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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
Kr1stina · 02/12/2016 13:57

I'm sorry, I agree that you don't have a MIL problem, you have a DH problem.

He's acting like a manipulative bully.

Do you want to live like this , because I'm not sure if he's willing to change ?

Please please don't get pregnant right now. A baby will not fix this, it will make it many many times worse.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 02/12/2016 14:03

I won't be getting pregnant any time soon. I do have a DH problem. I think he can't see that he is part of the problem, he thinks I've got the problem.

I don't know what to do.

Crazycatladyloz82 · 02/12/2016 14:04

Do not go. And do not let DH go. I have had years of toxic shit off of my ILs. I used to send DH on his own at Christmas as I refused to go. I would say please be back by 2pm as dinner will be ready. He was late EVERY TIME as they purposefully kept him there and his fucktard wanker father would play idiotic childish eating games with DH (like how many cheese straws can you eat) on purpose to fill DH up. He would come home full and tired and not want to eat the meal I had slaved over. I put a firm and final stop to that bullshit when DD was born. They have since whinged it isn't fair they can't see him and DD on xmas day and I as the evil bitch wife won't let them play happy families. Those fuckers don't make me happy and they are not my family. If people treat you like shit they need to live with the consequences. Her consequences are NC with you ever again and she doesn't get to dominate and manipulate her son's time. If you give in you will give in forever and good luck when you have children as toxic ILs become worse when they have an innocent life to get their claws into.

Kr1stina · 02/12/2016 14:06

Vodka - do you have a job in the US ?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 02/12/2016 14:10

Crazycatlady I won't be spending time with MIL, but I can't stop him seeing his mum. And tbh I don't even want to stop him because it would come back to bite me anyway

Kr1stina no, not yet. So I'm alone a lot of the time and it gives me too much time to think all this over and get depressed about it.

SmallBee · 02/12/2016 14:10

Vodka - I'd be very tempted to stay in the UK for a bit by yourself and really get some perspective on whether all this is worth it. I'm not saying LTB but sometimes a bit of space is useful.

fusspot66 · 02/12/2016 14:16

Dear *Vodka, I am following your thread as I examine my family gathering dynamic too. When you say he won't get a taxi from the airport or book a hotel room for the Wedding, I'm worrying on your behalf that you're having to ask him for money now while you're not working. And he holds the purse strings. It is terrible to find yourself later with DC, a reduced or no personal income and a husband who won't share money. I hope I'm wrong.
Flowers

MrsPeelyWally · 02/12/2016 14:17

Vodka, I know you previously experienced terrible things and I'm wondering if your husband thinks that because you did you'll be easy to manipulate. The fact is that he really is his mother all over. They are two peas in a pod and hes far from being some innocent caught in the headkights. He's a bully and I suspect it's only come to light now because you've had a period of personal growth that means you've challenged the status quo.

I understand you must be scared and really upset at the thought of what comes next but I can assure you this - if you cave into this dreadful behaviour your life is going to be a misery at least until you have another period of personal growth and you get free of this mob.

Go to the UK, as scared as you are, have a separate holiday and stand your ground. Your future depends on it.

Kr1stina · 02/12/2016 14:19

Yes I was thinking along the same lines as SmallBee.

DrowningInPoop · 02/12/2016 14:20

Oh no Vodka I too think that maybe you should stay back in the UK and spend some time apart and evaluate things. Really think you need to get some counselling for yourself and or couples.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/12/2016 14:38

Does your visa allow you to work after a certain period of time in the US?.

I would attend the event on your own and hold your head high because you have done nothing wrong here.

He would have been the same regardless of whom he married.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/12/2016 14:42

Counselling for your own self is a must do anyway now. You need to ideally see someone who has a lot of knowledge regarding narcissistic family structures. Regardless of who you do see though, this person needs to fit in with you because counsellors are really like shoes.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 02/12/2016 15:01

Counselling is going to be crucial to me getting through this in one piece, whatever the outcome. I know that. I've had counselling many times before and it has always been helpful.

My visa does allow me to work. My work permit only arrived a few weeks ago, and with it being so close to Christmas I decided to wait until the new year to commit to a permanent job. I've tried to get some freelance work but haven't had much luck.

I'm ok for money. We have a joint account. I do talk to him before making any large purchases (like over $250) but once I get a job I'll be opening an account of my own here. I can't not come back to the US. She will have won.

ohdearme1958 · 02/12/2016 15:04

She will have won

Let her win vodka. And not just because all she'll win is the booby prize.

You're worth way more than pride getting in the way of any decision you make.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/12/2016 15:08

What ohdearme wrote.

