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Is this emotional abuse or normal?

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user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:12

My long term boyfriend suffers with anxiety/depression and panic attacks. This year has been worse due to the loss of his father. Most of the time he is kind, generous, friendly, everybody likes him. He is great at giving advice and talking to people about their problems and help others need.

He has always overreacted to the smallest things with me and cannot seem to manage any kind of negativity in a rational way, so most of the time when he does something that upsets me or is inappropriate, I just let it slide.

However, every month he will absolutely blow up about something totally innocuous, it will usually be on a friday on weekend when he has his dc and we won't see each other. No matter what I say, how I defend myself, everything is wrong, everything is my fault. He will say, your family love me, I'd never do that, I'm there for everyone and bleat on about how perfect he is and how awful I am. This week I have been really ill, I caught it from him. I fuss over him when he's ill, I get medicine, cook for him, tell him to stay in bed, in the middle of the night, if he woke I'd ask he needs anything, he'd say no it's fine, but I'd go downstairs get him some lemsip or something or coffee and bring it up. He had panic attacks in the night, I'd get up with him, chat, hold him until it passed, told him I loved him. He thanks me for taking such good care of him.

Anyway I ended up really bad with it, with such a bad throat I couldn't talk for 3 days, bleeding throat, I really just should have been in bed. Instead what I did was go with him to a family dinner one night, worked for him in his office for a few hours on a job he asked me to do where I was not 100% myself. Of course I wasn't, I couldn't talk, spoke in whispers when needed and felt really bad, but didn't want to let him down. What I got for that was not thanks and empathy, was a tirade of text abuse about how I acted disinterested, rude and couldn't be bothered with his family, I couldn't believe it. I reminded him how ill I was (how ill he had been), I should have been in bed.

The text abuse has continued all weekend and extended into probably every argument we have had over the last 5 years, every aspect of my personality, how I am at work, with his family, how I am at gym... Anything and everything!?! Every month he does this to me. I walk on eggshells and now I'm paranoid about being ill, paranoid about how I act, the look on my face, what I say to people. My family do love him, but the thing is everytime he unleashes a ton of shit on me, I don't tell them because I want them to like him. I protect his reputation with my family. But this is killing me. I think he needs help. Some days he will say I will go to counselling, I needs some meds, what do you think? And then other days he'll say I'm not going to counselling, I don't need anything, I'm fine. He tells me he tells his family all about our dramas and I worry that they are getting a very unbalanced view of what is going on-I think it's a violation that he tells them tbh.

Sorry if this long and it may not seem like much, he is not physically abusive but I feel so depressed over this, nothing is ever his fault, and he completely ignores anything I say and just keeps repeating the same thing then tells me I've taken it too deep! Two months ago, he screamed 'I'm done, I'm out!' and told me good luck. He let me suffer for days and then told me he hadn't said it. He is a good man, but he has mental health issues and needs help. I think though he would rather destroy me and our relationship than get that help. He doesn't behave this way with anyone else, just me.

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ArmfulOfRoses · 04/12/2016 10:54

I think that's very perceptive of you.

He wants to be the only thing on your mind when he's not there.

It's great that you have recognised this.

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 11:01

To be honest, it's really just being able to share that helps you get that. I should have months ago. I've kept it in for so long, so as not to damage his reputation with my family and not lose what we do have because strangely if i take the fallouts out of the equation we're really happy. I know ROFL...! But it can go from hero to zero in a split second with no warning. And he seems to throw me under the bus with his family regularly it seems which I find really odd.

Just going out for some fresh air and probably a good cry! Thank you for support everyone, I will check back in later.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Nellyphants · 04/12/2016 11:02

I bet some people already see through the act. When I split from my abusive ex, some people tentatively asked if he was abusive. They didn't say when I was with him! Also Why should you give 100% to people? What about giving 100% to yourself?

