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H stepped the f*ckery up to another level this weekend.

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PinkGlitter17 · 28/02/2017 23:38

My god. I have a H who's financially and emotionally abusive, and 2 DCs (8 & 2.5). I was posting last week about his behaviour and got tons of LTB responses, which I agree with, and then on Sunday he stepped it up. I'm still in shock and keep having to remind myself that it really happened.

not a good start to a post, is it?

I was setting out with DD to go to an art workshop that morning, and had left the kitchen in a mess, dishes and cake-baking gear piled up on the side, all ready to do them when i returned 2 hrs later. H comes into kitchen with DS, sees pots, asks incredulously whether it was all stuff that needed washing. I said yes, and that I would do it when I got back.

And he said NO! I was not to go anywhere until the kitchen was clean, "the way it should be left". i fought my corner and said he couldn't stop me from going out, and was he forbidding me?! He just kept saying no, I wasn't going anywhere. I carried on putting my shoes on, could see DD looking scared, DS (2) just watching.

H then went into our bedroom, ranting at me about a) a job he had decided i must apply for but "hadn't been arsed to get" and had been pathetic about, and b) taking the kids to my parents' for 2.5 days over Xmas, when he was working 1 of those days and had kicked up endless shit about me doing it when he had said he really didn't want me to. He said if I went to the art class, that was it, we were done, and he would leave. i stood in the hallway like a rabbit in the headlights, watching him and listening to him rant, thinking this was a crucial moment and that I was being totally watched by DD and shouldn't let H dictate to me like that, or deny me "permission" to go out. Rock and a hard place.

DD came to me, I went back in the kitchen, and H shut the door and held it so I couldn't open it. I shouted at him - "stop barricading me in the kitchen" - and after a few moments we got out. By the way, DS had been on his side of the door, so saw Daddy's behaviour {sad}

DD & I went in living room, sat on sofa, ignored H - he came in and loomed over us, glaring. i told him not to do that in front of DD. He said that cuddling DD wasn't getting the kitchen cleaned.

After a while, I went into the kitchen and DD followed me, bless her, and said she was going to help . We did all the fucking dishes and cleaned up, then were due to our cakes to a bake-off, so we got ready to go - and then found that H had buggered off in the car.

So I took DD and DS to where we were going, thinking that maybe H really had left. I got through the afternoon despite H's bullshit, and went to a women's meeting at the pub too, where everyone had brought their kids so the children all played while we chatted.

When we got home, I didn't know what to expect. H had cooked tea so we all had that. Long story short, after 1.5 days of (mutual) silence, H is speaking to me again, pretty much as if nothing happened. I've been reading about the cycle of charm-anger-explosion-calm that abusers use.

I've also been looking at benefits entitlements, spousal maintenance, child mainteneance, divorce settlements, and a house that's for rent in our village.

So sick of this shit.

OP posts:
SanitysSake · 01/03/2017 09:44

This broke my heart to read. I have seen this situation first hand through a friend's relationship. The damage it can do was remarkable. Damage that she tried to deny was happening to her children, but in he end, the chickens came home to roost when they started displaying similar behaviours.

Time after time incidents like these would happen. After the initial blow up, the calm after the storm, a bit of time, the belief it won't happen again, selective amnesia - until it does happen again- over and over - and it truly did became normalised. Almost to the point where in some bizarre universe, they'd try to lighten the situation after the event by saying things between the mother and kids in a collusive manner 'Oh, Dad was at it again!'.. Which was obviously not conveyed to the Dad concerned as it would just light the touch paper again.

It was awful. Humiliating. Debilitating. Hurtful and so so so destructive. Your two children must've been lost and very scared at what was happening around them. You're their world.

He was kicking off about some fucking dishes? C**t.

Please get out. He is NOT worth it. Your children most definitely ARE. x

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 01/03/2017 09:45

Pink, you are now at rock bottom, therefore, the only way is up !
In order to get back on your feet, you need support.
Reach out to friends, family and Women's Aid. Someone has already supplied you with the telephone number above.
All the help and information you need, is out there.
Please get yourself and your children, moving.
This kind of broken, cannot be fixed.

DavetheCat2001 · 01/03/2017 09:47

Haven't read all the replies yet, but seriously your H sounds a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

I'd be getting out asap and actually would have said 'off you go then' when he threatened to leave.

You don't need toxic shit like this in your life, and I really feel for you and your DC's having to live with such a wanker.

Going to read everyone else's replies now, and daresay you have received lots of good advice about contacting Women's Aid etc.

