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Is this emotional abuse or normal?

114 replies

user1480843266 · 04/12/2016 10:12

My long term boyfriend suffers with anxiety/depression and panic attacks. This year has been worse due to the loss of his father. Most of the time he is kind, generous, friendly, everybody likes him. He is great at giving advice and talking to people about their problems and help others need.

He has always overreacted to the smallest things with me and cannot seem to manage any kind of negativity in a rational way, so most of the time when he does something that upsets me or is inappropriate, I just let it slide.

However, every month he will absolutely blow up about something totally innocuous, it will usually be on a friday on weekend when he has his dc and we won't see each other. No matter what I say, how I defend myself, everything is wrong, everything is my fault. He will say, your family love me, I'd never do that, I'm there for everyone and bleat on about how perfect he is and how awful I am. This week I have been really ill, I caught it from him. I fuss over him when he's ill, I get medicine, cook for him, tell him to stay in bed, in the middle of the night, if he woke I'd ask he needs anything, he'd say no it's fine, but I'd go downstairs get him some lemsip or something or coffee and bring it up. He had panic attacks in the night, I'd get up with him, chat, hold him until it passed, told him I loved him. He thanks me for taking such good care of him.

Anyway I ended up really bad with it, with such a bad throat I couldn't talk for 3 days, bleeding throat, I really just should have been in bed. Instead what I did was go with him to a family dinner one night, worked for him in his office for a few hours on a job he asked me to do where I was not 100% myself. Of course I wasn't, I couldn't talk, spoke in whispers when needed and felt really bad, but didn't want to let him down. What I got for that was not thanks and empathy, was a tirade of text abuse about how I acted disinterested, rude and couldn't be bothered with his family, I couldn't believe it. I reminded him how ill I was (how ill he had been), I should have been in bed.

The text abuse has continued all weekend and extended into probably every argument we have had over the last 5 years, every aspect of my personality, how I am at work, with his family, how I am at gym... Anything and everything!?! Every month he does this to me. I walk on eggshells and now I'm paranoid about being ill, paranoid about how I act, the look on my face, what I say to people. My family do love him, but the thing is everytime he unleashes a ton of shit on me, I don't tell them because I want them to like him. I protect his reputation with my family. But this is killing me. I think he needs help. Some days he will say I will go to counselling, I needs some meds, what do you think? And then other days he'll say I'm not going to counselling, I don't need anything, I'm fine. He tells me he tells his family all about our dramas and I worry that they are getting a very unbalanced view of what is going on-I think it's a violation that he tells them tbh.

Sorry if this long and it may not seem like much, he is not physically abusive but I feel so depressed over this, nothing is ever his fault, and he completely ignores anything I say and just keeps repeating the same thing then tells me I've taken it too deep! Two months ago, he screamed 'I'm done, I'm out!' and told me good luck. He let me suffer for days and then told me he hadn't said it. He is a good man, but he has mental health issues and needs help. I think though he would rather destroy me and our relationship than get that help. He doesn't behave this way with anyone else, just me.

OP posts:
ijustwannadance · 04/12/2016 17:18

You need to stop begging for scraps op.
IT IS NOT YOU. IT'S HIM.
Stop asking him what you have done when you have done nothing wrong. Even your own children can see what he's doing to you. He won't get help as nothing is wrong with him other than him being a prize dickhead. For your own sanity, LTB!

acatcalledjohn · 04/12/2016 17:20

And my middle dc said I feel really sorry for you mum and I said why darling it's dp's dad? She said because this is going to go very bad on dp and you will have to deal with it.

You DC are noticing the negative effect his moods have on you. They expect it. And that is all the reason you need to walk away from him.

He is abusive. I recognise some of the behaviours (lack of empathy in particular) as my DP has anxiety, but my feelings are not ignored. You deserve better.

Flowers
iminshock · 04/12/2016 17:37

Do you have a daughter ?
If she gets a partner like yours how would you feel?

BubblingUp · 04/12/2016 17:41

He has so much control over you, he has you feeling responsible for his bad behavior.

lifesucks75 · 04/12/2016 18:32

op, please read my thread "what do you and dp do on a night" if you've got time...your posts ring so many alarm bells with me. That really does not sound right at all. Too long to explain here but you'll understand if you read my thread Flowers

Atenco · 04/12/2016 18:36

I'm sorry I'm still going

We all know it is a process, OP, so keep on posting.

