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Need another perspective on dh's behaviour

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WhatshouldIdoplease · 28/11/2016 09:52

I have NC for this as I think some people in RL know my nickname. But not trolling - been around since the days of Cod and her typos, up until the nextdoor neighbour who doesn't like the birds ruining his piano playing. I feel a bit scared posting here, but at the moment I need other perspectives as I feel like my brain is exploding and going back and forth. To give a bit of background, I take ADs on a fairly mild dose but feel a bit out of control emotionally at the moment, so I don't know what to think and am feeling all sorts of different things. 4 incidents in the last week have shaken me somewhat regarding dh. I will try and tell them as factually as possible.

  1. Last Sunday was ds1's birthday (11). He had a football party at a sports' centre, run by them. Dh joined in. The first game was some challenge where you took other players on one-to-one and the loser had to sit out. Anyway, so it was dh and another kid at the end - this kid is really good. I missed most of the game as I was fetching someone from the station but came in at the end, and saw dh taking on this kid at football. Clearly as an adult taking on an 10/11 year old he won, therefore winning the whole game.
  1. Later the same evening I was upstairs, heard ds2 (8) scream and cry. I ran downstairs. Dh was hovering about somewhere but not doing anything. I thought ds had fallen off the sofa onto the tiled floor. He was really, really crying, lying on the floor. I scooped him up, cuddled him, asked what happened. Found out dh had kicked him. Then found out ds2 had kicked him in the balls just before that. After crying for a bit he was fine and there was no more pain after that, or any bruising.
  1. We were in McD's on Sat night. Just me, dh and ds1 (other dc with my parents). There were 2 kids aged around 12/13 in there, clearly nowhere else to go, no food or anything. Ds1, bless him, was offered a helium balloon and took it. These kids were asking staff for a balloon but the staff wouldn't give one. They started hassling ds for his balloon, and he was torn about giving it to them, but I said don't give it as they just want to use the helium. They kept hassling. We were having a bit of banter as the boy said he wanted it for his 2yo sister and I said he'd have to learn to lie better than that! It was all good natured, but he was annoying. Dh was sitting with his back to them, I was facing them next to ds. Then they called me Michelle. (Not my name). Dh turned around and was quite aggressive to them out of the blue (he had not said a word till then). Then the boy said, "What country are you from?" (Dh is not white). Dh got really aggressive then. He did not hit him, but he was really trying to intimidate him and shouted at him to stop being so rude and to act his age etc. The kids got thrown out of McDs. I was really upset with dh. I could understand him reacting that way if it was a huge, racist skinhead bloke, but this were kids. I think to be honest, it just triggered everything from the Sunday. I was so angry with him I had to leave McDonalds. (I bumped into the kids later in Lidl and they apologised, but dh has still not. I told him they apologised to me).
  1. Yesterday ds2 and dh again 'playfighting'. They do it a fair bit. Ds2 started shouting 'Mum! Mum' - I said, If you want Dad to stop then tell him to stop. He did not tell Dad to stop. Next thing I heard a bang and then nothing. I was really worried, ran downstairs. Ds once again is crumpled on the tiled floor, doing 'quiet crying' (this scares me more than screaming). Dh is sat on the sofa. I asked what happend. Dh said he fell off the sofa. I was shouting at him, "Why aren't you doing anything then?". I ran to get ice. Did the usual cuddling. Ds went upstairs but he did not really want to engage with me, was crying in a corner. Had a chat with him later and he said Dad pushed him off the sofa onto the floor after he knocked Dad's glasses off. I was absolutely fuming and lost it with dh. Again, ds2 was fine and no pain later on so he is seemingly overreacting but it is very scary at the time. He was also fine with dh this morning and even later in the evening.

Is this just messing about gone wrong? It's dh's reactions which have got me. If I hurt my child by accident I would rush to help. If I had lost my temper, I may be too angry to do anything or flooded with guilt. The weird thing is that ds2 is dh's favourite (he's extremely clever and very sporty, just v talented all round) and we have had many talks about him not 'favouritising' ds2. Dh is not English and comes from a family where children were hit. I have not spoken to dh since last night. I told him to get out of the house straight afterwards (he didn't) and was shouting at him. I feel so upset just remembering it all and I genuinely don't know what to do. I did not speak to Dh about last Sunday. I was quite ill at the beginning of the week, and tend to go to bed quite soon after he gets in from work anyway, and by Thursday which was the first opportunity we had to talk, I had either forgotten or blocked it out of my head. I have not dh's perspective on any of this, but equally he has not spoken to me.

Please advise. I will try and answer questions as best as I can.

OP posts:
WhatshouldIdoplease · 29/11/2016 13:30

A. My kids are not scared of him. They will be if out various on but even ds2 is not, wanting dh at bedtime etc. B. My DC are not anxious. Ds1 is. He has some mild SEN which has made him anxious since he started school.

