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What Men Want (A bit about...)

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SuffolkGent01 · 11/04/2017 10:07

There are some women out there who genuinely wish they could be better wives or girlfriends, and I am writing this for those women who appreciate a bit of honesty about what men want - and yes, most of this does relate to sex. For those women who are open to hearing that, then I hope you find this helpful. For those ardent feminists, or man-hating Mumsnet guardians, who think this is a major human rights violation of some kind, then... sorry. (More on that below.).

Inevitably what I write will be generalisation, but as a guy in his 40s on his third marriage, having been around a bit, with a lot of male friends and colleagues also, and some experience counselling, I know this all applies to perhaps 90-95% of men. And If I say things about women, again it's a generalisation, so take it for what it is.

  1. Sex. Yes, married men would want sex much more regularly on the whole than they get (really, in my view, twice a week is pretty much the acceptable minimum for a couple under 60). But what truly depresses most married men, far more than the lack of regularity of sex, is actually that their wives simply show no interest in sex itself.

Any husband would take a woman who was sensual and enthusiastic and made a positive effort once every two weeks, then a woman who reluctantly rolls over to have missionary duty-sex once or twice a week. There is nothing more depressing, transparent, un-erotic and life-sapping than a woman doing duty-sex, and yet that is what almost all married men have to live with. What makes it worse, of course, is that this is not who most men dated or married to begin with, when so many women put on the show of being energetic sex bunnies.

But a woman who makes an effort, who does something unexpected, is a gem. So, ask yourself when you last actually thought about doing something new or different in the bedroom, when you last buy a sexy outfit or a toy, when did you last instigate a sexual act outside the bedroom (or, shock horror, the house)? If you ask yourself these questions regularly enough, you'll be well on the way to a happy husband.

  1. Lingerie. Men love women in nice lingerie, but for most married women it is purely functional and they have no interest in even wearing matching lingerie, let alone anything sexy, even at weekends or during a time spent together. This is an easy win.
  1. Presentation. This key principle is that men simply do not want to hear about women's health issues, or anything that a lady should not be talking about. There are millions of women in this country, but very very few ladies who understand the restraint that involves. This is really a function of good manners and etiquette as much as anything. So, men don't want to hear about anything to do with your private parts, body hair, etc. They don't want to see you adopting any un-lady like habits during marriage; breaking wind, burping, etc. just say to the world you have given up and frankly don't give a damn any more about being either lady like or attractive to your husband. Same goes for doing any body maintenance in front of your husband. All those things should be done, if they have to, in private, away from your husband's eyes and ears (not even leaving a razor out in the bathroom). If you want a happy man, you should focus on presenting yourself as something he desires. Body hair - anywhere other than the top of your head, eyebrows and (these days) a very moderate amount below the bikini line, is totally unacceptable. Men don't want to touch it, see it or hear about it. There are plenty of solutions, including having laser treatment (I don't know why this isn't something every woman does). A hairy arm, top lip, leg, side burn, or whatever else is a truly awful thing.

It is partly for this reason that some English men do like East Asian women, because they are generally more effeminate and also are naturally hairless in most areas. Anyway, I digress.

  1. Chat. Partly covered in 3 above, but one specific other area that men find a turn-off is when women speak in juvenile terms about body parts, particularly referring in giggling tones to someone's "willy" or "bum", for example, is an immediate signal and turn-off. So too is women speaking in clinical terms, like "penis" or "vagina". For men, private parts are, believe it or not, primarily sexual, and adult women who want to engage with their husbands should engage in more "adult" usage if they want to connect. It goes back to point 1, about men wishing their wives shared a more sensual / sexual mindset. This can help.
  1. Porn. I really could not believe my ears when I heard a couple of my friends say that their wives did not approve of them watching porn. And, then I have read threads on here of wives coming to the "community" to panic about what to do about their husband (sorry, "DH".... that's another posting altogether, god help us) watching a bit of kinky porn now and again and whether it's "acceptable" or not. Firstly, to state the blindingly obvious, it's not a question of whether a wife should allow, approve or tolerate her husband watching porn, or watching sport, or watching UFC or watching whatever on earth he wants to watch, if it's legal. He's an adult, a separate person, and that's the end of it. But much more relevant to this post about making your guy happy, it again links back to 1, and tells your husband you have no idea about his needs or wants and frankly no care, and that you are prudish, which is the opposite of what he wishes you were. Sorry, but that's the truth.

I appreciate porn is not many women's cup of tea. Of course, a woman who DOES like porn, either alone or together with her husband, is a great find. But even if you don't, if your focus is on him being happy, then just embrace it as much as you can. Remember, your husband gets no immediate pleasure from you using a sex toy, but can you imagine if he objected to you doing it? That would, of course, be ridiculous and out of order. Much better for him to participate, if his goal is to make you happy, and the reverse is the same. So, next time you think of ticking off your husband - who, by the way DOES watch porn REGULARLY, whatever he says - why not do something spontaneous, sexual and ground-breaking, whatever that may be (be creative with it).

Again, to those women who are interested in what men want, this is a little set of tips to help you on your way to making your man happier. It may not all be immediately achievable, but that's okay, it's primarily an explanation, nothing more, so you can better relate and adjust if you want to.

And, again, for those women who see this as the ultimate display of sexism blah blah, and are reaching for the pitch-forks or furiously typing a response about why men don't understand they are too tired for X, too busy for Y, and would do these things if only their husbands did A, B and C, and unrealistic expectations of women, etc. etc., then you really missed the point.

