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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

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yellowfrog · 30/11/2016 15:26

I just read your whole thread - what a hideous nightmare. Sod being picked up at the airport by MIL & FIL though. It's just another way to make you and her be in the same space. I would tell DH he can do whatever suits him, but you will be getting taxi/lift with friends/lift with parents. Whatever you do will cause trouble, so don't worry about that. At the moment your DH can upset you with his plans because it's easier for him to deal with an upset you than with an upset DM. Time to make it unpleasant for him to deal with upsetting you.

DrowningInPoop · 30/11/2016 15:50

I think you need to not worry about her feelings as she (and DH) clearly don't care about yours!

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 30/11/2016 16:16

Name change. I'm not going to get in a car with them, no way. The complicating factor is we have a wedding in the middle of nowhere the next day so it would be easier to be together.

However I think I'm just going to have to ask my parents to collect me if he won't agree to a taxi. Every time I bring the taxi up he says well where will we be going? I thought that by suggesting BIL (to pick us up and stay overnight with) I would be providing a solution that he would be happy with because it would still be his family, but no Sad I'm not just assuming we could stay with BIL and SIL btw they have suggested it before.

I am starting to feel that my feelings come at the bottom of the pile. We're going to have to talk about this before we go home...

myyoyo · 30/11/2016 16:29

Can you stay at a premier lodge or something?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 30/11/2016 16:47

I've suggested that too myyoyo. Trouble is, the wedding is in a village in the middle of nowhere but the closest town is... Where my in-laws live! So DH won't spend money on a hotel when he could stay with his parents.

We could have stayed with other relatives in the past but know MIL and her DSis aren't talking because of all this it will put the DSis in a difficult position so we can't do that. Feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall and that's only the first 24 hours of our visit...

MakeMyWineADouble · 30/11/2016 16:56

Time to be firm and stand up to your dh! From reading the thread it sounds like he is trying to manipulate you!! And play on your love for him to get his own way!! I don't think you need any more discussions or talking it though, my vote is you tell him I am being collected by x from the airport and I will be staying at y hotel for the wedding! He can do what he thinks is right! But I honestly I think if you don't starting putting your foot down with him he will end up manipulating you like your MIL tries too!! Stand up for yourself and what you need Flowers

FrancisCrawford · 30/11/2016 17:01

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Dozer · 30/11/2016 17:10

Your H is part of the problem here and needs to respect your (very reasonable) boundaries. If he's struggling that much he should seek help from books about toxic parents and a therapist, not emotionally blackmailing you!

myyoyo · 30/11/2016 18:16

Why is this all dh's decision?

ummizoomi · 30/11/2016 21:08

Why don't you do your own thing? Get your parents to come pick u up or take a taxi! Living abroad and away from ur family justifies you wanting to spend time with them. So don't do xmas with MIL. Spend it with ur family.

You moan about his mother controlling you but your DH seems to be the narc who refuses to give two shits about your feelings!

And he seems so controlling!!! How can he demand his parents come pick u up but not your parents!

user1471455262 · 30/11/2016 22:42

Can you arrange for a driver to meet you at the gate? It could actually be very satisfying. Put on a hat and dark glasses, have the driver hold up a sign that says "glamourpuss" and sweep by your dh, mil and fil without a word while you get into your private car. Sorted.

mummyto2monkeys · 30/11/2016 23:17

OP your 'd'h is being completely out of order! He is forcing this situation into an ultimatum. I don't think I could continue in a marriage, where my husband valued my feelings so little. You too have been through hell! Your husband should want to protect you, instead he is proving unfortunately that like his Mother, he may well be a first class narcissist. You deserve better! You have done nothing wrong! He knows that, yet is still manipulating you! I think in a similar situation, dh would be told that if he really didn't care about my feelings, we would leave that airport separated.

You need to stand up for yourself! If you don't, nobody else will! If you can, read up on toxic inlaws/ parents. Look up narcissism, golden child/scapegoat/children growing up to become narcissists/ marry narcissists themselves. I hate saying this but your dh is sounding more and more like a narcissist himself. He clearly values your emotions way less than his own.

Please read up on narcissism, if you think that your dh fits the categories and you realise that there have been abusive behaviours, please look up the freedom program.