Posts like yours are spectacularly unhelpful because they're not true. At least get your facts right or ask questions which may make them right. No thanks for the helpful input.

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YouHadMeAtCake · 29/11/2016 13:39

thisthingcalledlife amongst the many other pp is absolutely spot on. I don't need to ask you questions about your fucked up husband. You're putting it all on here. Still making excuses. Those poor children.

Yourarejokingme · 29/11/2016 13:51

You will find your children are frightened of their father but won't say for fear of upsetting you.

they will go along with the "play fighting" so they don't upset daddy and he is using this to minamise his bullying behaviour. This is psychological abuse.

Oh and for the record SS don't need to see bruising to take action if they need too.

ElfOnMyShelf · 29/11/2016 13:55

There will come a time your kids are big enough to fight back. What happens then? They will be having a brawl in the living room.
He is being abusive, it's one thing to push away "I don't want to play anymore your being too rough" my dh does this. Normally followed by "stop it" whilst they realise dads serious!
Hurting them and leaving them to cry is a whole different thing.
This isn't hitting for being naughty like you say is culturally ok for him. This is different.

mumonashoestring · 29/11/2016 14:03

A. My kids are not scared of him. They will be if out various on but even ds2 is not, wanting dh at bedtime etc.

Nope, children are not as black and white as 'if you've hurt them, they'll push you away'. A child will often be as ingratiating as possible to an abusive adult because for one thing, it's hardwired into us to try and please our family even if that means opening ourselves up for more harm, and for another they'll be hoping that 'if I'm good Daddy won't want to hurt me any more'.

Sorry if you're not hearing what you wanted to hear on this thread but your husband is behaving like a massive bully at the very least (I would actually say physically abusive tbh) and you're letting him.

mummytime · 29/11/2016 14:11

Sorry but you will all be much better off without this bully in the house.

TheTantrumCometh · 29/11/2016 14:21

Shoestring is right. Children of abusers often seek validation from their abusers. They don't hate them or stop loving them. All the more heartbreaking really.

Not only is your Dh's behaviour completely out of line and abusive but he also knows this. He's not stupid. The proof is in his lies about how your DS keeps getting hurt. We have a duty of care to our children to protect them from harm. Your DH has completely failed in this, don't you fail too

TheLobsterRollPlease · 29/11/2016 14:44

Like others have said your DH is a bully, I can't believe he was competitive against the child at your sons party, any other adult would have let the other child win.

And it's terrible the way you are making excuses for his disgusting behaviour. If I were in your position he would not still be living with us.

You have been given some great advice here OP, my question to you is what are you going to do next? If he can hit your DS who says he won't hit you?

TheLobsterRollPlease · 29/11/2016 14:48

Whilst I know culture is not an excuse, in my experience those from Afro Caribbean/ African/ Chinese/ Indian backgrounds (ie. born and brought up in those countries at least for some years) are well used to their parents hitting them

^^ You have no right making that statement, I am mixed, and not once throughout my child hood did my parents lay a finger on me or my brothers.

MrsSnootch · 29/11/2016 14:57

He is sitting on his jacksy whilst his son is crying on the floor?

That alone would make me bounce him out the door

What a complete jerk off

BitchQueen90 · 29/11/2016 15:02

This is abuse. Also I had a relationship with a Nigerian man who I am still friends with and he says that his father used to give him the odd slap round the back of the head but certainly never kicked him or caused him any physical abuse that would make him cry.

This is something that should not be tolerated and I really hope you realise that.

TheLobsterRollPlease · 29/11/2016 15:08

It really upsets me that people come on here with horrendous stories, asking for help/advice but do not take when given to them!

I never thought I'd say something like this on this site, but OP I hope someone in RL calls social services you are suppose to be protecting your child but you're not!!

YouHadMeAtCake · 29/11/2016 16:27

Agreed LobsterRoll

Need another perspective on dh's behaviour was your title Op, well you got a lot of other perspectives and all are saying the same thing basically yet still you defend and have a go at myself and any posters that don't sugarcoat or agree with you. What is the point of asking?! I guarantee you won't tell any of your family, the childrens teachers, a social worker etc what you have logged here. You wouldn't dare, you would be too ashamed.

There is NO other way to see this , it IS abuse and will only get worse. You are enabling him to negatively affect and abuse your DC and I speak from experience, they will resent you for being complicit in their abuse. It is unforgivable and inexcusable when a mother puts her husbands feelings before the emotional and physical safety of her children. Kicking children, pushing them off of furniture and leaving them to cry, this is not the behaviour of a decent man. Wise up OP. Before it is too late.

