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Is this emotional abuse or normal?

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user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:12

My long term boyfriend suffers with anxiety/depression and panic attacks. This year has been worse due to the loss of his father. Most of the time he is kind, generous, friendly, everybody likes him. He is great at giving advice and talking to people about their problems and help others need.

He has always overreacted to the smallest things with me and cannot seem to manage any kind of negativity in a rational way, so most of the time when he does something that upsets me or is inappropriate, I just let it slide.

However, every month he will absolutely blow up about something totally innocuous, it will usually be on a friday on weekend when he has his dc and we won't see each other. No matter what I say, how I defend myself, everything is wrong, everything is my fault. He will say, your family love me, I'd never do that, I'm there for everyone and bleat on about how perfect he is and how awful I am. This week I have been really ill, I caught it from him. I fuss over him when he's ill, I get medicine, cook for him, tell him to stay in bed, in the middle of the night, if he woke I'd ask he needs anything, he'd say no it's fine, but I'd go downstairs get him some lemsip or something or coffee and bring it up. He had panic attacks in the night, I'd get up with him, chat, hold him until it passed, told him I loved him. He thanks me for taking such good care of him.

Anyway I ended up really bad with it, with such a bad throat I couldn't talk for 3 days, bleeding throat, I really just should have been in bed. Instead what I did was go with him to a family dinner one night, worked for him in his office for a few hours on a job he asked me to do where I was not 100% myself. Of course I wasn't, I couldn't talk, spoke in whispers when needed and felt really bad, but didn't want to let him down. What I got for that was not thanks and empathy, was a tirade of text abuse about how I acted disinterested, rude and couldn't be bothered with his family, I couldn't believe it. I reminded him how ill I was (how ill he had been), I should have been in bed.

The text abuse has continued all weekend and extended into probably every argument we have had over the last 5 years, every aspect of my personality, how I am at work, with his family, how I am at gym... Anything and everything!?! Every month he does this to me. I walk on eggshells and now I'm paranoid about being ill, paranoid about how I act, the look on my face, what I say to people. My family do love him, but the thing is everytime he unleashes a ton of shit on me, I don't tell them because I want them to like him. I protect his reputation with my family. But this is killing me. I think he needs help. Some days he will say I will go to counselling, I needs some meds, what do you think? And then other days he'll say I'm not going to counselling, I don't need anything, I'm fine. He tells me he tells his family all about our dramas and I worry that they are getting a very unbalanced view of what is going on-I think it's a violation that he tells them tbh.

Sorry if this long and it may not seem like much, he is not physically abusive but I feel so depressed over this, nothing is ever his fault, and he completely ignores anything I say and just keeps repeating the same thing then tells me I've taken it too deep! Two months ago, he screamed 'I'm done, I'm out!' and told me good luck. He let me suffer for days and then told me he hadn't said it. He is a good man, but he has mental health issues and needs help. I think though he would rather destroy me and our relationship than get that help. He doesn't behave this way with anyone else, just me.

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Maverickismywingman · 04/12/2016 10:16

Didn't want to read and run Flowers
You sound like you have been a massively supportive partner and you deserve some of that support and self care back.

TheSparrowhawk · 04/12/2016 10:16

He is a severely abusive arsehole. He behaves this way with you because you take it. Stop being his punching bag. Walk away.

twattymctwatterson · 04/12/2016 10:17

He's not a good man. He's abusive. You're changing your behaviour to try to pacify him, you're lying to your family to cover for him and he's gaslighting you. Do you have anyone you can talk to about this in real life?

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:19

Thanks for messages. I'm welling up just at being able to share this. Sometimes I have thought it's me, it must be. And I know I will get a text at about 4pm asking if I'm home and if he can come over. Like nothing has happened. Sad

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Berthatydfil · 04/12/2016 10:19

He is abusing you.
Leave

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:21

I told my brother just now for the first time and I was so desperate for an opinion, I had to let him read the entire chain of texts. He was so shocked and surprised, but he read it with his own eyes. He says that he (bf) hides it really well.

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TheSparrowhawk · 04/12/2016 10:21

When he texts just tell him no, he can't come over, you don't want to see him again.

PoldarksBreeches · 04/12/2016 10:22

Yes it is absolutely abuse, it's extreme and very serious. If it was due to his mental health issues he would be like this with everyone but he isn't.
You have to leave him, it's the only thing to do.

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 04/12/2016 10:25

Mental health problems do not excuse this type of behaviour. He doesn't respect you or boundaries-talking about you to his family. He has you as a metaphorical punching bag. And you cannot fix him. Look after yourself and get rid.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/12/2016 10:30

Its not you, its him. He has found something within you he can and has exploited.

He is not a good man and he is abusive at heart. Some men do use mental health issues as an excuse to be abusive, there is no excuse or justification.

Most abusers can be plausible to those in the outside world but you are seeing his true nature. Such men really do hate women, all of them. He is gaslighting you as well as committing a criminal offence in sending you abusive text messages. Abuse does not just have to be physical in nature. Abuse is also about power and control.

He must absolutely not be your boyfriend any more because he will continue to destroy you from the inside out. Block him entirely now from your life and if he does show up at your house call the police. You must not see him ever again. Your brother now knows what this man is like and he should be able to help you as well.

Womens Aid would also be worth talking to on 0808 2000 247.

I would also suggest you enrol on Womens Aid Freedom Programme as a matter of urgency as this will help you move forward as well. He acts like this also because he can, you are currently his emotional punchbag.

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:31

I know he isn't the same person he used to be and I don't want to change from who I am. I am a good person I think, I try to give 100% to everyone not just him. When his df passed, I was there for his whole family, they all thanked me for everything I did for them. And my middle dc said I feel really sorry for you mum and I said why darling it's dp's dad? She said because this is going to go very bad on dp and you will have to deal with it.

