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Hunbunscarybitch is still here

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Hunbunscarybitch · 27/01/2017 18:25

I've posted about this before only under another name. If you've read this previously then I'm sorry if I'm boring anyone to death....so here goes:

In our 50s, 2nd marriage of 14 years. First 2 -3 years of marriage were fantastic and I thought , somewhat naively, I'd met my "soul mate". He was fantastic in helping me bring up my teenage children, for which I will always be grateful. They are grown up now.

About ten years ago, I had a gut feeling things weren't right. We'd been through a lot of stress with my children, H's job and my dad was terminally ill. H was snappy and seemed disinterested in me. I've never snooped before but I looked in his wallet and found a "no strings " sex website written down. I confronted him and he said it must've "fell" in his wallet off his computer screen ( one of his colleagues had stuck it there as a joke). When I pointed out it was in his hand writing he told me he was looking at a friend's fwb profile. When I didn't believe that he admitted he hadn't looked at website but copied it down out of curiosity. My dad died 2 days later so I "parked" that but if ever I brought it up he was very annoyed.

So the last ten years...... I love my H dearly. He's kind to animals, caring to his elderly parents, makes me laugh. However, he won't go on holidays as he says he's too stressed with work. We haven't been for even a weekend away. I must admit I've resented this and I've communicated this to him and he always says " there'll be time for us in the future " . I haven't moped about and I have had fantastic holidays over the years with friends and family. I have a great social life and a wonderful job. The only thing missing in my life is being made to feel special by my H. He works away and when he's at home he's often working on his laptop at the weekends or visiting his elderly parents. In my heart, I know things haven't been right and I've tried to talk to him and even write to him but nothing has changed despite him saying he put more time into our marriage.

The last six months I thought things were improving as we started going to the gym together and going for meals. In November however, my son was looking in the garage and my H's bag toppled over ( his car was being serviced so he'd put contents of boot in the garage) and out fell condoms ( in date) and viagra. I made a frenzied search of another bag and I found a different make of condom which was obviously from a multi pack. Confronted H and he nonchalantly said " oh I should have thrown them away " . He then said he'd bought them for my son - lies. He then expected me to believe he'd pressed the wrong button on the machine!! The viagra he said didn't work as he'd tried one , on his own, out of interest, so it was a fake pub machine one.A week later he admitted he'd wanted sex with someone else but didn't do it.........

So, I don't know about you but would you believe a man would go to the trouble of buying condoms on 2 different occasions plus viagra without a plan or a particular woman, be it a work colleague or an escort in mind? This is the story he's sticking to after all these weeks and he will not say anything apart from "I didn't go through with it" and " I had no one in mind". He acts like I'm crazy woman not believing him. Please could you give me your honest opinion? I intend to show him this thread.

OP posts:
ICantThinkOfAUsernameH · 27/01/2017 19:01

What a dick! I echo what pp say.
FlowersCakeWine

Hunbunscarybitch · 27/01/2017 19:06

This is how warped I am at the moment. He keeps saying he isn't lying to me so I text him today and asked .....
"If a few months ago if I'd asked you to reassure me you'd never bought condoms during our marriage would you reply:

  1. I would never buy condoms as I'm married to you ( so you'd lie to save hurting my feelings as we both know you bought them) OR
  2. Yes I have as I've thought about having sex with someone else ( thus telling the truth but hurting me) He said " I would tell you the truth but always try not to upset you, I tell the truth as I priority but I'm mindful of your feelings " but he then went on to say that he hadn't through with having sex with someone else. No wonder I feel like I'm going mad. I just want and need the truth.
OP posts:
Beebeeeight · 27/01/2017 19:07

He's gaslighting you.

Hunbunscarybitch · 27/01/2017 19:10

As H is going to be reading this when I'm ready to show him please could someone explain "gaslighting" to him because I'm sure you'll do it better than me. Thank you everyone

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Cherryskypie · 27/01/2017 19:12

I don't understand what you hope to gain from showing him the thread or from texting him about condoms. He has the condoms, the viagra and has had ample time and opportunities to use them. What more do you need to know?

RandomMess · 27/01/2017 19:13

In some matters it doesn't matter what he has or hasn't done.

You know he has lied previously, nothing has changed about his attitude or behaviour to help improve your marriage.

If you want to end it, end it, you don't need his permission or "the truth" he isn't going to accept any fault/blame.

Hunbunscarybitch · 27/01/2017 19:16

Yes you're right Random and if it was a friend I'd be offering the same advice but I've been blindsided by the person I trusted and I feel very vulnerable

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JennyOnAPlate · 27/01/2017 19:18

His excuses are utterly ridiculous. He's clearly cheating.

I'm so sorry op but you deserve so much better Flowers

CocoaX · 27/01/2017 19:25

The thing is every time you ask him, you give him a chance to create spaghetti in your head.