WhatshouldIdoplease · 29/11/2016 17:16

I have told you that I am speaking to a friend who is also a primary teacher and a safeguarding officer. She was a social worker a long time ago, though not sure what area she worked in. Initially I did not want to speak to her as I haven't spoken to her for a few months (we moved house) and felt bad to just go to her with this out of the blue. However, I am following the advice on here to that extent. Also she knows our family dynamics, not some random words on the internet.

I do appreciate the input and helping me to trust more in my own instincts which were telling me this was very wrong. However, I do think people bring a lot of their own baggage such as "I was battered black and blue as a child and my Mum did nothing for years and years till we phoned Childline ourselves." Well, he has not battered anyone black and blue. And it has happened all in the last week. There is also a certain amount of baying for blood based on a few words written up on the internet with no knowledge of the family, the people involved etc. To some extent this also happens when services are involved but at least they see and talk to the people. As I said, I will update what my QUALIFIED friend has to say.

OP posts:
WhatshouldIdoplease · 29/11/2016 17:24

Oh, and I text her this morning. She replied at lunch that she will phone tonight, so that is set up. Dh can entertain the guests for a bit. I did not want to delay it.

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NotStoppedAllDay · 29/11/2016 17:31

'Qualified' in what? I think those offering up their own experiences are qualified

How will your dh cope with these children when they hit pre teen years,and teen years as well? Children naturally become more challenging then,push boundaries etc....

This is one of the most worrying posts I've read in my ten years on MN. And the most worrying part is your attitude OP

bluebeck · 29/11/2016 17:44

I also think you are minimising his behaviour and I can't understand why.

Your husband is abusing your children and you seem almost paralysed to act. Inviting a mate round who used to be a social worker just doesn't cut it.

You should be removing your DH from the home, or removing your DC to a place of safety, because as their mother, that's your job.

I bloody despair sometimes.Those poor children.

NotStoppedAllDay · 29/11/2016 17:52

blue the friend is phoning op tonight... so no face to face convo even, just a chat on the phone Hmm

Probably about how it's all ok because it's cultural or something equally as lame

BitchQueen90 · 29/11/2016 18:24

I always find it odd in these situations when people say things like "you don't know the family or the people involved." So what? Child abuse is child abuse, doesn't matter WHAT the situation.

YouHadMeAtCake · 29/11/2016 18:27

However, I do think people bring a lot of their own baggage such as I was battered black and blue as a child and my Mum did nothing for years and years till we phoned Childline ourselves Well, he has not battered anyone black and blue. And it has happened all in the last week. There is also a certain amount of baying for blood based on a few words written up on the internet with no knowledge of the family, the people involved etc. To some extent this also happens when services are involved but at least they see and talk to the people. As I said, I will update what my QUALIFIED friend has to say.

What an absolute insult to those that have given you clearly much needed advice. Do NOT make out that you are any better than their parents because you are not. Baying for blood? Really? Based on a few words? Yes YOUR words! Your qualified friend?! What a joke. You are really quite deluded OP.

TheLobsterRollPlease · 29/11/2016 18:33

Well, he has not battered anyone black and blue

^^ it doesn't matter whether or not that he has been battered black and blue, you are defending him by saying that, he has hit your child on more than one occasion not to mention was very competitive against another child!

Please stop defending this monster, if my DP was to do what your DH has done to my son, he would have been shown the door a long time ago!

YouHadMeAtCake Deluded is exactly the right word to use, OP is not protecting her child but is protecting her monster of a husband!

Threads like this really boil my blood.

mumonashoestring · 29/11/2016 18:50

I will update what my QUALIFIED friend has to say

You're the one who decided you wanted the opinions of strangers on the internet petal - so basically you knew something was very wrong, you've been confronted with the possibility that it's worse than you've been prepared to admit to yourself, and you're not ready to cope with that yet. Okay. I feel genuinely sorry for your children but at least you're not completely ignoring the situation.

Couple of things to bear in mind - your 'qualified' friend is just that, a friend. She's not in a position to be objective and will have a conflict in terms of acting as a friend to you (i.e. saying nice things to make you feel better) and acting like a professional. Its even possible she'll think that what you're seeking from her is the reassurance of a friend and not a professional opinion.

Also, she's one person giving you her personal opinion, not representing or acting on behalf of a professional agency (i.e. SS, NHS etc.). And you have no idea, really, of whether she's particularly good at her job. You see your job, as her friend, is to assume that she knows what she's doing...

FAIRYFRETGNIKCUF · 29/11/2016 18:54

Perhaps I'm missing something. Or perhaps I'm an abuse apologist. But this is three incidents in a short space of time. Apparently nothing previous.

I think it's a massive wake up call.

Ask your dh how he wants the boys to feel about him.

FAIRYFRETGNIKCUF · 29/11/2016 18:57

In the interest of balance my father was like your dh especially about his glasses when we "play" fought which is really just fighting.

He hit me until I was in my twenties.

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