I think the type of people he has chosen for his bfs is very telling

lifesucks75 · 04/12/2016 19:01

and I just want to say, my ex partner was very charming, friendly, knows everyone, adores his parents, bit of a cheeky chappie, harmless and fun, would do anything for me, idolised me etc....

Until he was threatening to hit me with his belt because I hadn't cleaned properly while I cried and cried on the bed. He never punched me, but he made my life HELL for four years. It's abuse op, plain and simple. You don't deserve it.

PetraStrorm · 04/12/2016 20:35

The thing is, OP, you might have done something occasionally that would have annoyed or upset him. It might be something that anyone might have found annoying or upsetting. You are human, you are allowed to make mistakes. But even though you might have done that (we all have) that IN NO WAY entitles him to treat you like shit and go on and on about what a dreadful person you are.

You are not a dreadful person. He is. In a normal relationship you'll disagree sometimes, you might argue or fall out about something. But you sort it out, apologise if you need to, and move on. This constant beating you over the head with every real or imagined sin (almost 100% imagined I'll bet) that you've ever committed against him, and his total refusal to see that he might have ever done anything wrong, is just so wrong and twisted I don't know where to start.

You could spend the rest of your life trying to work out if you have ever done anything so wrong that it justifies his treatment of you. YOU HAVE NOT. I know this because nobody could ever do anything that would justify the treatment you're getting from him.

It's very hard to walk away. And you might feel fucked up in the head for a good long while afterwards. But you won't be a millionth as fucked up as he's working so damn hard to make you.

HappenstanceMarmite · 05/12/2016 08:23

op, please read my thread "what do you and dp do on a night"

lifesucks could you link to your thread please?

lifesucks75 · 05/12/2016 08:54

Hi, sorry happens, I don't know how to link to threads but it should be up there in recent, I posted on it this morning Smile

BantyCustards · 05/12/2016 08:56

OP

I found life's post by searching her name.

DailyMailCrap · 05/12/2016 09:02

My dh has anxiety and can have a mini breakdown once a year or two but it's NEVER directed at me. Just himself. He usually bursts into tears and I have to console him. He has never called me names, never shown inconsideration to me, and would never abuse me. You need to leave.

frieda909 · 05/12/2016 09:31

I'm actually finding this hard to read, because it's like looking through a window at myself a few years ago. I was desperate to save my relationship and have my 'best friend' back. I second guessed myself on everything and kept thinking that maybe if I could just change all the things he didn't like about me, then we'd be really happy again. Every time he blew up at me yet again I'd get angry with myself for upsetting the delicate balance, and resolve to just try harder next time. I was a shell of a person by the end.

I know that I run the risk of overidentifying here. You are not me, and your relationship is not my relationship. But it still breaks my heart to read you questioning yourself about everything and asking if the simplest, most reasonable things that you do or say are unreasonable. Of course they're not, but he's worn you down to the point where you can't trust your own mind any more.

When you talk about being happy when the arguments aren't happening, can I ask, are you really happy? Or is it just relief that he's not angry with you for once? I ask because I used to say the same, but now I realise he was just feeding me scraps and that my benchmark for 'happy' was basically any time he was in a good mood.

We used to go away on a trip every year to do his hobby, which I had no interest in. I'd sit around bored out of my mind for most of the week, but because he'd be so happy and relaxed during that time I still used to look forward to it like crazy, and would tell everyone what a wonderful holiday it was. It wasn't really, it was pretty shit for me, but that was the nature of our relationship: me defining my own happiness and enjoyment based on him being in a decent mood for once.

user1480843266 · 05/12/2016 10:07

So much good advice and I really appreciate all the experiences that everyone is sharing. It is the total overreaction to anything that doesn't suit him. Like I didn't really want him to get a motorbike (he got it when he was very down this year, in a very depressed state) and I think they're very dangerous. Who actually doesn't agree with that? Show me one person!

When I asked him not to because of these reasons, it was WW3 for months over this bloody thing. And it comes up every week, if we're talking about something completely different, it will somehow come back to the bike... All of these things become fixations, where my problem is not the bike, it is his temper, his outbursts, his anxiety and irrationality. But he just sees, I don't like the bike... So it feels that whatever the topic is I cannot win.