TheInternetIsForPorn · 02/12/2016 15:09

I've just read all this and bread and Vodka, I'll be honest, I can't honestly say that I'd come back to the US. In my suitcase for Christmas I'd pack all my essential personal things so I feel I have a choice.

I'd also tell DH that this Christmas is his one and only chance to step up to the plate and prove that he sees you as his family. To see his mum, sure, you wouldn't not ask him to, but to prioritise you. If he can't do that then he is telling you very clearly what he wants from life.

All I'm saying is give yourself the opportunity to make that choice. And him the choice to do it.

Good luck.

SeaEagleFeather · 02/12/2016 15:14

I can't not come back to the US. She will have won.

In a nice way - get some perspective.

You're letting her draw you into a battle. In the scale of your life, this woman shouldn't be pushing you so hard that you make a life changing decision just because you want to beat her.

Keep your eye on the goal of the -war-, don't get drawn into a side-battle that puts YOU to a lot of inconvenience. You're playing into her hands.

Btw, it's worth keeping an eye on the goal of the war. Is he worth fighting for? He's not choosing you atm, he's choosing her, as he's been conditioned to. If you wish to stay with him anyway, you'd be taking on a long term and painful battle for him, one that comes with added MIL poison. It will make your life difficult.

Sometimes love is not enough.

ElizabethHoney · 02/12/2016 15:19

Out of love and respect for his mother, it's understandable if he wants to keep in touch.

If she fully apologises for her behaviour towards you, it's reasonable that asks you to give her another chance, including alternate Christmasses in future.

But its unfair to ask you to spend Christmas with her when she is entirely unrepentant and therefore likely to be cruel again. And it's unfair to ask you to spend yet another Christmas away from your partner, now husband.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/12/2016 15:28

Elizabeth,

re your comments:-

"Out of love and respect for his mother, it's understandable if he wants to keep in touch".

Its not about love and respect for his mother. He is in a FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) state and has been conditioned to put his mother before everything and everyone else including his wife. She wants to be worshipped and OPs husband's inertia when it comes to both his parents hurts him as well as OP.

"If she fully apologises for her behaviour towards you, it's reasonable that asks you to give her another chance, including alternate Christmasses in future"

That will never happen and OP also has a DH problem as well as problems with his mother. Her DH has been thoroughly brainwashed into accepting his mother's narcissistic ways without question. She was also behaving appallingly long before they actually married; the writing was on the wall for their marriage back then. Toxic people like his mother never apologise nor accept any responsibility for their actions.

Kr1stina · 02/12/2016 16:00

The MIL will never apologise and she will always behave badly again . She's been doing to all her life, why would she stop now ?

Some posters suggested that Vodka meets her MIL with other people there, presumably because they think that will make MIL behave. That won't work with a narc, they are much cleverer than that.

This is how a narc MIL does a happy family Christmas .

She will be practising now, making a list of all the things that vodka has done wrong ( in her opinion ) over the last 10 years. This will be carefully prepared and crafted to make sure it's as hurtful as possible.

For example, she will suggest that vodka is lying about the abuse she suffered, or that is was in fact her fault . She will say that she is sponging off her husband as she doesn't work and that she just married him for his money . Or that she mentally unstable. Basically whatever vodka feels bad about, she will use it to stick the knife in .

Then on the happy day, she will be watching carefully for an opportunity to launch her attack. Even if vodka is the epitome of good manners, she will find or create an opportunity to start her diatribe .

Everyone else in the room will sit in silence and let her get on with it. No one will intervene, they have been well trained . Then as soon as she has delivered her last line, she will do one of the following

Cluctch her chest and gasp " get my pills John it's my heart "
Collapse onto a chair and pretend she's having a stroke / migraine
Or if she has a pre existing illness, she will use that eg pretend to have a hypo

Everyone will rush to help MIL, leaving stunned vodka sitting in the chair alone . MIL will recover just enough to mutter

" did you hear them terrible things she said to me ? " .

If she's a true pro she will even insist on calling an ambulance .

And it will go down in family history as the day When vodka ruined Christmas by making her MIL have an angina attack .

Kr1stina · 02/12/2016 16:14

Vodka - read this guest post and see if it rings any bells

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/guest_posts/2794713-Guest-post-When-you-have-an-abusive-partner-Christmas-is-a-nightmare

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 02/12/2016 16:31

Kr1stna a version of that scenario would be likely, I don't think I can put myself through it.

He's not abusive. But I know he isn't choosing me. He says he chose me because he married me, but I'm not so sure about that.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 02/12/2016 16:34

I'm so muddled and sad I don't even know if I'm making any sense

Kr1stina · 02/12/2016 16:39

You are making perfect sense to me .

And no wonder you are muddled and sad.

Did you recognise any of your feelings in that guest post about abuse ?

FrancisCrawford · 02/12/2016 16:56

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