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What Men Want (A bit about...)

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SuffolkGent01 · 11/04/2017 10:07

There are some women out there who genuinely wish they could be better wives or girlfriends, and I am writing this for those women who appreciate a bit of honesty about what men want - and yes, most of this does relate to sex. For those women who are open to hearing that, then I hope you find this helpful. For those ardent feminists, or man-hating Mumsnet guardians, who think this is a major human rights violation of some kind, then... sorry. (More on that below.).

Inevitably what I write will be generalisation, but as a guy in his 40s on his third marriage, having been around a bit, with a lot of male friends and colleagues also, and some experience counselling, I know this all applies to perhaps 90-95% of men. And If I say things about women, again it's a generalisation, so take it for what it is.

  1. Sex. Yes, married men would want sex much more regularly on the whole than they get (really, in my view, twice a week is pretty much the acceptable minimum for a couple under 60). But what truly depresses most married men, far more than the lack of regularity of sex, is actually that their wives simply show no interest in sex itself.

Any husband would take a woman who was sensual and enthusiastic and made a positive effort once every two weeks, then a woman who reluctantly rolls over to have missionary duty-sex once or twice a week. There is nothing more depressing, transparent, un-erotic and life-sapping than a woman doing duty-sex, and yet that is what almost all married men have to live with. What makes it worse, of course, is that this is not who most men dated or married to begin with, when so many women put on the show of being energetic sex bunnies.

But a woman who makes an effort, who does something unexpected, is a gem. So, ask yourself when you last actually thought about doing something new or different in the bedroom, when you last buy a sexy outfit or a toy, when did you last instigate a sexual act outside the bedroom (or, shock horror, the house)? If you ask yourself these questions regularly enough, you'll be well on the way to a happy husband.

  1. Lingerie. Men love women in nice lingerie, but for most married women it is purely functional and they have no interest in even wearing matching lingerie, let alone anything sexy, even at weekends or during a time spent together. This is an easy win.
  1. Presentation. This key principle is that men simply do not want to hear about women's health issues, or anything that a lady should not be talking about. There are millions of women in this country, but very very few ladies who understand the restraint that involves. This is really a function of good manners and etiquette as much as anything. So, men don't want to hear about anything to do with your private parts, body hair, etc. They don't want to see you adopting any un-lady like habits during marriage; breaking wind, burping, etc. just say to the world you have given up and frankly don't give a damn any more about being either lady like or attractive to your husband. Same goes for doing any body maintenance in front of your husband. All those things should be done, if they have to, in private, away from your husband's eyes and ears (not even leaving a razor out in the bathroom). If you want a happy man, you should focus on presenting yourself as something he desires. Body hair - anywhere other than the top of your head, eyebrows and (these days) a very moderate amount below the bikini line, is totally unacceptable. Men don't want to touch it, see it or hear about it. There are plenty of solutions, including having laser treatment (I don't know why this isn't something every woman does). A hairy arm, top lip, leg, side burn, or whatever else is a truly awful thing.

It is partly for this reason that some English men do like East Asian women, because they are generally more effeminate and also are naturally hairless in most areas. Anyway, I digress.

  1. Chat. Partly covered in 3 above, but one specific other area that men find a turn-off is when women speak in juvenile terms about body parts, particularly referring in giggling tones to someone's "willy" or "bum", for example, is an immediate signal and turn-off. So too is women speaking in clinical terms, like "penis" or "vagina". For men, private parts are, believe it or not, primarily sexual, and adult women who want to engage with their husbands should engage in more "adult" usage if they want to connect. It goes back to point 1, about men wishing their wives shared a more sensual / sexual mindset. This can help.
  1. Porn. I really could not believe my ears when I heard a couple of my friends say that their wives did not approve of them watching porn. And, then I have read threads on here of wives coming to the "community" to panic about what to do about their husband (sorry, "DH".... that's another posting altogether, god help us) watching a bit of kinky porn now and again and whether it's "acceptable" or not. Firstly, to state the blindingly obvious, it's not a question of whether a wife should allow, approve or tolerate her husband watching porn, or watching sport, or watching UFC or watching whatever on earth he wants to watch, if it's legal. He's an adult, a separate person, and that's the end of it. But much more relevant to this post about making your guy happy, it again links back to 1, and tells your husband you have no idea about his needs or wants and frankly no care, and that you are prudish, which is the opposite of what he wishes you were. Sorry, but that's the truth.

I appreciate porn is not many women's cup of tea. Of course, a woman who DOES like porn, either alone or together with her husband, is a great find. But even if you don't, if your focus is on him being happy, then just embrace it as much as you can. Remember, your husband gets no immediate pleasure from you using a sex toy, but can you imagine if he objected to you doing it? That would, of course, be ridiculous and out of order. Much better for him to participate, if his goal is to make you happy, and the reverse is the same. So, next time you think of ticking off your husband - who, by the way DOES watch porn REGULARLY, whatever he says - why not do something spontaneous, sexual and ground-breaking, whatever that may be (be creative with it).

Again, to those women who are interested in what men want, this is a little set of tips to help you on your way to making your man happier. It may not all be immediately achievable, but that's okay, it's primarily an explanation, nothing more, so you can better relate and adjust if you want to.

And, again, for those women who see this as the ultimate display of sexism blah blah, and are reaching for the pitch-forks or furiously typing a response about why men don't understand they are too tired for X, too busy for Y, and would do these things if only their husbands did A, B and C, and unrealistic expectations of women, etc. etc., then you really missed the point.