Bye Bye!
Peter

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knaggathorchristie · 11/04/2017 11:16

I find it hard to believe that any male who could believe the things you have written about has ever been in the company of a woman, let alone had a relationship of any worth.

Misogynistic drivel like this is the reason your partner (if she even exists) doesn't show more interest in you sexually. Women will not listen to your so called advice, as a man I love knowing my girlfriend is a HUMAN BEING who (believe it or not) may have other things to do than be constantly shaving, or holding their tongue for fear of offending troglodytes with views like the ones expressed in the original post.

I'm going to guess this is a troll, I can only assume natural selection would have killed off Neanderthals with genuine views like this millions of years ago

FlyAwayPeter · 11/04/2017 11:16

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IfNotNowThenWhenever · 11/04/2017 11:17

You sound totally miserable trapped in the 1950s. We could send a time machine to rescue you, but to be frankly you don't really sound worth the energy involved.

I think the 1950's gets a bad rep really. Women had pubic hair and jobs an' that in the 1950's. It wasn't actually like a vintage American TV ad in real life!
Thanks Peter, vaguely amusing satire, very good. Star

joystir59 · 11/04/2017 11:17

FFS! Just order one of those robots you can get now OP.

FlyAwayPeter · 11/04/2017 11:17

And you boast about THREE marriages? I'd be ashamed of that record if I were you. It means there are 3 women who put up with this drivel, but have learnt they didn't have to.

redjoker · 11/04/2017 11:18

Ergh Peter mate your like that creepy guy that sits in the corner of a nightclub aren't you?

MountainDweller · 11/04/2017 11:19

School hols, innit?

Don't you have any revision to do?

VestalVirgin · 11/04/2017 11:20

In the name of all man-hating feminists: Thank you. You have proven man-haters everywhere on the planet right.

Man-hating feminists can talk and talk, and women never believe that the men they love really see them as subhuman fucktoilets, but now you have come here and admitted it, for everyone to see.

Your brave words will create a thousand new misandrists.

Well done! Grin

thatdearoctopus · 11/04/2017 11:20

You're on your third marriage, you say?

forwardgoing · 11/04/2017 11:21

Your essay could have been just one sentence -
"I do not succeed with women and do not understand why".

The bad news for you is that you probably never will, the good news (for women) is that you probably never will.

thatdearoctopus · 11/04/2017 11:22

There are some women out there who genuinely wish they could be better wives or girlfriends

And there are at least a couple of women who are genuinely relieved that they're no longer yours.

Shamoffour · 11/04/2017 11:23

Absolutely hilarious!!! Fantastic windup Pete!!!!!!

Destinysdaughter · 11/04/2017 11:24

As I was reading this pile of steaming tripe, getting more Shock by the minute, I was rubbing my hands with glee at the amount of entertainment this thread was going to provide.

Thanks mate!

< Guardian reading feminist here >

Goldfishjane · 11/04/2017 11:25

Vestal "women never believe that the men they love really see them as subhuman fucktoilets"

Ah, that's a better TL:DR than my poor attempt.

MephistophelesApprentice · 11/04/2017 11:25

I knew it. I fuckin' knew it. Angry

Wink
MrsEvadneCake · 11/04/2017 11:25

Three marriages by mid forties. No idea why that could be..
Counselling...can see that worked...

Fuck me. Not literally you couldn't keep up with me if you tried

Olddear · 11/04/2017 11:25

What a man wants? Who cares....

PigeonFingers · 11/04/2017 11:25

I think Peter's only mistake was aiming this at women instead of 'partners'.

If a thread was started complaining

'my DH doesn't want sex with me anymore, he sits about farting all day, he leaves his toenail clippings around the bath, his facial hair is unkempt & unhygienic and all he talks about is an ingrown hair in his crotch'

I'm guessing there'd be a lot of LTB... he's lots all respect for you... where's the romance?... I couldn't handle a DH who cared so little of my opinion, but that's just me!... and so on.

Destinysdaughter · 11/04/2017 11:26

My vibrator has more idea of what a woman wants than you do!

ScrambledSmegs · 11/04/2017 11:27

You're on your third marriage and you're only in your 40's? You're really not very good at this marriage lark, are you.

DawnMumsnet · 11/04/2017 11:29

Morning all,

Well, as you can imagine, we've had a shed load of reports come in about this thread. It's truly enlightening.

Hopefully we've all had a chance by now to take down some notes on what we've been doing wrong, as women and as wives.

Thanks, Peter. Off you trot, now.

AprilSkies44 · 11/04/2017 11:30

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Kittencatkins123 · 11/04/2017 11:30

FlyAwayPeter (lol)
Of course he's on his third marriage. THOSE WOMEN DID NOT HAVE ENFORCED SEX TWICE A WEEK IN LINGERIE NOR WERE THEY HAIRLESS COCK WORSHIPPING LOVERS OF PORN!!!! The writing was on the wall really.

Kikikaakaa · 11/04/2017 11:30

It is common sense that bad manners are off putting to partners of either sex but he doesn't have any good points that women don't already know. The entire front page of this relationship forum I can't see any posts asking for tips on how to be a better wife or girlfriend and make your man happy, but how to leave an unhappy relationship. It is not the same thing. Women aren't leaving men because they don't satisfy their man enough, it's usually because he is an inadequate partner to them.

If men are leaving women for all the reasons Peter listed then is this just an apologists excuse list for domestic violence, cheating, alcoholism and controlling abuse?

Littletabbyocelot · 11/04/2017 11:31

Thanks Holly, I'll be doing the can can to bum bum willy willy all day