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What Men Want (A bit about...)

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SuffolkGent01 · 11/04/2017 10:07

There are some women out there who genuinely wish they could be better wives or girlfriends, and I am writing this for those women who appreciate a bit of honesty about what men want - and yes, most of this does relate to sex. For those women who are open to hearing that, then I hope you find this helpful. For those ardent feminists, or man-hating Mumsnet guardians, who think this is a major human rights violation of some kind, then... sorry. (More on that below.).

Inevitably what I write will be generalisation, but as a guy in his 40s on his third marriage, having been around a bit, with a lot of male friends and colleagues also, and some experience counselling, I know this all applies to perhaps 90-95% of men. And If I say things about women, again it's a generalisation, so take it for what it is.

  1. Sex. Yes, married men would want sex much more regularly on the whole than they get (really, in my view, twice a week is pretty much the acceptable minimum for a couple under 60). But what truly depresses most married men, far more than the lack of regularity of sex, is actually that their wives simply show no interest in sex itself.

Any husband would take a woman who was sensual and enthusiastic and made a positive effort once every two weeks, then a woman who reluctantly rolls over to have missionary duty-sex once or twice a week. There is nothing more depressing, transparent, un-erotic and life-sapping than a woman doing duty-sex, and yet that is what almost all married men have to live with. What makes it worse, of course, is that this is not who most men dated or married to begin with, when so many women put on the show of being energetic sex bunnies.

But a woman who makes an effort, who does something unexpected, is a gem. So, ask yourself when you last actually thought about doing something new or different in the bedroom, when you last buy a sexy outfit or a toy, when did you last instigate a sexual act outside the bedroom (or, shock horror, the house)? If you ask yourself these questions regularly enough, you'll be well on the way to a happy husband.

  1. Lingerie. Men love women in nice lingerie, but for most married women it is purely functional and they have no interest in even wearing matching lingerie, let alone anything sexy, even at weekends or during a time spent together. This is an easy win.
  1. Presentation. This key principle is that men simply do not want to hear about women's health issues, or anything that a lady should not be talking about. There are millions of women in this country, but very very few ladies who understand the restraint that involves. This is really a function of good manners and etiquette as much as anything. So, men don't want to hear about anything to do with your private parts, body hair, etc. They don't want to see you adopting any un-lady like habits during marriage; breaking wind, burping, etc. just say to the world you have given up and frankly don't give a damn any more about being either lady like or attractive to your husband. Same goes for doing any body maintenance in front of your husband. All those things should be done, if they have to, in private, away from your husband's eyes and ears (not even leaving a razor out in the bathroom). If you want a happy man, you should focus on presenting yourself as something he desires. Body hair - anywhere other than the top of your head, eyebrows and (these days) a very moderate amount below the bikini line, is totally unacceptable. Men don't want to touch it, see it or hear about it. There are plenty of solutions, including having laser treatment (I don't know why this isn't something every woman does). A hairy arm, top lip, leg, side burn, or whatever else is a truly awful thing.

It is partly for this reason that some English men do like East Asian women, because they are generally more effeminate and also are naturally hairless in most areas. Anyway, I digress.

  1. Chat. Partly covered in 3 above, but one specific other area that men find a turn-off is when women speak in juvenile terms about body parts, particularly referring in giggling tones to someone's "willy" or "bum", for example, is an immediate signal and turn-off. So too is women speaking in clinical terms, like "penis" or "vagina". For men, private parts are, believe it or not, primarily sexual, and adult women who want to engage with their husbands should engage in more "adult" usage if they want to connect. It goes back to point 1, about men wishing their wives shared a more sensual / sexual mindset. This can help.
  1. Porn. I really could not believe my ears when I heard a couple of my friends say that their wives did not approve of them watching porn. And, then I have read threads on here of wives coming to the "community" to panic about what to do about their husband (sorry, "DH".... that's another posting altogether, god help us) watching a bit of kinky porn now and again and whether it's "acceptable" or not. Firstly, to state the blindingly obvious, it's not a question of whether a wife should allow, approve or tolerate her husband watching porn, or watching sport, or watching UFC or watching whatever on earth he wants to watch, if it's legal. He's an adult, a separate person, and that's the end of it. But much more relevant to this post about making your guy happy, it again links back to 1, and tells your husband you have no idea about his needs or wants and frankly no care, and that you are prudish, which is the opposite of what he wishes you were. Sorry, but that's the truth.

I appreciate porn is not many women's cup of tea. Of course, a woman who DOES like porn, either alone or together with her husband, is a great find. But even if you don't, if your focus is on him being happy, then just embrace it as much as you can. Remember, your husband gets no immediate pleasure from you using a sex toy, but can you imagine if he objected to you doing it? That would, of course, be ridiculous and out of order. Much better for him to participate, if his goal is to make you happy, and the reverse is the same. So, next time you think of ticking off your husband - who, by the way DOES watch porn REGULARLY, whatever he says - why not do something spontaneous, sexual and ground-breaking, whatever that may be (be creative with it).