And AIBU here anyway, I told him my fears about the bike in a really soft way. He's not particularly healthy mentally, he has alot of injuries that continually give him pain. And I've heard him asking his mates if they will get one and they'll say 'oh the missus won't let me have one' or 'the missus doesn't like them so I won't bother' And they didn't seem that bothered either way. But with mine, it was me being controlling, me being like his ex-wife, me being selfish, etc. etc.

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klassykringle · 05/12/2016 10:17

User, the more you post, the worse he sounds. Flowers

Can I ask what your relationship with your parents is like? And what theirs was like?

user1480843266 · 05/12/2016 10:42

Well a funny thing has happened really. In that over the past few months of being worn down, hiding it and my parents like oh dp's so wonderful, so this, so that, etc. (cos they didn't know how i was suffering), I suppose I distanced myself a bit emotionally from then. I don't know why now and quite often I thought, my parents aren't there for me. And felt bad about it. But yesterday, I told them everything, everything and they have been so supportive and I immediately feel so much closer to them. It's so strange, I guess I had pushed them away, but they never complained, but I think I did, probably when I needed them the most. They are still married, by no means perfect, but they're pretty cool and adore each other.

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klassykringle · 05/12/2016 11:00

I'm so glad you were able to talk to them! What did they think about it all?

It's really common for emotional abusers to separate people away from their family (whether by explicitly telling them to stay away, or by the shameless/isolation feeling you mentioned). That kind of distance is another sign that things are definitely not ok.

EasyToEatTiger · 05/12/2016 11:05

I've just started the Freedom Programme. It's been a long, slow haul to get this far. No mental health problems are the cause of abusive behaviour. Your partner is punching you down and not listening to you one jot.

I found this article interesting. It describes my husband's behaviour to a T. He used to openly criticise me and then tell me that it was completely justified and I should just accept it. This was household things like not putting bog roll by the loo or putting towels in the laundry and not replacing them.... He treated me and often still does with contempt. Name-calling and rubbishing me in rage. He tells me he needs to defend himself against me. And my husband does a fine line in stonewalling. He fills the room with sulk. He sulks for Britain. It's really strange that he admits to all of these behaviours. Of course his behaviour is all my fault. Oh to have that amount of power!

When you are ready, please contact Womens' Aid and get started on your own recovery. You won't change him. WA are brilliant and they will lend an ear without judging you or telling you what to do.

kaitlinktm · 05/12/2016 11:07

Here is Life's thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2681914-what-do-you-and-dp-do-on-a-night?msgid=64769046

Am off to read it now.

OP - just end it, you don't have to waste any more of your life trying to guilt-proof your future. Everyone has told you that he is abusive - he will never agree of course, that is the nature of abuse - but you know, your brother and children know. You owe it to yourself and your family not to spend any more time agonising on how/why - just tell him i't over, please.

klassykringle · 05/12/2016 11:08

*shame not shameless! Bloody phone

kaitlinktm · 05/12/2016 11:09

Cross posts OP - so glad to hear about your parents' reaction and hope it now gives you the strength to tell him to keep away.

lifesucks75 · 05/12/2016 13:41

I see you've read my thread op, it's hard, it's really bloody hard. I still can't sleep for wondering WHY? What did I do to be treated that way? and I wont lie, I DO miss him, only normal I suppose, I spent four years of my life with him. I miss who I THOUGHT he was, not who he actually is...which is a manipulative abuser. But he left me little choice, I couldn't let my children see that behaviour any longer. My heart is broken...but i'll get there.

mamakena · 05/12/2016 13:50

I was in a similar verbally abusive situation. No matter how bad my self worth got, as soon as I saw it was bad for my kids I walked away effortlessly and never looked back.

Do it for your tots, if not for yourself. Call Women's Aid get counseling. This is not love.

user1480843266 · 05/12/2016 13:55

I did read it, thanks.

It is over now.

He has changed so much and I guess maybe I didn't see what was blindingly obvious to others, he had me where he wanted me. My family and friends have now said how selfish he was, about how he never wanted a life with me, I was just another of his 'toys'. Not the life partner I wanted. Feels like such a waste of 4 years.

And no, I cannot let my kids see me suffer like this. I need to start again in so many ways, I have cried all day. It is so hard.

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