Please do and set yourself free from this rubbish. Life is too short.

contrary13 · 01/03/2017 09:54

Pink - no one is stuck... unless they choose to be. You can leave. You can pack up your children (who are scared, upset, miserable, and learning from their parents 'relationship' how to conduct their own when they are older - even if you think they're oblivious, believe me, they're not!) and you can leave.

Like PPs, your post brought back some memories of my own childhood, living with parents who sound just like you and your husband. Like another PP, my parents are the reason as to why I will never marry - and why I tend to keep my relationships away from my children. Watching my father pin my mother to a chair, bent backwards with her arms over her head, because she'd not hoovered the front room when I was 6 years old taught me that. They still don't know that I witnessed more than I ever let on. The marital rape whilst I was sleeping in the same room as them on holiday, the emotional abuse my mother doled out to my father (and still does - it's partly why they have limited contact with my son). I saw it all, I heard it all... and it made my entire childhood hell.

Your children know more about your relationship with their father than you think they do.

Protect them if you won't protect yourself.

LTB.

You'll survive. More importantly, it might introduce some normality for your poor children. It might teach your daughter that no man has the right to speak to/treat her the way that her father does her mother. It might teach your son that no man has the right to barricade/imprison a woman in any room, in any way, for any reason.

Good luck, Pink.

NewPuppyMum · 01/03/2017 10:38

I feel so upset for you and teary.

Please leave. You could be out by tea time if you want to be as there will be mumsnetters who will help make it happen.

I'm sure there was talk of a tag team of posters who will help with lifts to get you where you need to be, help pack etc etc. I'm not sure what happened but today could be the start of freedom for you and your children. You ha e a daughter who could grow up to be abused and a son who could grow in to be like dad. You don't want it. This is your chance. Be strong and take care.

JazzFunk · 01/03/2017 10:43

Pink I really hope you're still reading this thread and you're ok Flowers

Please, if it's all you can do for now, take one positive step towards leaving. Call WA, or call a friend you can trust, and tell them everything. There is help out there, you just need to ask for it Smile

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 01/03/2017 10:45

Pink
Gather together the important paperwork
Birth / marraige certificates
Passports
Bank account details
Any information you can find about his income / job
Paperwork for the car if its in your name
Also collect together sentimental items like photos, toys, baby clothes as I have no doubt he would trash stuff out of spite after making you beg to get them back. As soon as you are ready arrange for your family or friends to pick you and the children up and quietly leave. No fuss, no big showdown. There is nothing you can do or say that will "show him the error of his ways" or convince him he needs to change so don't bother having any discussions with him.
I fully understand why you sorted out the kitchen - he is very close to being physically violent to you if he is barricading you in rooms and looming over you. Sometimes it is more important to be safe than to win the argument.

tigerrun · 01/03/2017 10:50

It is great that it is all in his name (the rent etc) - you can leave without having to extricate yourself from it or take responsibility for all of that, also if he has all the money the same applies (you have nothing you can get help - if it looked like you had something, savings etc might affect your claim).

Please call Womens Aid - as you have nothing you will be entitled to benefits and emergency housing, especially with young children and escaping an abuser. Your daughter witnessed him forbidding you to leave until you fulfilled his wishes, don't let that be the blueprint for her future relationships (or your son for that matter).

Good luck, I hope you find the strength to get out Flowers

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 01/03/2017 10:56

Pink, can you come back and speak to us Lovely, we're concerned for you. 💐

Msqueen33 · 01/03/2017 10:59

I've got an 8 year old dd too. I wouldn't want her seeing this. All couples argue but this doesn't sound like a one off nor is it remotely acceptable. For your dd to be scared of her father isn't right. He sounds like a nut. Lots of hand holds but you know this isn't the right environment for you or your children.

CoolCarrie · 01/03/2017 11:08

New month OP, new start for you and your dc. Get your ducks in a row today, all paperwork as pp listed & call women's aid today.

ShakingAndShocked · 01/03/2017 11:17

Pink This is simply horrific and I am aching for you but you know what you have to do - you literally have no choice. You must leave.

I'm surprised no-one else has said this (although apologies to PPs if I missed it) but you absolutely should be calling the police, as in right now call the police. False Imprisonment (which is what he didAngry ) is a criminal offence, as is coercive control. Please, call the police, the officers will be trained in DV situations and I promise you will not be dismissed. Also call womens aid asap to ID your immediate options, and apply for a non-mol order which will buy you some breathing space in current home whilst you figure next moves out.