Hermonie2016 · 04/12/2016 11:36

The reason he is nice to everyone else is because you are his whipping boy.My stbxh is absolutely the same, no one in my family could believe he gets angry.Same at his workplace, he is known for being the super nice guy.However it's not possible to always be nice so he stores up his anger and releases it at you.I am naturally compassionate so always try to see why he might be upset but had to realise I could not tolerate his behaviour.

My stbxh could also be very kind but then I realised he was kind when he wanted to be, not when I needed it.

How do you stop loving him? You need to realise you deserve better and love yourself.Only through loving yourself will you recognise that you shouldn't be with him.Would you let your sister/daughter continue with this relationship?

I also think the most loving thing you can do for him is to put boundaries in place and don't tolerate this behaviour.
You cannot change or control the situation.All you can do is state its unacceptable and if he's open to learning he will seek help.
If he isn't open to learning then there is absolutely nothing you can do.
My stbxh went to counselling but it made it worse because he went with a victim mentality and blamed everything on me.I have suggested books and CBT but he would prefer to take no responsibility so I have to leave.We are just over a month into separation and it's very tough.I have loved him, we have dcs, great financial position and we have had good times however none of that makes up for his unpredictable outbursts.

Your own mental health will suffer as a result and you dcs need to see their mum being strong.

iminshock · 04/12/2016 12:14

What a horrible horrible man.
Mental health issues have NOTHING to do with being plain nasty.

Your kids are the same age as mine. They sound fab Grin

helpnc · 04/12/2016 12:21

I have depression, anxiety and panic attacks. They make me hide away and cry. They don't make me horrible to my husband or anyone else.

My husband has long-term depression, and occasional angry outbursts at himself for being stupid or useless. He's never once been rude or mean to me, ever.

Your partner is a shit.

Don't fall for it anymore, please.

whatminniedidnext · 04/12/2016 12:54

OP - I recognise so much of my ex partner in what you have written. It is abusive, very much so (if you have read Lundy Bancroft's book you already know this) and in the end it drains you and reduces you to a shell of yourself if you stay in the relationship. You are giving everything, he is giving nothing.

The "mental illness" is a cloak he hides behind to excuse his behaviour. Don't fall for it. If he is charming to everyone else apart from you then he is not mentally ill but a cunning, manipulative, abusive bastard.

From what I have read from your posts, I take it you don't live together and you have no children together. This is good news as actually, it puts you in a great position to leave.

How do you stop loving someone who treats you like this? I'll be blunt here but please take this in the nicest possible way because you sound absolutely lovely: he doesn't love you. If he did, he wouldn't be doing this. The only thing he loves is his control over you. Please try to work on your self esteem (which, ironically, he is trying to erode further). You deserve better Flowers

How do you think he would react if you ended the relationship?

Cherrysoup · 04/12/2016 13:01

He is severely abusive, pure and simple, as well as being a selfish twat. Why are you with him?

marvelousdcomics · 04/12/2016 13:15

He is abusive. Leave him, please. Protect yourself and your (amazing) dc's.

My exH used to be like your bf. DD was 12, ds1 was 11 and ds2 was 9. He was emotionally abusive. One day dd stood up to him and he almost went for her. We left that day. Never looked back.

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 14:30

So after my walk, I pretty much decided that I can't keep going every month like this over and over. His text today, Sunday, when his kids go back later... was I hope you're feeling better today x, then I guess you're ignoring me? Almost like nothing...

I wrote back saying I cannot keep doing this every month. I have helped you through your darkest times and held you and loved you. I am 100% committed to you, to be there for you but you need some extra help. Either counselling or medical and I will be there holding your hand through all of it. I cannot do this by myself not can I tolerate the emotional abuse anymore. I need my boy back, I need us back.

I know some of you may critisize me for being weak and giving more than I should, BUT I had to put it out there in the most compassionate terms possible because then I know I have done my best, my best offer.

What I got back was not really a surprise I guess; Oh my god, this was about what you did, how is it that I need any help!?!

Sad Sad Sad

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helpnc · 04/12/2016 14:38

Yep. Abusive prick.

No criticism - there's a reason he's with you, and it's because he was able to manipulate you into this state.