Again, to those women who are interested in what men want, this is a little set of tips to help you on your way to making your man happier. It may not all be immediately achievable, but that's okay, it's primarily an explanation, nothing more, so you can better relate and adjust if you want to.

And, again, for those women who see this as the ultimate display of sexism blah blah, and are reaching for the pitch-forks or furiously typing a response about why men don't understand they are too tired for X, too busy for Y, and would do these things if only their husbands did A, B and C, and unrealistic expectations of women, etc. etc., then you really missed the point.

Bye Bye!
Peter

OP posts:
YogaAndRum · 11/04/2017 11:32

We know what men want. We never fucking stop hearing about it.

This ^

IAmAmy · 11/04/2017 11:32

I think Peter's only mistake was aiming this at women instead of 'partners'.

His mistake was making the wind up intent too obvious. He should have been subtle about it, for example missing out "man-hating" etc, claimed to be genuinely at a loss as to why women don't do these things, been less desperate to provoke a response. He had one chance and he got it all wrong.

TrippyMcTrapFace · 11/04/2017 11:32

ocelot Grin

birdsdestiny · 11/04/2017 11:35

Oh don't make him go. He is just sooo sexy, or is it just me.

Greystars · 11/04/2017 11:36

Oh well thank goodness a man has come onto MN to tell the women folk how to act.

This is nearly as bad as the one who wanted to suggest putting adult women in nappies.

And pigeon men if you can call this sorry excuse for a man a man like peter think all the things you describe would be perfectly acceptable for him to do, because you know he has a... oh wait a minute what do I actually call that thing dangling between his legs because, it can't be called a willy or a penis penis, this therefore makes him far more important than you, in every single way. With a man like this you wouldn't be allowed an opinion!

MerryMarigold · 11/04/2017 11:36

Peter, please may I ask a question:

If we are not to use 'bum' and 'willy' or 'penis' and 'vagina', can you please tell me the terms my husband wants to hear? (Eg. What is better - 'boobs'/ 'breasts'/ 'tits'/ 'baps'/ 'buns' or 'norks'). I'd be very much obliged if you could help me in this area.

Thank you.

Kikikaakaa · 11/04/2017 11:37

We have to say 'cock and pussy' because you know, all the porn

MagpieMay · 11/04/2017 11:38

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QuizTeamaAguilera · 11/04/2017 11:40

I left my razor out in the bathroom this morning, worried about my marriage now...

Lol.

MerryMarigold · 11/04/2017 11:41

Kiki, so what is the porn word for boobies?

PigeonFingers · 11/04/2017 11:41

Grey Good point.

I guess I just picture Peter as an 11 year old boy typing away on his school holidays preparing for his creative writing essay at school and I'd hate to discourage him from doing well at school.

Alyosha · 11/04/2017 11:41

Perhaps if you put some effort in your wives would actually want to have sex with you?

Kikikaakaa · 11/04/2017 11:42

It's a hard one with boobs. I would say 'titties' Peter may advise, it sounds porny? But is this too juvenile?

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 11/04/2017 11:42
Grin

Is life really this boring for DM journalists?

EpoxyResin · 11/04/2017 11:42

Well, what an elaborate way of asking for help in your relationships Peter! Although you have certainly made it clear the help is what you need...

Whip around for Peter, anyone?

NotCarylChurchill · 11/04/2017 11:43

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PoochSmooch · 11/04/2017 11:43

You are Donald Trump and I claim my five pounds!

FlyAwayPeter · 11/04/2017 11:43

Grin Grin Star Vestal

AnnieAnoniMouse · 11/04/2017 11:43

Thank you for sharing that, I feel so much better informed now.

Not.

But I did, hugely, enjoy the laugh 😂

Pencils. I think the word you were looking for was 'teeny'.

Lflossy88 · 11/04/2017 11:44

So I guess asking DP to pick me up some tampons on the way home from work was a BIG mistake! Grin

FlyAwayPeter · 11/04/2017 11:44

I come bearing peanut butter popcorn mmmm lunch

Costacoffeeplease · 11/04/2017 11:45

Hilarious, it is an ironic post isn't it?

Grin
Chirrup5 · 11/04/2017 11:46

~ponders moving to Suffolk ~

Nameideas · 11/04/2017 11:47

Didn't read your post in it's entirety as it is long.

Your post is bollocks. Hope that helps.

(What was your sample size in this highly scientific study of yours? Was there a control/ comparison group. So many questions but the bottom line is you are talking out of arse)

And breathe!

Nameideas · 11/04/2017 11:48

*your arse, obviously