My husband has had to work incredibly hard, to not repeat the negative, narcissistic behaviour of his parents. When we became parents ourselves, he looked to my Father for inspiration for how to parent. So often he will be about to say something and he will check himself and stop in his tracks. My dh is not a narcissist, although when under their influence he became very narcissistic. It may just be that your dh's parents are very much in control of your husbands life. If that is the case, then you can save your marriage, however the only way to do that is to go as low contact as possible.

www.amazon.co.uk/Toxic--Laws-Strategies-Protecting-Marriage-ebook/dp/B003WJRE4Q/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480546948&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=toxix+inlaws

www.amazon.co.uk/Toxic-Parents-Susan-Forward-ebook/dp/B003Q6D5PM/ref=pd_sim_351_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=VGA43KRNNM56R8EHE42P

www.amazon.co.uk/When-Love-Lie-Narcissistic-Pathological-ebook/dp/B00D17093M/ref=pd_cp_351_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=3DS0NNF1JAPV9NQSYY5M

Joysmum · 01/12/2016 08:58

You could also try to have an agreement in place whereby he goes through baggage reclaim swiftly and you dawdle so they've gone before to go through the arrivals gate.

The avoids the awkwardness of both sets of parents waiting in arrivals at the same time.

That means you'd need to trust him to reflect your wishes though.

Dozer · 01/12/2016 10:52

You mention that doing certain (reasonable) things, like not agreeing to be driven with PIL and arranging an alternative, will "create problems". Your DH also seems to be suggesting that you are part of the problem, eg "having to choose".

That's not the case. The problem is his parents' and his own behaviour.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 02/12/2016 04:54

Ok. I have read all the above posts. Will be looking at the links etc.

It may be the alcohol talking as I've had a few drinks tonight. But I'm now getting the impression that my DH is trying to get out of my family party on 18th dec. Literally the only family event i have asked him to. He's saying he wants to talk about it later.

They've never done anything to upset or annoy him as far as I know. This event has been rearranged to happen while we are in the UK. AIBU to be annoyed about this on the circumstances or am I being over-sensitive with everything else going on?

Isetan · 02/12/2016 06:27

This isn't a MIL problem, it's a DH problem. It appears he's willing to go to some length to pressure you into a relationship that isn't good for your mental health and all because it's easier for him. Think about it, think about how he/they will use your possible future children as leverage against you.

I know you've been with this man a long time and you love him but unless he develops a backbone he will continually throw you under the bus in order to protect himself. The latest development is probably just another tactic to pressure you into towing the party line. Living in the US or being married won't change his attitude, think very carefully about marrying this man because it could so easily get worse.

MrsPeelyWally · 02/12/2016 06:29

He's now blackmailing you into giving in.

Bitlost · 02/12/2016 06:36

Your husband needs to grow up and cut his mother off. He should have cut her off when she was horrible to you about the abuse you suffered.

FrancisCrawford · 02/12/2016 06:38

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franklyidontgiveadamscarlet · 02/12/2016 07:34

You have this one life and you need to choose to be happy without drama.
Your Husband is choosing otherwise here.
You need your own line in the sand to what you want with this whole carry on.
If this grown man cant choose your safety and well being over his own mother then what does that's say about him.
Go with your heart and do what brings you comfort.
I would love to see you take control and tell your man that you are being picked up on the day with friends or family at the airport. I would love to be a fly on the wall when his parents think they have won and they come to pick up you both and you have made other arrangements. And if you say Poor Dh husband I will feel bad for him. Does he fell bad for you .. No...........

You know what ever excuse we make for people what excuse do they make for you.
What is excuse for making you unhappy and full of anxiety.
No matter what and where he is in this fog does not excuse where you are sitting in this relationship
Let him fight for you.

Don't let him bully you.

Because that is what is going on..

Noctilucent · 02/12/2016 08:21

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cafenoirbiscuit · 02/12/2016 13:04

I wonder if he - in a very misguided way btw - feels a bit safer in himself with his parents if he has you there? You're clearly very strong, maybe you're his security blanket? And he's frightened to face these terrible people on his own. Not that there is any excuse for his failing to back you up here - I'd be livid. Stay strong - look forward to spending time with your own rels and maybe DHs aunt? Good luck xx

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 02/12/2016 13:24

We just talked about it. He's not coming. It's on 18th, which is 2 days after we land. He says it's unfair on his parents to rush off to something else, as we have a wedding the day before.

So I'm going to be humiliated as everyone will know he would prefer to be with his parents than with me. He's just gone off to work so I have all day to stew over this.

What the fuck am I going to do now?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 02/12/2016 13:38

Apparently I don't get to play the 'wife card' if I won't see his immediate family. This isn't going to end well, is it? I'm so angry with him.

OOAOML · 02/12/2016 13:43

Well presumably he doesn't get to play the 'husband card' if he won't protect you from his mother.

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