Of course you'd like to rescue and reset the relationship somehow (what's the name for the thing where you've invested so much, you can't afford for it to fail? The sunken costs fallacy?)

But you can't fix him, he's not bothered. Please, please dump him and save yourself from more shit. Flowers

glintwithpersperation · 04/12/2016 14:56

Please don't stay with him. He will break you Sad

frieda909 · 04/12/2016 15:01

This was so, so familiar to read that I got goosebumps. He and my ex could be clones!

My ex was exactly the same when he was ill. The slightest sniffle and he'd take to his bed and act like a man at death's door. He would literally not move a muscle - if he wanted something even a few inches out of reach he would yell for me to come in and pass it to him. And yet when I broke my wrist and couldn't do anything, he barely lifted a finger to help me and still expected me to run errands for him. Another time I had a stomach bug and had really bad diarrhoea one morning, and when I told him all he could say in response was 'well you'd better wash your hands before you make my breakfast'. What a charmer, right?!

I had never realised that sabotaging your time apart was such a classic tactic, but now I've read this I realise he did this ALL the time too! We would often have a fight any time I was about to go away somewhere, and then he'd give me the silent treatment so that it ate away at me the whole time I was away, until near the end of my trip where I'd inevitably get a text acting like nothing had happened. Gas lighting at its finest.

You constantly feel like you have to walk on eggshells around him and make sure your facial expression is pleasing to him. That's no way to live! However 'nice' and supportive he is to his friends, you're seeing the real him when he doesn't feel like he needs to make an effort or put up a front with you. I lived with a permanent knot in my stomach because of this kind of treatment and I can't tell you how wonderful it feels to be free of it.

Telling your brother was a huge step, as was posting here. Please keep telling people! Saying it out loud really helped me to realise what a shitty shitty situation I was putting up with. It's hard, but try not to minimise his behaviour when you tell people - there is NO justification for treating anyone like this. Not even the death of his father.

If he can't recognise how awfully he's treating you then I'm afraid there is nothing you can do to help him right now. You need to look after yourself and your children first and foremost. Good luck and please do keep posting here.

Naicehamshop · 04/12/2016 15:01

Stay strong OP - I know that you want to save your relationship but you can't fix him. Only he can do this and he doesn't want to. Gather up your courage and tell him that you don't want to see him again - it's really the only way forward. Flowers

frieda909 · 04/12/2016 15:08

Sorry, it took me a while to type that and then I just saw your latest message after I did. Absolutely no judgement or criticism here. It's natural to want to try to make it better if you possibly can. I'm sorry you didn't get the response you were hoping for.

PetraStrorm · 04/12/2016 15:13

This man who, as a partner, is supposed to support you and make your life better in every way, is remorselessly stealing your happiness, your well-being, your health, your precious time, actual irrecoverable time from your one life on this earth.

And all he's doing with it is deliberately hurting you and making sure you're permanently on edge. I bet you think about him all the time. All the time, and I'll bet it's hardly ever with a feeling of security, of knowing that he's a steady source of support and love and friendship for you.

He will not change. Please, please leave.

humphreyandlinnea · 04/12/2016 15:21

How awful for you. It's clear how much you love him and very head wrecking when his bad side is so compartmentalised.

You know now that you've said everything you needed to say to get closure. You need to progress this as soon as you feel you can because the place you're in sounds very dark.

Costacoffeeplease · 04/12/2016 15:32

Well at least you know now. Walk away, head held high

Memoires · 04/12/2016 15:54

Well, now you've done everything you can and after this there is nowhere else to go.

Please tell all your family the truth. Show them the texts. Ask for their support.

You do not deserve this. You deserve much better; a man who will cherish you and look after you and not abuse you.

You will only meet the man of your dreams when you get rid of the abusive arsehole you're with now. Dump him.

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 15:55

You really do start doubting yourself, I'm sorry I'm still going, I just want to leave no stone unturned. And if it's me sometimes, I need to know. It's like...

