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Is this emotional abuse or normal?

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user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:12

My long term boyfriend suffers with anxiety/depression and panic attacks. This year has been worse due to the loss of his father. Most of the time he is kind, generous, friendly, everybody likes him. He is great at giving advice and talking to people about their problems and help others need.

He has always overreacted to the smallest things with me and cannot seem to manage any kind of negativity in a rational way, so most of the time when he does something that upsets me or is inappropriate, I just let it slide.

However, every month he will absolutely blow up about something totally innocuous, it will usually be on a friday on weekend when he has his dc and we won't see each other. No matter what I say, how I defend myself, everything is wrong, everything is my fault. He will say, your family love me, I'd never do that, I'm there for everyone and bleat on about how perfect he is and how awful I am. This week I have been really ill, I caught it from him. I fuss over him when he's ill, I get medicine, cook for him, tell him to stay in bed, in the middle of the night, if he woke I'd ask he needs anything, he'd say no it's fine, but I'd go downstairs get him some lemsip or something or coffee and bring it up. He had panic attacks in the night, I'd get up with him, chat, hold him until it passed, told him I loved him. He thanks me for taking such good care of him.

Anyway I ended up really bad with it, with such a bad throat I couldn't talk for 3 days, bleeding throat, I really just should have been in bed. Instead what I did was go with him to a family dinner one night, worked for him in his office for a few hours on a job he asked me to do where I was not 100% myself. Of course I wasn't, I couldn't talk, spoke in whispers when needed and felt really bad, but didn't want to let him down. What I got for that was not thanks and empathy, was a tirade of text abuse about how I acted disinterested, rude and couldn't be bothered with his family, I couldn't believe it. I reminded him how ill I was (how ill he had been), I should have been in bed.

The text abuse has continued all weekend and extended into probably every argument we have had over the last 5 years, every aspect of my personality, how I am at work, with his family, how I am at gym... Anything and everything!?! Every month he does this to me. I walk on eggshells and now I'm paranoid about being ill, paranoid about how I act, the look on my face, what I say to people. My family do love him, but the thing is everytime he unleashes a ton of shit on me, I don't tell them because I want them to like him. I protect his reputation with my family. But this is killing me. I think he needs help. Some days he will say I will go to counselling, I needs some meds, what do you think? And then other days he'll say I'm not going to counselling, I don't need anything, I'm fine. He tells me he tells his family all about our dramas and I worry that they are getting a very unbalanced view of what is going on-I think it's a violation that he tells them tbh.

Sorry if this long and it may not seem like much, he is not physically abusive but I feel so depressed over this, nothing is ever his fault, and he completely ignores anything I say and just keeps repeating the same thing then tells me I've taken it too deep! Two months ago, he screamed 'I'm done, I'm out!' and told me good luck. He let me suffer for days and then told me he hadn't said it. He is a good man, but he has mental health issues and needs help. I think though he would rather destroy me and our relationship than get that help. He doesn't behave this way with anyone else, just me.

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lifesucks75 · 05/12/2016 14:03

Oh op it IS hard, and so close to Christmas too...I know, i'm going through it. It wasn't love though...maybe in his mind he THINKS he loves you, my ex did. I'm his soulmate, best friend, love of his life etc. But we have to remember...love is mutual, equal, understanding, empathy, loyalty...NOT being shouted at, made to feel terrible, put down and frightened...think of that every time you have a wobble...which you will do. You will be so much better off without him. I know this is cheesy but have you ever seen the film "sleeping with the enemy"?

user1480843266 · 05/12/2016 14:15

Yes a long time ago! I may revisit it and look up others like that for fun! I realise he is an unhappy, angry person who takes it out on me, I have often felt that he is ''married' to his siblings. Being in a relationship with him and them, really was not very nice and it has taken all this for me to be clear that that was totally wrong too.

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klassykringle · 05/12/2016 14:16

Flowers have you broken up with him?

bibliomania · 05/12/2016 14:40

Well done, OP! I think you made the right call - he sounds absolutely horrible. It hurts now, but you're going to be a lot happier without him in your life. The fact that he wasn't like this with others, just you, means that he does have control over it. He actively chose to treat you like shit.

lifesucks75 · 05/12/2016 14:50

Well when i'm having a wobble trying to understand, I watch that film to remind me just because Martin was a gentleman to Laura didn't mean he wasn't a complete asshole!

