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H stepped the f*ckery up to another level this weekend.

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PinkGlitter17 · 28/02/2017 23:38

My god. I have a H who's financially and emotionally abusive, and 2 DCs (8 & 2.5). I was posting last week about his behaviour and got tons of LTB responses, which I agree with, and then on Sunday he stepped it up. I'm still in shock and keep having to remind myself that it really happened.

not a good start to a post, is it?

I was setting out with DD to go to an art workshop that morning, and had left the kitchen in a mess, dishes and cake-baking gear piled up on the side, all ready to do them when i returned 2 hrs later. H comes into kitchen with DS, sees pots, asks incredulously whether it was all stuff that needed washing. I said yes, and that I would do it when I got back.

And he said NO! I was not to go anywhere until the kitchen was clean, "the way it should be left". i fought my corner and said he couldn't stop me from going out, and was he forbidding me?! He just kept saying no, I wasn't going anywhere. I carried on putting my shoes on, could see DD looking scared, DS (2) just watching.

H then went into our bedroom, ranting at me about a) a job he had decided i must apply for but "hadn't been arsed to get" and had been pathetic about, and b) taking the kids to my parents' for 2.5 days over Xmas, when he was working 1 of those days and had kicked up endless shit about me doing it when he had said he really didn't want me to. He said if I went to the art class, that was it, we were done, and he would leave. i stood in the hallway like a rabbit in the headlights, watching him and listening to him rant, thinking this was a crucial moment and that I was being totally watched by DD and shouldn't let H dictate to me like that, or deny me "permission" to go out. Rock and a hard place.

DD came to me, I went back in the kitchen, and H shut the door and held it so I couldn't open it. I shouted at him - "stop barricading me in the kitchen" - and after a few moments we got out. By the way, DS had been on his side of the door, so saw Daddy's behaviour {sad}

DD & I went in living room, sat on sofa, ignored H - he came in and loomed over us, glaring. i told him not to do that in front of DD. He said that cuddling DD wasn't getting the kitchen cleaned.

After a while, I went into the kitchen and DD followed me, bless her, and said she was going to help . We did all the fucking dishes and cleaned up, then were due to our cakes to a bake-off, so we got ready to go - and then found that H had buggered off in the car.

So I took DD and DS to where we were going, thinking that maybe H really had left. I got through the afternoon despite H's bullshit, and went to a women's meeting at the pub too, where everyone had brought their kids so the children all played while we chatted.

When we got home, I didn't know what to expect. H had cooked tea so we all had that. Long story short, after 1.5 days of (mutual) silence, H is speaking to me again, pretty much as if nothing happened. I've been reading about the cycle of charm-anger-explosion-calm that abusers use.

I've also been looking at benefits entitlements, spousal maintenance, child mainteneance, divorce settlements, and a house that's for rent in our village.

So sick of this shit.

OP posts:
Bananamanfan · 01/03/2017 07:01

You have to leave, op. Flowers

DownTownAbbey · 01/03/2017 07:08

Try and see the positive side of your situation. You have no money of your own and no equity in a home to worry about. This means that your situation can only get better! You'll get Income Support if you leave so you'll have some cash until you get a job. Trust me, I've been in an EA and financially abusive relationship and living on benefits beats grovelling for crumbs and walking on eggshells.

I have a friend who is escaping a long term EA relationship. Her eldest son is repeating his father's abuse with his own girlfriend. He has spent twenty years learning how to be an abusive turd. Don't let your kids live like this! Flowers

Fairylea · 01/03/2017 07:08

By staying you are teaching your dd that this is a normal healthy relationship.

You need to leave. Today. If he barricades you in again ring the police and tell them he is abusing you and won't let you leave the house. Try to keep a mobile on you at all times. You can buy extremely cheap pay as you go ones that fit in a pocket discreetly.

pudding21 · 01/03/2017 07:31

PinkGlitter: your posts sound very familiar to me. I just left my EA ex 2 weeks ago. Hardest thing I have EVER had to do and I still feel very guilty and emotional. We had been together 21 years and have two gorgeous sons (8 and 5). He always been an angry man, which escalated over the last three years with added insecurities and low self esteem and alcohol dependency. Still when I am writing things down i can't believe he means to do it, I just don't think he knows how to behave.
My point is, he already crossed the line many times. This behaviour will only get worse. You will suffer and so will your kids. They should not be living on eggshells all the time, which I am sure you are. My kids are angry with me, they are sad, the are devastated. But I know in a few months when hopefully things start settling down, its the right thing for every one. I haven't slept properly in weeks, I am on autopilot but I know I already feel happier in my own space.
The washing up example is just one of many isn't it? Whenever I had been alone with the kids in our house, I always made sure that just before he came home I would run round and make sure everything was tidy, because he might get angry, or he might just give me a look, or he might complain that I was slovenly. Its coercive control. Sometimes it passive, sometimes aggressive but what it does it erodes your sense of self. I was a shell of my former self, and now I can feel my eyes opening again.
I would not say anything just yet, start doing practical things: open a new bank account in your name only if you don't have one already, start looking at all your finances, start photocopying stuff, have an exit plan in case you have to leave in a hurry. I did all this and rented a house secretly and started to get it all sorted for the boys. The I told him and I was gone in a couple of days. It was tough. Of course if you fear for your safety or your kids get out of there asap.
I know what you are thinking...... good luck Flowers

MrsBertBibby · 01/03/2017 07:38

Please don't be ashamed. Why are you ashamed? Because your husband treats you appallingly? That's for him to be ashamed of, not you.

Because you can't stop him? You shouldn't have to.

Because you can't drive? Come on!

You have nothing to stay for, and everything to gain by getting your kids out.