Bye Bye!
Peter

OP posts:
Ratonastick · 11/04/2017 10:49

Laugh!! Not last!!

exPatinthesun · 11/04/2017 10:51

Let's get this is classics Grin

IAmAmy · 11/04/2017 10:52

Obviously a thread intended as a wind up, although it was quite amusing - not least because someone bothered to write all that out thinking it'd wind people up only to find the reaction has been mere mirth.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/04/2017 10:52

Wahahahahahaha I really needed a laugh this morning, thanks for that OP

Yeah, this had to be a joke.

They got the mistress in the bedroom and lady in the lounge room right, but what about cook and cleaner in the rest of the house? Dinner on the table, slippers to the armchair and the like?

I'd only take it seriously if it included all that too.

BoreOfWhabylon · 11/04/2017 10:52

DJBaggySmalls · 11/04/2017 10:52

I'm crying with laughter, especially at 'Lingerie', my ex is an autogynephile and married me to get his hands on mine.

Noodles4Me · 11/04/2017 10:53

That post was hilarious Peter.

And total bollox obviously Grin

NC1nightstand · 11/04/2017 10:53

Ah, the school holidays are upon us. I say 1/10 for the comedy but I think you could have had a better response if you had been a little less obvious. Don't lay it on so thick next time Peter, that would be my advice as to what women want.

HorraceTheOtter · 11/04/2017 10:53

When I had a man who took and interest in my life, who helped me, who looked after me when my hips were bad. Who didn't make fucking remarks on my pubice hair, my choice of language, my underwear. Who made me feel supported in every way. Then I had non duty sex at least once or twice a day. Funnily enough, my choice of knickers or hair removal wasn't much of an issue... Fuck you Peter, perhaps consider why your on your third wife and that the others forced themselves to have duty sex (eww) with you.

KatharinaRosalie · 11/04/2017 10:53

Have we read the same book?

Such exclamations as 'The Dickens,' or 'Mercy,' or 'Good Gracious,' should never be used. If you are surprised or astonished, suppress the fact. Such expressions border closely on profanity.

A lady ought to adopt a modest and measured gait; too great hurry injures the grace which ought to characterize her. When tripping over the pavement, a lady should gracefully raise her dress a little above her ankle. To raise the dress on. both sides, and with both hands, is vulgar. This ungraceful practice can only be tolerated for a moment, when the mud is very deep.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/04/2017 10:54

married me to get his hands on mine

Ah ... then not while you were wearing them then?

PortiaCastis · 11/04/2017 10:54

I think our pete is about 15 and his hobby is fumbling

NotYoda · 11/04/2017 10:54

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SuffolkNWhat · 11/04/2017 10:54

To be honest Peter there are still plants that need bedding in and that has to happen before your sister arrives with her slides from her trip to Croatia.

Don't forget to pick up your prescription for your piles as Dr Thompson said the longer you put it off the more sore they'll get.

SootSprite · 11/04/2017 10:55

Bwahahahaha 😂

Vegansnake · 11/04/2017 10:55

What a load of bollocks...can't belive I wasted 2 minutes of my life reading that...shuffle of back to your man cave...ha ha I bet it took you weeks to come up with all that bless .

laurzj82 · 11/04/2017 10:56

HmmBiscuit

floraeasy · 11/04/2017 10:56

Some interesting points here IMO.

How many of us (who do it later in a relationship) would burp and fart on the first few dates? Or pluck their moustaches in front of a new lover? Wear their period pants for the first sexual encounter with a new man?

Why is okay to do this later on then? I understand "getting comfortable" but good manners should exist with, presumably, the most important person in your life.

That goes for men too. If they wouldn't do things like picking their nose in front of you in the early days or not flushing the loo properly, it's not acceptable to do it later on either.

IAmAmy · 11/04/2017 10:56

It's quite pitiful that person went to the trouble of writing all that. I doubt anyone has actually read it all. Such a poor attempt at a wind up - 2/10 at best (only giving the 2 because of some of what I did read making me laugh a little).

Salycinnamon11 · 11/04/2017 10:56

Fuck that

FastMakoShark · 11/04/2017 10:57

Actually I agree with something in the post! All the 'D' shit. No one talks like that in RL and it's really patronizing

HoneyDragon · 11/04/2017 10:57

I don't think Peters penis primary function is sex. I less Peters hand counts?

I assume Peter pisses out his ears too?

NotYoda · 11/04/2017 10:57

Peter is actually Petronella, and this is excellent satire. Thank you

PencilsInSpace · 11/04/2017 10:58

Well I think that all sounds fair enough, as long as the Man is prepared to learn some good Sexual Technics.

MephistophelesApprentice · 11/04/2017 10:58

Yeah - as a man, I'm unlikely to take advice on relationships from a guy on his third marriage.

Men like you make it harder for the rest of us. You can like what you like, want what you want, but frankly your douchey attitude is of no benefit to anyone in pursuing those things. You're literally a caricature of selfish male entitlement that's just going to justify even more misandry from the usual suspects.

Everything you talk about are specific tastes that are not universal to men. Sure, I like porn and lingerie, but then I date women who are also into that sort of thing - I don't believe that every woman should conform to my desires, or that they should conform to your narcissistic, selfish view of what a relationship should be.

Every decent guy here is cringing. You're an embarrassment even to the trolls, who at least have some subtlety.