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Help dealing with dw sexting

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Wellyboots86 · 12/04/2017 07:50

Hi everyone,

My dw and I have been together for nearly 16 years now, met as 15yo and neither of us had any real relationships prior to meeting up (nothing longer than a year). We are the same age.

Like all couples we've had ups and downs over the years, for me the worst bit was a one night stand she had at uni aged 18/19 which I forgave long ago. Only bring this up as what I'm about to discuss has brought the memory back.

We have 2 ds and had a difficult time with #2 being 5 weeks early and subsequent health issue for him (all better now). In hindsight I think we both went through a period of depression over this. Like a lot of couples, sex disappeared after having #2 (until recently only 1 "fooling around" session in about 6m) and some of this is down to juggling young family, work and basically being too tired to do anything by the time ds x2 are asleep.

We've both said recently about needing to make a bit more effort towards each other sexually as we take each other for granted in that way, 15 yrs together and sex is still important to us but not essential.

So backstory over, here's my dilemma....

Shortly after talking about making more effort with each other, dw and I slept together for the first time in ages and it was amazing, felt really connected to her again and both very happy.

Then the next day I was using her phone to check Facebook (I don't have an account and we've shared hers for years) when I noticed an app I've never seen before in a folder with random stuff she never uses. Opened it and it was a chat room app where she had been talking dirty to a few guys! I only had a few seconds to take it in as she came back into the room so I closed it again and said nothing as wanted to wait for her to be in the bathroom etc to have a better look. She was on her phone a lot that night which is unusual as she normally uses iPad and I guess subconsciously this is what made me use phone not iPad for checking Facebook. When it came to bedtime I tried to take up some stuff for her as usual, including phone and she made excuse to keep it. When she came up and went to bathroom I checked again and she'd deleted app but I found a few topless pics in her deleted folder of photo album. Confronted her about it and she said that it had only been going on a few days, she planned on stopping anyway, was bored when I'm at work during the weekend (and joked she was fed up of watching peppa pig) and apologised. I went to sleep downstairs and she sent a lovely text saying how bad she felt and begging forgiveness.

Next couple of days were a bit awkward as we discussed it a few times but agreed to move on and things felt a lot better, we seemed closer and both genuinely in a better headspace. I had said that I can move on as long as it stops.

Then on Friday when she was in the shower after we'd been intimate again, I got a burst of paranoia and checked phone to find she had searched for the app again (nothing on phone and I know it was a new search as I'd put Spotify on phone that morning for her). Said nothing, went to sleep having closed App Store. In the morning (after I'd been up a few hours with eldest ds) she came downstairs as I needed to go to work and I checked phone again, she'd obviously been back on again whilst I was downstairs! Again said nothing as we were in really good place (apart from me inside).

Sunday after work I asked her if there was anything to tell me and she said no, told her I knew she was still going online and she admitted that she was and found it a confidence boost (she has always been conscious about weight) as well as just chatting normally (not just sexy talk) as we don't have any close friends and sometimes when I'm working she feels isolated from the world.

I told her that I could understand (genuinely can) and said what hurt more was her hiding it still by waiting for me to go to work and then deleting app. I said that if it was helping her confidence, helping us be more intimate and helping her be happier then I could forgive and as long as she just left app on phone rather than sneaking around, I'd overlook it. Asked her to stick to chat not pics though and she agreed to just Facebook type pics not sexual.

It's now Wednesday morning and I know that she has been on several times a day since Sunday (I've checked a few times despite her keeping phone close to her). I've read a lot of the chat and it is a mix of normal talk like movies etc but there are a few guys where the dirty talk is pretty full on and (worse imo) she has been sneaking off a few times to take more pics (which I've seen - not as raunchy but still one topless one).

My real issue is this - it is obviously making her happy and has helped improve things in both our day to day relationship as well as massively sparking our sex life. I have zero worries ATM about her doing anything physical as she is telling people she's got a partner and lives 50 odd miles away from where we actually live. I don't want to keep confronting her as she'll know I'm looking and hide things again and also I genuinely want her to be happy. She is a teacher and as it's half term now I think she will "calm down a bit" once back at work as won't have as much free time.

The question is, am I doing the right thing by letting her have some "harmless" fun online as it is clearly helping her (and us) reconnect after a hard year? I don't want to drive a wedge between us again and admittedly it is a bit of a turn on sometimes but the sneaking off to take pics as well as her being up late at night sexting (when she gets up for the loo) is still bothering me a lot. Also, it's only been going on for just over a week so am I just being over sensitive/justifiably so still as it's so fresh and need to give it until she's back at work to properly assess the extent of the problem?

Sorry for the ramble!