EasyToEatTiger · 05/12/2016 18:27

It takes a lot of bravery to allow the scales to fall away from your eyes. My husband is being "Mr Nice" at the moment. To think that I am actually getting anywhere with him would be to be deluding myself. What he says he believes and the way he behaves are utterly incompatible. It is a grieving process. All the things we thought to be ok are not. It is a loss. I know my children have been banging on about our relationship for years. I was deeply troubled by my own parents' relationship. In fact their relationship has totally fucked up 4 lives. I was the "lucky one" who developed a severe eating disorder and severe depression and was treated very well by psychiatrists, dieticians, clinical psychologists, and psychotherapists through the NHS. To find myself in a crap relationship is for me, heartbreaking.
The shock of realising what has been happening is the beginning. You will find strength for whatever the future holds.

Hermonie2016 · 05/12/2016 19:08

Petrastorm, you speak so much sense, so thank you as your post has helped me as well.

Op, reading your updates gives me shivers as it's similar to what I have tolerated.Nothing is his fault, I am controlling, he drags up every issue from years ago, every discussion I try to initate becomes ww3.
I keep coming back to your thread as I'm waivering as he's back to the nice cycle but ignoring anything he has done/said before.

frieda909 · 05/12/2016 20:47

You are so brave OP. Well done for telling your family and for recognising what an unacceptable situation you have been putting up with. There will be wobbles from now, but keep posting here and speaking to your family as you have been.

My ex managed to construct this whole 'you and me against the world' narrative where my family and friends didn't care about me and he was all that I had. Any time I had the slightest grievance with anyone he would always pounce on it: 'see, your family suck, they don't care about you, I'm the only one who looks after you' etc etc. And I believed it... until I left him and found myself inundated with offers of spare beds and people helping me to pack up all my things while I did my best not to fall apart. Now it seems utterly ludicrous that I could ever have thought my family and friends were anything less than wonderful!

EasyToEatTiger · 05/12/2016 21:12

Hermonie2016, it's the same as my husband! Says one thing. Does another. I too am waivering, but the tide is slowly changing. It's wretched, isn't it. I am not the person I want to be and I feel as though I look at other people's relationships and think, I wonder if you have a clue what's going on with me? I barely dare say what's going on.

Newtoday · 05/12/2016 21:18

You have been so brave. He is very severely abusive. It will be hard but you can absolutely escape this and life will be good. Promise.

Bettysboo · 05/12/2016 22:44

What he's doing is emotionally abusive to you, it isn't normal, run of the mill griping; his behaviour fits the covert narcissist pattern. These people often present as really nice people to their friends and work colleagues, they're helpful, kind, reliable. Within their private lives it's a different matter and it's really hard for the partner to discuss this 'other' personality with mutual friends.

Illness seems to be a massive thing for these people. If you're ill it's ignored or you're told you aren't really ill. His panic attacks, anxiety, illnesses are deadly serious and he must be mothered and nurtured. It really is sickening to read that he lapped up all your time and energy when he was ill but totally ignores it when you're poorly. What a schmuck!

The deal with a covert narc is that you must obey their demands, run around after them, accept their reality and forgo your feelings, ideas, personality etc. When you've done all that, they will scream at you for not being yourself - it is all your fault. They will scream abuse and then deny it a few minutes later. They don't repect your emotional boundaries, you're an extension of them and there to serve them.

Their logic is non-existant. It truly takes your breath away to hear some of their contradictions. They are Buddhist on Monday, a Christian on Wednesday and by Friday they will tell you they're an Atheist. They will tell you that you're the nastiest person ever then ring you up and expect to meet up like nothing ever happened. I could never understand how someone could say those things and then want to see me and deny it or try to justify it.

The bad news is this kind of person thinks their behaviour is fine. It's only their partner who sees it so it doesn't matter. Their world revolves around them, their ego, and nobody else counts apart from when they need attention, that's when they need their supply.

I really hope you can get away from this empty pit of unhappiness. There are some useful techniques like 'going grey rock' and 'no contact' when trying to remove yourself from this type of relationship. Being prepared and aware is half the battle when you're trying to get out of a relationship with this sort of person.