Though to an extent he admits he bought condoms, thus telling the truth - but also says he had not thought it through, thus trying not to hurt your feelings. So an internal consistency- whether of a lie or a truth who knows? But he is hardly going to tell you based on anything on here, if he hasn't told you already.

Velvian · 27/01/2017 19:28

I think he has had sex with multiple partners, OP. When he's working away, visiting his parents & probably when he coming home to you too.
You won't get any honest answers from him. If he hasn't said it no one knows he's done it. Do make sure that you tell everyone why your marriage is ending.

Gildedcage · 27/01/2017 19:28

I remember you. His reasoning made no more sense then than it does now. He must really question your intelligence. Let's just suppose he found those or similar items in a gym bag being kept in the garage...found those searches on your laptop...do you think he would believe you? I imagine that it put your son in an awkward situation. Is it in better that he was only thinking about it and buying the condoms etc? Cos if that's the least he could be doing that's still horrendous. I think you know though what you believe and that ain't it.

TondelayaDellaVentamiglia · 27/01/2017 19:31

I think he is knobbing anyone he can pay to put his grubby little hands on, or wishes he was.

VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 27/01/2017 19:34

Get an STI check. Both of you.

What do you gain from this marriage? This is not a partnership, there is no equality, care, concern, love or trust left.

Leave him. Seriously. Or at least plan to.

Whether he's f@cking other women or not, he's under untrustworthy, unloving b@stard who clearly doesn't know what he wants. He doesn't deserve a marriage where he couldn't care less about how his selfish arrogant behaviour is affecting the woman he is supposed to love. And you don't deserve to have to live like that either.

In my opinion he's shagging something, whether he's paying money for it or not.

maras2 · 27/01/2017 19:35

Hack his email.
Check his phone(s) There's bound to be more than one.
Get an STI test.
He's such an accomplished liar but is really insulting your intelligence with this latest nonsense.

ImperialBlether · 27/01/2017 19:35

He's working away, too, isn't he?

Personally I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He's buying condoms, ffs! He's going on hook up sites. He's lying and lying and lying.

That's beside him not going on holiday with you - what the hell is that about?

It wouldn't surprise me if this man didn't have a whole other life going on.

And I would never show him this site - you need a safe place.

Disastronaut · 27/01/2017 19:38

I think while you're having to go on holidays by yourself, he's either at home shagging someone else or away doing the same thing.

Sorry OP, this is shitty.

If you're the husband reading this:
Tell her the truth, you lying twat

HeavenlyEyes · 27/01/2017 19:39

please don't show him this thread.

But in case you do - Sir you are a gaslighting, cheating, lying prick.

And OP please get yourself a SHL and get fecking rid of this foul man.

Don't you think you deserve better? And get yourself some counselling too and please go and find your bloody self esteem. Stop waiting for this horrid man to want you at all costs. He doesn't respect women and he does not give a jot about you.

joystir59 · 27/01/2017 19:50

Get some counselling via your Gp. You cannot see the wood for the trees because he as been lying to you for so very long and you have been swallowing his lies, at least in part. Counselling will help you gain clear perspective and work out what you want to do. Showing him this thread will not achieve anything- you are handing your power to act in this situation to the Mumsnet forum ffs!

Aquamarine1029 · 27/01/2017 20:00

The way to show him his lies aren't fooling anybody is to KICK HIM OUT.

wherearemymarbles · 27/01/2017 20:12

Of course he is lying its what cheaters do.
condoms in the car as he had them when he met his last woman.

Do you know he he actually see's this parents when he says he does?
I suppose you could check the mileage on his car on a weekly basis and see if it adds up.

Or get a PI.

But that will confirm he is cheating. He was looking into 10 years ago. He just got more careful.
Sorry !

Shayelle · 27/01/2017 20:19

He sounds like dirt. What were you thinking, staying?!!

whostolethesocks · 27/01/2017 20:21

Flowers So sorry OP. I've had the lies myself. The way they make you feel like you're in the wrong, going mad, etc. It's awful. You need to leave him.

LIZS · 27/01/2017 20:22

If it helps dh wouldn't believe him either, sorry.

Aquamarine1029 · 27/01/2017 20:29

Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or group, hoping to make the target (you) question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Your husband is manipulating you emotionally, and sadly you're allowing it. Of COURSE he's going to continue to lie. There has been absolutely no consequences for him for lying, why would he stop?

Livelovebehappy · 27/01/2017 20:31

What you've discovered is probably just a very small part of what he's hidden from you. Men are normally very careful at keeping stuff covered up, but once they start being careless it usually means they have been messing about for ages and have just got sloppy ie; leaving condoms and viagra lying around in your garage. He is absolutely 100% cheating on you, and probably has been for a very long time.