ItShouldHaveBeenJingleJess · 01/03/2017 08:02

loomed over us, glaring Everything about your post is dreadful, OP but this is the sentence that struck me the most, as it was my ex's favourite intimidation tactic. He used to tell me I was lucky to have him and he was a 'good' boyfriend because 'At least I don't hit you'. I can't begin to explain how shocking it is that I thought this was OK. The longer you and your children stay in this situation, the more you will begin to normalise it. Whatever your financial situation becomes, your LIVES will be better. I wish you courage and luck. You can do this.

jeaux90 · 01/03/2017 08:24

Honestly he won't change they never do.

Actually you are in a very good position because you have nothing to lose by going at all and everything to gain.

You can start again. You can go back to work and be a great example to your dc's

You can leave.

neonrainbow · 01/03/2017 08:29

Op even though people are berating you for doing the dishes, you did what you could to diffuse the situation of an angry man throwing his weight around in front of your children. More important is the long game of getting you and the kids out of there. Do not feel guilty for doing the dishes. Not doing them would have escalated the situation and your kids had already seen enough. Just get out of there as soon as you can.

Megatherium · 01/03/2017 08:30

He said if I went to the art class, that was it, we were done, and he would leave.

Why on earth didn't you say "Fine, off you go" and carry on? If he leaves, you sort out benefits first thing the next day and contact Women's Aid about claiming maintenance. The reality is of course that he wouldn't have left but it really wouldn't hurt to call his bluff.

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BantyCustards · 01/03/2017 08:37

I called my exe's bluff when he told me to fuck of out of his life: I ended up on the floor.

Calling an abusers bluff isn't necessarily a good idea and with him barricading her in the kitchen I fear he is a half step away from getting physical if his 'control' is threatened to be taken away from him.

NightWanderer · 01/03/2017 08:43

The thing is you can't change what has already happened, you can only change what happens now. What happened was fucking awful and he thinks he got away with it by normalizing the situation. Next time may well be much worse.

storynanny · 01/03/2017 08:47

Please leave.
30 years ago I escaped a short but financially and emotionally abusive marriage with a 2 and 4 year old. I was helped by friends who had cars and I just took as much as we could carry whilst he was out of the house.
I now have happy, well adjusted adult sons with families of their own, which is is not what would have happened if we had stayed.
Stay brave and strong, it is impossible for anyone who hasn't done it to know how terrifying leaving is. It took me about 18 months to be strong enough to just do it.

Teabay · 01/03/2017 08:59

OP. I can completely understand why you washed the dishes - because he said to.

In my old life I was a headteacher who ran a school with 30 staff and a £1 million budget.
When I walked through the door at home each evening (in a house I paid for) I was on eggshells, I put my shoes in the wrong place, I was a crap cook, a messy mare, I abandoned my DC to go to work, people were laughing at me, who did I think I was, I was a fucking cunt and a crap wife.

After 18 years I left when the DC started to be at the end of his temper and sulks too. I don't even try to pretend that the DC weren't affected from the day they were born, but when the eldest was 9 I suddenly decided one morning that enough was ENOUGH.

Your life BEGINS here. You are waaaay stronger than him - that's why he behaves in the cowardly way he does.

Thinking of you CakeBrew

theansweris42 · 01/03/2017 09:12

pink I was you. This is the start of your leaving.
You'll get out. I know you will.
Can you go to family? Pack secretly over a couple of days then throw them in car and go with DC while he sleeps?
You can start a new life. I have. Loads of women do.
Support for you Flowers

Chloe84 · 01/03/2017 09:18

Teabay

What a bastard. What happened when you left? Great to hear the positives of leaving a bad relationship.

StormZelda · 01/03/2017 09:20

I think you did the right thing doing the dishes.

What really matters is that the cogs in your brain are shifting. Creating this thread. Viewing things in a new light. confronting the truth. Making plans.

This is what matters. You just did the safest thing doing the dishes.

xx

rightsofwomen · 01/03/2017 09:24

OP Flowers

I haven't read the whole thread, but enough to know what's going on.

It's very easy for people to say you need to stand up to him. It's not that easy though, is it.

"Just do xyz" people would say, or "I wouldn't stand for that", or "don't let him bully you".

But when you know that standing up to him will result in abuse why would you put yourself through that, or expose your children to it?

For years I just did what made my life calm. I'm out of it now and still dealing mentally with it all, and because I knew it would be hard it took me YEARS to find the courage to do it.

BlueFolly · 01/03/2017 09:29

Weather or not you did the dishes is irrelevant, so long as you ultimately leave.

Astro55 · 01/03/2017 09:33

Start doing as others have said - find paperwork passports - look into arranging for some stuff to leave the house - store it at a friends - get them on board for support -

Then you need to leave - for good

MarvelMummy13 · 01/03/2017 09:35

www.womensaid.org.uk this is clearly Domestic abuse Op . And in the long run it will be better for yourself and your children if you leave when you can. You need to show those children that this isn't a normal relationship . I wish you all the best Op

ArcheryAnnie · 01/03/2017 09:39

He's nuts, and dangerous.

Plan your escape, and don't let him know that you are planning your escape.

(He should be in prison for what he's doing.)

Good luck, OP. Keep us updated, if you can.

WateryTart · 01/03/2017 09:39

Please, please for your own sake and the sake of your children get out now.

Serialweightwatcher · 01/03/2017 09:43

You know exactly what you should do and that's why you're asking? If you thought this was normal and acceptable, you'd just let it go over your head, but it's not doing and you're worried that your children are seeing and hearing all of this. You should have stayed in the kitchen and threatened to call the police as he was basically holding you against your will ... you need to contact someone or a woman's charity and make sure others know what is happening and they can advise you of how to go about this - don't keep letting him bring you down - if he wants it to work, he needs to sort out his own issues - bloody control freak

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