He said I was disinterested in his family, the siblings I see every couple of months (the time I was ill but still was there for him). They understood that and it's no big deal. When he's not himself, or sad, or disinterested and someone on my side says, what's up with him? I don't say what a dick, he's disinterested, so selffish, can't be bothered. I'd say, ah he's not well, or sad about his parents, etc. I'd always have his back.

He never makes arrangements for us to spend time with his friends, but we do every other month with mine. He raged at me this weekend, you don't like ANY of my friends!!! Not true, but one is a serial adulterer who delights in telling my bf about his affair and opens a convo (when I was on speakerphone in the car) with 'How's your sex life!) His other bestie is a habitual sex tourist and prostitue user. AIBU in not liking these two particuarly? (I was cheated on by my exh) so I don't find these particularly funny but am always friendly and polite when I see them. Am I wrong to not like them? Please be honest... He doesn't particularly like one of my friends because she talks a heck of a lot, he says negative things about her, but it doesn't bother me. I don't really care that he doesn't like her. AIBU?

He continually bangs on about me hating his dog. Not true. I am allergic to dogs and the hair etc. and even him touching me after he has touched the dog gives me a rash sometimes. I get asthmatic in his flat. What I admit I don't like is dog shit lying in my garden for a week at a time and him not washing his hands after he has been touching him. So I don't hate the dog as such, he is good natured. But I don't find the parenting of it particularly nice for me. AIBU here? He feels nothing for my allergy of it and just throws it out there like ' it's not very nice for me when you hate my dog'!

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BantyCustards · 04/12/2016 16:01

RTFT

You need to get rid of this man.

My ex had all these traits - I ended up completely losing it and having a breakdown.

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 16:27

petrastrorm I do, all the time. And sometimes dread my phone going.

We used to be best friends, I don't know when that stopped. I still confide in him but he tends to turn to his siblings now and says it's because I'm not there for him. It's bizarre because on a good day he will cry and tell me how wonderful i am, how much he loves me. I guess what everyone is saying is that it's just words.

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Memoires · 04/12/2016 16:47

He uses everything against you, everything.

It's not you, it really really isn't you. It is most certainly him. He's doing it because he wants power over you; he is turning you into a non-person, someone who he can blame for anything and everything, someone whose needs don't count and whose opinions and dreams are irrelevant.

You can stop him, it'll be hard at first but you'll find that you'll start feeling more real, more like you. Your confidence will grow.

So stop him making you into No-one. Dump him. Please.

Hermonie2016 · 04/12/2016 16:51

I know the desperate need you feel to make sense of this but it won't be possible.I'm sure there are mental health issues involved, related to abandonment but there is absolutely nothing you can do.

It's so sad, frustrating and upsetting but you will end up unwell as a result.When I saw a counsellor for support after separating he said unpredictable anger is the worst as that leads to walking on eggshells.If for example you got annoyed by dog poo in your garden that would at least be predictable and rational.The fear comes when you don't know what will set it off, you search for patterns and explanations but it's totally irrational so not possible.

I know it's the start of you thinking you will break up, perhaps you will make up this time but each time you might get stronger and eventually make the split permanent.

Keep a record of what has happened, it does help when you waiver about separating.
His friends sound awful btw and I do judge a man by his friends.

beepbeeprichie · 04/12/2016 17:06

Oh gosh. So much good advice in this thread- I hope you can find the inner strength to take it OP. I've been in your shoes- the mood swings, the blame, the withholding of time spent together for trivial reasons.... And all the while believing it was my fault or if I could just save him that he was a good person underneath. If he could just "see" things clearly. I spent a lot of time and money and emotion and every single drop was a waste. Only after I finally found the strength to say enough was enough (I picked him up from his house to bring him to mine because he "couldn't be bothered" to get the train and promptly started insulting me when he got in the car. So I drove off) did I realise I was worth a lot more. The illness piece really resonates with me too. One time I was hospitalised and he refused to come home from a night out to help me get to hospital. Ended up in an ambulance with flashing lights. Eventually he showed up at hospital hammered and said I "better not be putting it on". No joke.