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Sperm donors mother wants to be involved

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Billi77 · 01/02/2017 15:57

Hello. I will try and keep this brief. In short I have a beautiful 8 month old DD and a DP. She was conceived at home using AI with a gay friend who lives in Italy. We drew up an agreement together before she was born saying we had no joint custody and I had sole responsibility but he was entitled to visit every couple of months. fast forward to her (difficult C section) birth and his first visit when I was in hospital. His mother was on the speaker phone telling me what I should or shouldn't do! Thankfully the morphine muffled her but the alarm bells were ringing. He stayed a week and I let him visit every day and he'd FaceTime his family without asking me. I had told him I didn't want them at the birth and he didn't bring them. But they came a few weeks later and the mother was in uber Italian mother in law mode. Coral gifts from her friends, the works. I politely endured her, her daughter, his charmless niece and his boyfriend (whom the mother wouldn't let hold my DD because it was charmless niece's turn!). He's been with his BF for 9 years..... it seems they are using my DD to heterosexualise her father. And I feel they are guilt tripping him and he's doing this out of guilt or perhaps to appease them in some way.
He's been visiting more than every couple of months and keeps doing the FaceTime thing.
He then wanted to come again with his family at Christmas and I said no.
Now I've buckled and he's coming with his mother (not his BF) next weekend. Guilt trips are contagious.
So I need advice. Am I being unreasonable or am I being over accommodating? What would you do if you'd unwittingly inherited an Italian mother in law?
Am having huge anxiety over all of this and feel like it was my own stupid fault for lacking foresight.

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Prettybaffled · 12/02/2017 21:17

Just for the record ( and op I know you already knew this) www.nataliegambleassociates.co.uk/knowledge-centre/parenthood-after-donor-conception-sperm-donors-and-co-parent-fathers says this Dan:

"A sperm donor is not the legal father if he donates by artificial insemination to a married or civilly partnered couple who are both legal parents (see our pages on parenthood for men using donor sperm and lesbian non-birth mothers). If there is no second legal parent, he is the legal father, irrespective of what the parents agree or what is recorded on the birth certificate."

Prettybaffled · 12/02/2017 21:23

I'm sure you've seen this page already op www.nataliegambleassociates.co.uk/knowledge-centre/known-donor-disputes

There are several cases and this one is interesting:

'In the Court of Appeal Case of A v B and C (2012), the court allowed a biological father to see his son regularly, even though he had agreed with the child's lesbian mothers at the outset that he would have no involvement (again there was no written agreement). The court rejected the concept of primary and secondary parents, saying that this risked demeaning the important role a known father could offer, and said that the only principle was that child welfare was paramount.'

I think it would be good to get some advice from a lawyer with experience in this area. I should say I have no personal experience of the firm I've pasted links from.

0nline · 12/02/2017 21:34

I can offer you one upside.

All that streamrolling and inability to consider anybody else's comfort zones/boundaries can come in quite handy when the child becomes a stroppy teenager.

I've seen well 'ard, hormonally challenged hoodies and hoodettes that tower over their teeny tiny nonna just give up, and slink off as ordered to mass/the market/school when the irresistible force meets the immovable object (that suddenly discovers its inner castors)

My MIL unfortunately died before DS turned into a teenager. He's pretty easy going, but if he ever does go rogue on me I know I'll wish she was still here. She could make policemen quail and wish they'd taking a cushier job, like in the bomb disposal unit. A teenager would have stood no chance, no matter how many "I never asked to born"s they flung about.

Not that I am wishing a future stroppy teen on you . But in the worst of it when she is around and smacking you on so many cultural hot spots that it feels unbearable, it might help to immagine that one day she could come in very handy.

Anything that gets you through the steamrollering a bit
ess painfully is a good thing.

And by anything I do include copious amounts of hard alcohol if necessary Grin

Billi77 · 13/02/2017 18:23

Good point but that's a lot of waiting and endurance testing....

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Billi77 · 13/02/2017 18:23

And of course my little angel will never ever be a stroppy teen ever

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0nline · 13/02/2017 18:41

Good point but that's a lot of waiting and endurance testing....

Oh 13 years will fly by !

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