I know the grief is real and that compounds the other issues and
I know you guys must hear this all the time, but how do you leave someone you love? Especially when you know that they need help and need you to help them? Because no one else in their lives knows the truth of it? They all think he's doing great.

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TheSparrowhawk · 04/12/2016 10:35

You are not his saviour. It is not your duty to rescue him. It is not your duty to give 100% to everyone. You are a worthwhile person in yourself, no matter what you do or don't do for others.

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:37

Thank you Sparrowhawk and everybody for the support Flowers

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fc301 · 04/12/2016 10:37

It's not up to you to save him PLEASE PLEASE SAVE YOURSELF.
In normal relationships both parties accept that they are not perfect and care enough about the other to compromise.
From you post I get :
He is charming with everyone, but didn't value you.
You are unable to express your true feelings/ they are not given value.
He will lose it for no reason AND blame it all on you.
He doesn't care for your health. It's merely an inconvenience to him. He expects you to be constantly available.
He is extremely selfish.
If you are upset that is your fault too, you are being over sensitive.
He rewrites history to delete anything bad he did.
None of this reflects badly on you (you have been amazing) so please don't continue hiding this.
HE WILL NOT CHANGE.

PoldarksBreeches · 04/12/2016 10:38

Your poor kids. They are watching you being abused. Is he their dad?

skyyequake · 04/12/2016 10:39

Hi user I know almost exactly how you feel. I know you think he's a good person, and I know you want to be supportive and understanding of his various issues and mental illnesses. I know you think if you can just get him some counselling, or just get him to listen, or just say the right thing to get through to him, then it'll all be ok and he'll change. I'm sorry to say that he won't. He has no reason to change. At the moment he gets you doting on him, bending over backwards to suit him, monitoring your own behaviour to please him... He has absolute control over you.

After I broke up with my ex and spike to other people who have experience abuse was when I realised how bad it had really been. I had minimised and excused so much of his behaviour, simply because I loved him and wanted to be understanding and forgiving. He took advantage. Your partner is taking advantage of your love for him.

When I told my aunt what he had really been like she said almost the exact same thing as your brother - "he puts on a very good act." Because that's what they do, they convince everyone else of their goodness to try and isolate you from them, so you won't tell them for fear of being disbelieved. Even my own dad doesn't know because I worry he won't believe me.

I know I can't convince you to leave, but maybe do some research into abusive behaviours and cycles. If you feel you need help or advice then you can call Women's Aid or a local domestic abuse charity. And no they won't turn you away just because he hasn't hit you, I was worried about that too but it won't happen. I also recommend looking into the Freedom Programme and asking if there is one starting up near you. It's been a massive source of support to me and has really helped open my eyes.

Whenever you feel ready feel free to PM me and I'll try and help you find some resources to support you.

Wishing you the best, you don't deserve this treatment, you are worth more than this Flowers

theansweris42 · 04/12/2016 10:39

My exP did similar.
Emotional abuse. The cycle seems to be a month long?
Do lots of reading and thinking.
Don't even engage with arguing /defending yourself.
I wish I'd left my ex long long long before I did. Flowers for you

sorryIam · 04/12/2016 10:40

You need to leave, mental health issues do not give anyone the right to treat another person in such a horrible way, get out of this relationship, you deserve so much better.

skyyequake · 04/12/2016 10:45

Oh and also I have depression, anxiety and am looking into getting a professional ADHD/ADD diagnosis... I don't abuse people. Mental illness is an excuse they use, much like some use alcohol or drugs as an excuse. They're excusing their behavior to themselves as "they can't help it" so they don't feel any pressure to change.

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:45

No he is not their dad. My dc are 14, 17 and 19 and have a great relationship with their dd. They are aware of my dp's issues and get on with him really well, but recently they are more aware and the two that live at home (one at uni) have said that although they care for my dp, that we would all be fine without him. They said they love him 'for me', but that as he is not their dd, they would support whatever I decided.

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user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:47

And yes, the cycle is about a month long, sometimes two weeks, I asked myself yesterday whether it's designed to sabotage my weekends with my kids when he's with his?

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PoldarksBreeches · 04/12/2016 10:48

Your kids are telling you they don't love him and don't want him around!

ijustwannadance · 04/12/2016 10:49

You leave because he doesn't love you. He is detriying you slowly and seems to delight in it. Your bloody children can even see it ffs. Protect them be protecting yourself.

You have taken a massive step by telling your DB. Keep that momentum and do not let him in again.

skyyequake · 04/12/2016 10:51

Sabotaging the time you spend away from him is a classic tactic used by abusers so I'm inclined to agree with you there. It's designed to keep you on edge even when he's not physically there. I used to get panic attacks when I went out because I was scared of bumping into someone I knew and him somehow finding out. I could feel his eyes on me even when he was nowhere near me.

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:52

And in terms of the grief, he tells me he is struggling, he has actually said 'do you think that (something that I mention to him) is more important than what I'm going through? God, don't I have enough to deal with... ? I've just lost my df, etc. And that also immediately makes me think that nothing I feel is worth anything. So if I on a good day, mention something that has upset me or left me feeling a bit meh, you know, he'll bring his grief into it and immediately make me feel guilty when a simple hug or i'm sorry would have fixed it... So this year I'm left with NO valid feelings whatsoever. Yet when my fil passed this year, he raged at me for days about how upset he was that I didn't 'ask' him if i could go and see him, how my grief was 'coming between us' and the I had to 'sort it out'. When his mum passed I didn't work for a week, just to look after him.

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