Memoires · 05/12/2016 23:14

Not wasted years, User, they are years where you discovered what you didn't want; that's incredibly helpful.

I'm so glad you're closer to your parents again, too, and that they are so supportive.

HappenstanceMarmite · 05/12/2016 23:54

Thanks pp for the link to lifestyle's thread. Off to read it now.

Stay strong everyone 👍

user1480843266 · 05/12/2016 23:55

So many similarities here. I have had such an up and down day, I told the children and they were wonderful about it. Not happy obviously, they were sad, but they held me as I cried, they said we would be fine and that he would regret losing me cos I'm so fab!

I have had to turn my phone off and pretty much go nc. what you say bettysboo is exactly right, they rip your heart out one minute then later on, act like everything is dandy. He sent a message like, the thought of being without you is unbearable, I'll tell my family that it was all my fault, it'll be fine.....

Now what kind of fucked up suggestion is that? Not, I'm sorry, I'll change, I'll see a doctor, I'm sorry I've been a bastard, you didn't deserve that, blah blah, blah... But basically I'm still right, you're still wrong, I'll just pretend to my family that it was me... (until it suits him otherwise and he'll trash me again I guess)... Then tonight it was a text asking to talk. I have decided to ignore all of these, because my heart is still torn to shreds and I know exactly how it will go. It will go back to last Friday, last year, all the things I ever did wrong and how horrendous it is for me to treat him like this and call him emotionally abusive... It will never end, unless i NC the fuck out of him.

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lanegirl · 06/12/2016 00:18

Just read the thread OP and had to just come on to say well done for making this decision. I wanted to post because you could've been me 10 years ago.

My ex was scarily similar, even down to the being ill. Even when I was hospitalised and had to have a general anaesthetic he spent the entire journey there shouting at me and being horrible until I sat there in a mess, waiting to go through for my operation.

I am now 10 years down the line happily away from him. We had a DD together. She is the best most wonderful thing to come out of that shitty relationship. I just wish she had a better father.

I am now happily remarried with two more children, to a wonderful man. He is kind, supportive, he loves me, he supports me, even on days when I am moody. I am allowed to be moody. I am human and worthy of love and respect. So are you and very soon you will realise what a dickhead this bloke is and not look back.

Hold your head up high, he is always going to be a narcissistic, selfish, nasty person. You will always be kind, loving and warm, and I hope you learn from this to love and respect yourself and know that you are worth so much more.

Bettysboo · 06/12/2016 00:46

It's hard seeing someone you care about as they really are.... as sad as it is, you've made the best decision here. As you mention, his responses are manipulative and they miss the point. And you're totally right to say he will revert to his normal crap behaviour if you go back. He will continue to have problems but you'll go on to have a good, supportive relationship with someone who deserves your time and love.

user1480843266 · 06/12/2016 10:12

Another night of no sleep and crying in front of the kids. Especially when I learnt that dd oldest will be home for the month on friday. My sweet ds wanted to keep it a surprise, but he let it slip and I just bawled with happiness.

I hate the kids seeing me crying and I hate not sleeping, so I went to the doctor this morning and he has given me something for the sleep and also something just to help me cope a bit better. I have never had anti-depressants before so it was a bit of an education, but am pleased that they will give me a little lift hopefully so that I can enjoy the holiday season and make the changes in my life that come with something like this.

What I never said was that ex-dp is my biggest client. So financially I will suffer, but I just have to believe that I can get others and carry on, or just get a job. No money is worth this. My dc even said that their dad would definitely give us more money if he knew we were struggling. So I must constantly remind myself of the good things and hopefully over time self-esteem will return too. Tired of crying all the time. Flowers for everyone that has helped me on here.

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skyyequake · 06/12/2016 10:20

You're doing so well OP and I'm glad your DC are of an age where they can really support you.

I just want to forewarn you that in the coming weeks and possibly months you will probably find the doubt creeping in. "Was it really that bad?" "Was is really abuse though?" "Maybe he's realised this time and will change" are all extremely common thoughts that I think every single person coming out of this kind of relationship thinks at some point...

