What kind of men use prostitutes?

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Dh has an outside job which involves spending time on various roads within towns and villages.
A couple of weeks ago he was working on a street in our local town. An everyday street with semi detached homes.
After a day or so Dh and his work colleagues noticed one particular house had a lot of 'visitors'. All the visitors were well dressed men arriving in nice cars. It averaged around 4 men per hour!
At lunchtime a car pulled up (the driver had pizzas) and the door was opened,there was an older woman in the hallway and several younger looking women loitering in the hallway also.

Dh and workmates are convinced it was a brothel. Over the weeks that they were working there they would glare at the men going in and said some of them looked very embarrassed once they realised they had been noticed, one even parked in a nearby supermarket and tried to get in the back way.
I know these things go on but what got me was the thought that surely, several, if not most of these men must have (oblivious?!) partners etc.

Yes. The onus should never be on vulnerable people to protect themselves. It should be on those who have the power to hurt them to not do so. That is very difficult for many people to grasp.

Oh fgs Offred is being perfectly clear. What is your point, sleeping?

A spot of trolling I imagine.

No trolling. Seriously.

I do not understand that last post from Venus directed very clearly at me. It is badly written and I do not understand the syntax.

I cannot be any clearer.

What do you find difficult to understand sleeping?

Yy to the point re the criminalising of sex workers.

Male entitlement is one thing and men are a different thing.

Men and women can support the concept of male entitlement.

Men and women can oppose the concept of male entitlement.

You mean Offred, surely.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Would you care to explain why you think 'porn is the bigger battleground'?

Porn is certainly more ubiquitous, but I think purchasing sex causes more harm (directly) so both are important for different reasons.

(And they are part of the same continuum)

I usually relied on Spidey senses , from the phonecall email or text, like the tone of the person - abrupt was a red flag as was demanding sounding , anyone who didn't address me with at least a hello or please or thank you, anyone who sounds like they may have an issue getting into the building discreetly, anyone who tried to haggle the price, checking the number against ugly mugs warnings for the area, watching them approaching the building , basically anything other than straightforward asking for a time and directions and possibly a brief non explicit summary of what services they want , is a red flag , either for a timewaster or a bad cluent. Punters generally won't give their full names or anything. In the end though even the most polite and clean clients I dreaded seeing , because it was still forcing myself only for the money. Screening does weed out some but some extremely unpleasant ones passed the screening with flying colours, just sounding like a normal guy. including the one who attacked me, and ones who attacked friends of mine.

It also costs money to work - the price of an apartment or hotel room if you don't want the added risk of working from home , about 70 plus a day plus travel and advertising at ten a day min , so you have to do one or two just to break even , which can cloud risk judgement on a quiet day

I fight porn everyday.

Everyday it kills more souls than you can imagine. It is hidden. It is massive. Prostitution is not so hidden, it involves physical interaction which involves people. It is tangible, significantly smaller than porn and can be intervened.

Porn in my experience is as dangerous to humanity as the felling of the rain forests are to humans. Porn can change the way our daughters and grand-daughters perceive the world, the rain forests feed a round ball with all the oxygen we need.

Living in Newcastle won't help when the oxygen stops. Porn is global also. It comes down through the tiles into our homes.

IMO although I have no experience of porn other than ex partners watching it , porn is just a filmed, more accessible version of prostitution. The actors and actresses involved they do have physical interaction - for money . and they are people.

Sounds like you need some sleep, Sleeping
Though I would agree that porn is dangerous to humanity....

porn is just a filmed, more accessible version of prostitution

Except that porn filmed in Mexico, Colombia or Ukraine does not generally have the same outcome as a tourist having sex with a prostitute in London.

For example.

Yeah I bloody hate porn. Agree with Have that it's part of the same issue though.

I think it feeds the same dangerous attitude towards women and consent, sleeping.

I do not agree it is the same issue, for reasons stated before.

Forget origination, think about destination.

There is a fundamental difference between porn and prostitution.

Arrghhhh!!

Diminishing returns, so I am out. I will go back to the real life day job.

There is no need for frustration or passive aggressive posts. Just explain your point, maybe this time without mentioning the rainforest.

I have explained my point very clearly. The rain forests are an analogy which I stand by.

That porn doesn't involve people but prostitution does? And so porn is worse?

That doesn't make any sense. Porn definitely involves people - those in it, those distributing it, those watching it.

And you haven't explained why you think it's worse than sex work, or why you think the issue of porn is distinct from gendered violence, oppression or coerced consent.

Go back and read my posts again please. I think you may have misread them, on every count.

Believe me, I've tried, several times. There are lots of posts in this thread I disagree with, but at least they're intelligible.

The fact you can't even succinctly sum up your argument now, despite several requests, leads me to think you don't actually have one.