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Hissy · 13/04/2017 15:06

I desperately want to find a way past this that doesn't leave us both hating the other (stupid of me I know)

The only way past this is to get past her. She doesn't value your relationship AT ALL!

I suggested counselling but she said it's too embarrassing and doesn't want to, just wants to work it through together.

She wants YOU to be responsible for HER sexting other guys. she will pin her success or failure in not sexting on YOUR support or behaviour.

Losing you and the DC is not enough of a fear for her to stop sexting multiple men.

You are enabling this by not putting your foot down. What's the issue here? do you think that you will never find happiness again? that no one would want you? has she done THAT much of a number on you?

"No more chances, no weaning off, you either stop it and do whatever it takes to get the marriage onto life support and resuscitation, because right now it's in cardiac arrest, or you pull the plug right now and she can find somewhere else to live TODAY."

Wellyboots86 · 13/04/2017 15:13

Hissy - it's not that I think I'd never find anyone else it's that she's been there for half my life and that's tough to throw away (I know she did by her actions before you say it). I hate the idea of splitting up the family and not seeing my kids anytime I want and I think back on all the great plans we made together. She keeps saying things to the boys (so to me but using them as a conduit) about where we'll be next year (family holiday) and various things like that. She's said about splitting in anger sure but when I actually said fine lets get lawyers involved she backed down.

I think I've shocked her enough to stop but time will tell...

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Wellyboots86 · 13/04/2017 15:14

I told her in that same conversation that she can leave and go to her mums which she refused to do. If we get to that point I don't know how I'd get her out of the house without getting physical (and then she'd use that against me in custody battle)

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Hissy · 13/04/2017 15:36

Welly, it's gone. thrown away already.

she is now manipulating your children to keep you trapped.

You need time to process this, and you have a right to ask for her to give you space to do so. SHE is the one that needs to give you that space.

Ask her to give you a few weeks and say that if she doesn't you will start divorce proceedings to get it.

Hissy · 13/04/2017 15:39

I think I've shocked her enough to stop but time will tell...

WHEN she does it again, what then? where will you draw the line?

Each line you draw she goes over and you draw a new one, every line she crosses and you ignore means your ultimatums peter away to nothing.

Anyone really committed would be making more (some kind of) effort.

she is not, she is getting angry and blaming you....

Come on!

Batghee · 13/04/2017 15:46

i dont think you sound like a doormat at all. Youve been together a very long time since quite young. That may mean that some experiences other people have had you both may never have had. Experiences which help us learn and grow sexually. I think in this case it seems like the attention is helping her sexual confidence which is in turn helping you.

The issue is how you feel about it. Are you really able to be okay with it? And is she really able to keep it to an acceptable level for you?

You need to really think about how you feel and what the consequences might be.
Other peoples opinions dont matter what matters is how you really feel about it and how its effecting you.
What two people decide to do within their own marriage is up to them imo. I dont think theres any right or wrong as long as both people are on board with it.

LoveDeathPrizes · 13/04/2017 16:28

Batghee does have a point, except I do doubt that this won't escalate in the absence of a trusting, imtinate and crucially respectful relationship. This is clearly symptomatic of a marital breakdown.

LoveDeathPrizes · 13/04/2017 16:28

Imtinate? Intimate.

Wellyboots86 · 13/04/2017 17:18

It was helping our sex life briefly before I found out that she wasn't just talking/role play like she promised and actually taking pics and then discussing what we'd just down so that avenue of "benefit" is gone.

I want to feel like she's intimate because of me not to give wank material to someone else/carry out what she's been discussing with a random guy

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Wellyboots86 · 13/04/2017 17:20

I actually phoned a divorce lawyer for advice an hour ago as she's out getting hair done (booked ages ago but didn't cancel today) so that we can both have space to think.

It sucks that I'm actually considering it, God I hate life right now!

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feckingmarvellous · 13/04/2017 18:46

What did the lawyer advise?

Wellyboots86 · 13/04/2017 19:32

Said I clearly still have feelings for her and not to worry about having to act quickly before evidence is too old or whatever. Said not to worry about custody as I'd have equal rights. Recommended seeing if we can work through it but talked me through the process of we can't

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LoveDeathPrizes · 13/04/2017 21:43

You clearly really love her. Can you do dirty talk? Online? I don't know. I kind of thing that as her husband you fancying her should be enough but I appreciate it's obviously more complicated than that?

Wellyboots86 · 13/04/2017 22:14

I've been thinking of joining the same site and seeing if we can chat there (probably under a fake image as don't think she'll do it if she knows it's me) but I just think that might cause more problems when/if she finds out its me.

She's asked me to talk dirty during sex sometimes which I find awkward but I tried it the other night. Afterwards she said it was too much so guess I can't win!

