makes you respond "I'm not like that!" and reject what I say - well, that also tells you something important.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 26/06/2017 09:35

Is WH talking to his in-person friends about what's happened? Imagine that would be much less comfortable for him than the chums he's built up a fantasy life with.

Mellifera · 26/06/2017 09:45

Trees, you have not let your boys down, please do not think that for a minute. You didn't shag someone you met online and met up several times while your husband was at home looking after the kids.

I strongly agree with the posters who say you should not make any decision right now.

Your first instinct was to have space, get away, have your own house and your nest. Without him. You really need the space to be able to take time and get a clear idea of what you want.

Anything you do now will be overshadowed by other needs and the only thing that should matter is what you feel about him.

He has still not taken on responsibility if he asks YOU if he should finish contact with his online mates. Why on earth does he put that decision on your plate?
He should be the one realising what to do to rebuild your trust in him. He should not be standing there asking you what he should do.

It feels all the wrong way round.

You seeing a (good) counsellor is a good idea. It might help you clear the fog.

All the best to you and your saplings.

SimonsPies · 26/06/2017 11:18

I can't understand why he hasn't cut all ties with the Internet game group of his own accord. Instead he keeps asking you what YOU want him to do. How shallow is he then he can't see what is the right thing to do and just fucking do it?

XJerseyGirlX · 26/06/2017 13:51

Oh Trees, some of your updates sound like your blaming yourself for the kids upheaval. Its not your fault, Its Wh's fault- you have every right to dump a miserable cheating bastard like that.

I think you have been amazing, in every step

x

FluffyWhiteTowels · 26/06/2017 14:10

Oh Trees. You have nothing to bring sadness to your boys. WH has done everything to bring sadness to your boys and to you.

A new home and new addition to the family is exciting. Accepted it could have been so so much more exciting. Admittedly if WH hadn't betrayed you all and been so utterly consistently deceitful you would have had more help and a lovely feeling of all of you bonding.

But none of this is your doing. You have been so compassionate. Constantly thinking of everyone else, seeing all angles to the scenarios. So calm.

She's either a boiler bunny or WH needs to explain in single syllables to her.

I can understand thinking of having WH stay in spare room. You must still have the dream in your head of when you decided to move in time for baby's birth. And the plans you all made.

Dear lord I want to twat him over the head.

Only you know how you're feeling and it probably varies day to day? It's ok to be inconsistent. Just be good to yourself please.

Syc4moreTrees · 26/06/2017 15:39

I feel like i may have made an error, we are now shopping for items for a space bedroom (no we can't paint the whole room black!) and for a "rainbow kingdom but with a dinosaur and maybe some elephants" bedroom.

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FluffyWhiteTowels · 26/06/2017 15:58

Sounds awesome and just what you all need. Go for it. Can always be redecorated later 😂

NotMyPenguin · 26/06/2017 16:04

You are an awesome mama!

(I like the idea of a space bedroom; lots of opportunity for fun decorating possibilities... glow in the dark stars?!)

Syc4moreTrees · 26/06/2017 16:11

notmypenguin I actually flipping love glow in the dark stars!

We're going for a swirly vortex of blue and purple space on one wall (and maybe a tardis)...Pinterest fail in the making Grin At any rate it'll certainly look a little ood.

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ShesNoNormanPace · 26/06/2017 16:35

Have you googled the people that come to your house and paint a glow in the dark galaxy scene on the ceiling? It's magical.

Syc4moreTrees · 26/06/2017 16:54

That sounds amazing...maybe they can do my ceiling whilst they're at it Grin

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BewareOfDragons · 26/06/2017 16:59

Wall stickers are your friends.

Moussemoose · 26/06/2017 17:59

We found some stars and space wall paper. Painted the room blue and have one wall that looks outer space.

My eldest has never let me redecorate. He still loves it now.

Clutterbugsmum · 26/06/2017 19:03

My ds has a similar window looking out to space in his bedroom.

HJBeans · 26/06/2017 19:18

I so want to visit that rainbow kingdom! Sounds amazing. :-)

Syc4moreTrees · 26/06/2017 21:44

So many good ideas! We've transcended into a decorating thread!

Have suggested a little camping out adventure for WH and the boys for the weekend. At the house but no where near my bed unless the little ones get scared. 😁

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Dairymilkmuncher · 26/06/2017 22:08

Syc please please get chalkboard paint for the space room waaaaaa it a dream come true.

Also from our local science centre you can get glow in the dark stick on DINOSAURS

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