I would suggest reading back over this thread in those moments (I was reading my own thread just the other day!) and maybe writing down in a diary all the incidents you remember, no matter how "small". This will help you keep your resolve and will also be handy to have as evidence if he continues to pester you and you need to get a non-mol/restraining order. I don't want to scare you with that idea, but it's always better to be prepared and not need it than to be unprepared and need it!

I find it helps me to think of it as being unfaithful. It is similar in a way, as every time he verbally abused you, controlled you or manipulated you, he was breaking the trust you had placed in him as your partner. Then you have the apologies, the "it didn't mean anything", the "it won't happen again" although it invariably does. How many times would you be prepared to forgive a guy cheating on you? Personally I would only give a second chance, many wouldn't even go that far! And yet these guys betray us again and again and we let them! Why?

Anyway, I think you've done the right thing going NC and I hope he gets the message and leaves you alone to get on with your life!

If you feel you need extra support (which is perfectly fine! I did and I was only with mine half the tine you were with yours) then try seeing if there's a Freedom Programme near you. You won't believe the relief you feel from having actual real people in front of you that have been through the same thing or similar and telling you that your feelings are real and valid and you're not exaggerating! It's also incredibly helpful if you're worried about starting another relationship in the future and gives you early warning signs to look out for!!

Hope you're having a peaceful day Flowers

DrowningInPoop · 06/12/2016 11:50

Ah, OP you sound like a lovely lady and completely undeserving of such bad treatment.

I hope that 2017 will be a great year for you. I'm sure you can build up more work and it sounds like you have a great support system with children, parents and friends.

user1480843266 · 07/12/2016 09:38

Having a really down day. 40 odd messages yesterday and photos from him, promising undying love.

Sound familiar anyone?

I just feel ill looking at them. Looking at how happy we were and thinking about how much he has changed. Deactivated facebook, just so as not to be reminded. I have just turned my phone off for a bit and told my fam and friends to email me or knock on my door if they need me!

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PosiePaRumPaPaPumParker · 07/12/2016 09:41

A wise woman said "if someone reveals themselves to you, listen"

He won't change, he was probably behaving well to start with and this is the real him.

PosiePaRumPaPaPumParker · 07/12/2016 09:42

It's a new day Op. Another day between yourself and abuse. Switch off your phone, change your number, make permanent changes.

Expect threats of suicide, he won't do it.

PosiePaRumPaPaPumParker · 07/12/2016 09:43

Sorry I am reading.... but clearly not!!

klassykringle · 07/12/2016 09:53

I'm so glad you're resisting and detaching and analysing more.

Maybe back then he was in the "honeymoon" period. Maybe in his own mind he's sincere now.

Or maybe it was hard work playing the perfect part, and he just doesn't want to put the effort in with someone new.

But you've wasted enough time on him and you don't owe him anymore, or have to worry about him or what was real or fake back then.

Whatever the reasons, his real personality has long since shone through and you know who he is and what he'll be like if you fell for it again. People like this don't change.

I agree with "the script" - keep posting here if you're unsure of yourself.

Keep going, it WILL feel better over time Flowers

skyyequake · 07/12/2016 11:04

Over two months on I still get the occasional message of undying love OP... Unfortunately it's all bollocks.

They only do it when they want something. In this case he wants you back under control because you've dared to stand up for yourself. I'd wager if you stand your ground, keep ignoring his texts and whatever, he'll eventually start getting nasty. When I was doing it I told myself I would "just to see what happened" and I held out just a bit longer than I ordinarily would have done. He completely turned on me... I saw it in his eyes and whenever I feel my resolve slipping or the doubt creeping in I remember that pure venom in his eyes and I remind myself that that's who he really is.

It's harder over texts because he has the chance to rage in private and then compose himself to send you a text.

I really think you could benefit from the Freedom Programme. I don't mean to harp on about it, but I'm pretty sure without the support and education from that group I would have fallen for his tricks again. I don't want that to happen to you and I think the best way to arm yourself is with knowledge of their tactics and support from others who have been there. As lovely as my other support have been, you can't know what it's like until you've been through it yourself. Plus there's nothing like being able to say something they did and get knowing nods all round, instead of a puzzled one and having to explain the entire cycle to someone who just doesn't get it.

It's completely down to you when/if you're ready to seek out that help, but either way I hope your life goes on peacefully and without his destructive influence Flowers

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