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LoveDeathPrizes · 13/04/2017 22:34

The problem is that part of what's attractive about her current habit is the novelty, the performance, the fact these people don't know her. When you know someone inside out, it becomes hard to do that because it's actually quite difficult to objectify someone that you love wholly.

LoveDeathPrizes · 13/04/2017 22:34

I'd join the site. Far too curious!

Wellyboots86 · 13/04/2017 23:03

Just need to try and work out the best way forward, stay and try and rebuild, stay and rebuild whilst trying to be part of that side of her or just leave. All have their merits and all have their downsides...

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Suninseptember · 13/04/2017 23:03

Welly she's taking you for a fool. Don't join the site, she shouldn't be talking to other men and you shouldn't be so accepting of it.
Other men are looking at your wife's intimate bits, whatever they are.
Why are you still the only one fighting for a woman who's quite happy to seek approval from other men other than her husband.
You may be taking all these years into consideration but she isn't.
If she was so desperate for 'adult conversation' she would have joined a normal site, hell, even mumsnet.
She chose men.
Quite fitting with her response about how she never got the chance to date other men?
The ball is in your court as to how this plays out.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't see enough from her to convince me that this will end well.

noitsnotme · 13/04/2017 23:10

Agree with Sun. In fact, I was just thinking today about these sad celebrities who are in seemingly happy marriages, but can't resist posing, pouting, and sexualising themselves for approval from other people, especially when it's not remotely related to their career. Surely if you truly love your husband/wife, there is just NO need for that?

Your wife is doing far more than that and there's no justification as far as I can see, and certainly no remorse or effort to prove that you are her priority.

SandyY2K · 14/04/2017 02:19

Welly,

The problem is that those type of sites have so many men and women get their pick, so there's no saying she'd choose you to chat to.

I know this, because a guy who I was supporting had a similar issue with his wife and I joined the site to see what he meant..as I wasn't quite sure . Not out of personal interest I must stress, in case my DH reads this.

I was inundated with about 10 - 15 messages instantly. Lots of married guys wanting to talk dirty, webcam.. And they dive straight in.

You have to register your gender, so they immediately know when a woman signs up.

It's the same with Ashley Madison... Lots more men than women, so women get to choose, while the men struggle to get an affair partner on there.

Wellyboots86 · 14/04/2017 06:59

Before I forced her to show me she'd said she wants to make our relationship work but was finding it hard to quit. She wanted me to give her until Monday so that she can force herself to go on less and less. By then she will be back at work so won't be able to go on anyway so perhaps she means it or perhaps it's just getting as much use out of it as she can before quitting.

Her phone was in the kitchen most of last night and although I snuck a glance at her a few times while she was cooking and know that she was on there briefly, I didn't see her use it again that night even when she had it next to her. This is the first night that's happened as she has always been on her phone at least an hour a night since this started, pretending to be on Facebook or whatever but last night she just used iPad (which I know can't download app she uses on phone).

She is showing signs of stopping and wanting to try and make it work, no grand gestures of remorse but tbh I'm not expecting any as she's not the kind of person to do that normally anyway. I think it'll be more a case of her just making little gestures towards me to test how I'm feeling towards her until things normalise or breakdown

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Wellyboots86 · 14/04/2017 07:02

Also she said when she showed me about having no body confidence which was why she craved the attention in the first place. She has now bought some gym wear and scouted local weight watchers and a gym so I think she will put her energy into getting into the shape she wants in order to have the confidence instead of going online.

I could be wrong, she might think "I look better now" and post even more pics but I hope not

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Wellyboots86 · 14/04/2017 09:42

We have a "date night" on Tuesday after work as she bought me tickets to a show for Christmas so will be a meal out before as well. Hopefully it can be the start of reconciliation and make her realise what she's got

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feckingmarvellous · 14/04/2017 11:16

I wonder if with her having low self esteem, whether she was subconsciously hoping to get attention from you to tell her to stop. And whether in having got a reaction from you, she's got what she wanted and will be able to move on from the Internet affairs. Just a thought. Without knowing her it's impossible for me to say.

Wellyboots86 · 14/04/2017 11:29

I'm hoping so, I've certainly seen her on phone a lot less since our last talk, using Facebook on iPad again now etc whereas before she kept saying how slow it is. Of course she could just be going on when she goes to bed (sleeping separately rn) or waiting until I'm at work tonight...

I do believe her when she says she's wants to stop and wants the marriage rather than the online stuff but I just need her to show me I can trust her through her actions.

She's been giving me little hugs etc since we spoke and I think she's after reassurance I'm not going to leave as slough she'll say in an arguement "well let's just get divorced then" I've never said it until last night.

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