Please do not 'wait' - 2 women a week are killed by their partners and your OH sounds seriously unhinged. Truly please, call the police now, womens aid now, apply for an ex-parte ('on the day'/issued immediately without other party there if evidence is overwhelming enough which in your case it is in spades ESP. if you notify police) non-mol order.

If you want to talk please PM me and if you don't have funds for the court cost of applying for the non-mol order (again, it is a simple thing and I self represented when I did it and when not in the greatest of shape myself) then I will gladly pay them.

Please. Just act and act now. I am genuinely scared for you.

Topuptheglass · 01/03/2017 11:34

Your dd didn't get to her art class because you hadn't cleaned the kitchen? Sad how utterly sad. He punished you both as the house wasn't up to his standards?

This is so unfair & totally abusive.

Op - I know it's easy to say LTB but for the sake of your children, you really must make a plan & follow it through.

MrsA2015 · 01/03/2017 12:01

Pleasee please please leave this abuser. You and your children deserve better

MycatsaPirate · 01/03/2017 12:08

He's a control freak. Controls the money, the house, you and the dc.

Like others have said, start quietly making plans. You can get essential paperwork together, passports, birth certificates etc,

Call a women's refuge and see if they can take you and the dc in until you are sorted with housing benefit etc.

If you have a close friend nearby you can start moving things to their house, just essential documents and small items of clothing and even ask them to hold some money for you.

Good luck, you are doing the right thing.

ShakingAndShocked · 01/03/2017 12:19

OP Can you pop back just to let us know you're okay?

That said, I totally second the advice vis deleting browser history and ensuring OH does not know you have both an outlet and a source of support on hereFlowers

And apologies in advance for next post but just want to ensure you are as safe as possible.

ShakingAndShocked · 01/03/2017 12:24

DEAR CUNTAGES AT THE DAILY MAIL,

The situation described here is so unique that it will be wholly identifying of the OP - and thus place her at serious potential risk - if lifted and published.

Please know that if you lift this thread in another piece of spectacularly lazy 'journalism' that you will be creating very real risks. Please know if you do that whilst knowing that, then you really are a wankstain amongst outlets.

Regards,
Very long term MN'er who recalls when people in desperate situations could post without being scared their very real trauma could end up as mere click-bait for a lazy rag Angry

ghostwatch · 01/03/2017 12:33

Honestly Pink that is horrendous and sounds like an escalating dangerous position to be in. You need to get a plan in place because of the control issues here. How dare he. I rent and live in a village as a single mum and I get no money from either father of my dds. I work and I manage ok. If you need any advice from someone in the same position please pm me.

ArcheryAnnie · 01/03/2017 12:33

Hear, hear, ShakingandShocked.

RandomMess · 01/03/2017 12:43

Speak to Womens Aid and go to a refuge, ANYTHING is better than that and the damage it is doing to your DC.

Decide whether you want to relocate to near your family or stay in the current area. I really suggest relocating tbh as his abuse will continue after you leave. Please make contact with the refuge near your family and go there asap.

Flowers
PinkGlitter17 · 01/03/2017 13:01

Hello MN,
Oh my god. I've been reading every one of your posts. Thank you so much. The amassed voice is so strong now, it's giving me so much strength.
I am thinking we could go this Saturday. H will be just back from 3 night shifts so will be sleeping. DC and I are going to a bday party for dd's friend so could use that as chance for exit. I'm going to ask my brother to drive down and get us in the first instance.
I'm thinking of spending two weeks at my parents to start with.
I really can't express my thanks to you all enough. Feel like crying. Also a palpable feeling of excitement, surprisingly. I think that's how you know it's the right thing.

Xxxxxxxx

OP posts:
ChrisYoungFuckingRocks · 01/03/2017 13:05

make sure you leave a trail of evidence of his control issues

^^ This - very important.

I'm so glad you're taking steps to LTB Smile. It's scary as shit, but it's the right thing to do, and you'll be so glad you did. Please just don't give in to his begging, pleading and threats to go back to him, because he'll try anything and everything to regain the control he's lost.

We're all here for you Flowers.

MiddleClassProblem · 01/03/2017 13:07

Great to hear you have a plan in motion. Just keep acting normal in the mean time, maybe delete any messages on your phone that might alert him to it x

ArcheryAnnie · 01/03/2017 13:08

PinkGlitter good luck.

Flowers
usernoidea · 01/03/2017 13:14

You can totally do this and you will x sending you lots of strength and positivity
Doing this is a sign that you're a strong person and a bloody brilliant mum x

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