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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
imjessie · 14/05/2017 20:43

My MIL is exactly like this and thinks I am the problem . She has been vile to me behind DH back and to my face is Sickly sweet . She had a big flounce a few years ago on our answerphone and he never called her back . We haven't seen her since . She sends cards and I send thank you letters for the children . I feel sorry for her because she doesn't have her child or her grandchildren in her life but it's kinda her fault !!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/05/2017 21:13

imjessie

re your comment:-
"She sends cards and I send thank you letters for the children . I feel sorry for her because she doesn't have her child or her grandchildren in her life but it's kinda her fault !!"

You have not seen her since but you maintain a level of contact by responding to her hoovering behaviour. Hoovering is a well used tactic to try and regain some control over you. I would urge you therefore not to continue sending thank you letters; the cards from her are unwanted really by yourselves and are simply not needed.
She is really riding roughshod over any boundaries you have made here. No response from you should be the way forward.

ANY response from you is the reward for such disordered of thinking people; they know they've got you then. Radio silence from you must be maintained.

Do not feel sorry for her either; she is not worthy of this. You cannot and must not apply the "normal" rules of familial relations to dysfunctional people like your H's mother. She has not ever given you any real consideration whatsoever has she.

imjessie · 14/05/2017 22:08

Good point , I didn't see it like that to be honest . I just wanted to be the bigger person and not ignoring it . She has told people in the village all sorts and I can hear her saying ' she never thanks me for the money I send ( even though we don't want or need it ) ' so I thought this was the best course of action ..I'll have a rethink .. I don't know what hoovering means but she is definitely narcissistic in her personality and is always the victim whilst we are the bad guys .. which frankly simply isn't true !

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 22:48

He's been out for hours without a word. In the unlikely event that he doesn't come back tonight I will be booking a flight back home for a while. That is worst case scenario obviously but I feel like I need to have a plan in case he decides to go down that road Sad

Hissy · 14/05/2017 22:50

Vodka, it's ok. Please try not to panic.

It's just another day. Tomorrow is another day any you will get through this.

Breathe. It'll be ok. Whatever happens

RandomMess · 14/05/2017 22:52
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scootinFun · 14/05/2017 23:20

I am sure he'll be back Vodka - no doubt he's had a fairly excitable night. Try and get some sleep if you can.

ohfourfoxache · 14/05/2017 23:31

All I can offer is a hand hold Thanks

mikeyssister · 14/05/2017 23:36

He'll come back, but he'll probably be hurt and annoyed with you, because in his mind you're being unreasonable.

He'll be thinking it's not too much for him to ask for you to meet his parents when when they've travelled all this way ti see you both.

My MIL isn't as bad, but my kids have definitely been affected by her relationship and attitude to me, and have lost a degree of respect for their dad because he didn't stop it. It really struck me today because of something DD3 said.

Madasahattersteaparty123 · 14/05/2017 23:56

What a horrible situation to be in. Hopefully he comes home soon

FloralCouchPants · 14/05/2017 23:59

@Vodka, I just read through the whole post, im also in the states, so if you need to rant when he gets home there is at least someone here to read it. Flowers

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 15/05/2017 01:15

Thank you Floral, that's good to know

mikeyssister · 15/05/2017 01:23

How are you doing Vodka? Have you heard from him?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 15/05/2017 01:32

Not a word, and it's 8.30 here. He's been out over 9 hours without a word. Not impressed tbh. I'm feeling a bit low at the moment. I'm not going to chase him though.

mikeyssister · 15/05/2017 01:37

Don't chase him , it's time he put his big boy pants on and started behaving like an adult.

You've done nothing wrong.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 15/05/2017 02:17

Well, a friend told me that DH sent him a picture about 5pm of him being silly. So he's quite obviously alright... Pretty fucking angry now. This is totally unfair and inconsiderate.

mikeyssister · 15/05/2017 02:46

He's an idiot. But obviously struggling with his emotions. He loves you both and doesn't know how to handle the situation.

He needs to understand that when he married you he was making a commitment to you, not his mother. He may not agree with how your feeling, and he doesn't have to. What he does have to do is support you.

Rescuepuppydaft2 · 15/05/2017 02:58

That is completely out of order of him! My guess is he is probably out with his parents. I'm sorry Vodka, my husband at least came home to face the music when things kicked off.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 15/05/2017 03:14

Well, apparently he is coming home tonight. So kind of him to let me know after fucking off for 12 hours. I'm really close to being done with this right now- feel like he's taking the piss out of me.

Atenco · 15/05/2017 03:56
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VodkaLimeSoda27 · 15/05/2017 04:10

He's back. I've gone to bed but am so mad I can't seem to sleep. He had very little to say for himself. I'm so hurt. Not going to shitty contract job tomorrow because fuck that.

RogueBiscuit · 15/05/2017 05:11

I've had a similar experience. And it went on and on. I'm divorced now. It was really bad.

I spent years thinking I had in law problems. But I really didn't. I had a husband problem, and I think you do as well. He is emotionally abusing you and manipulating you. He doesn't respect your boundrys and punishes you when you won't do as he wants. And he's done it again and again. Along with allowing his mother to abuse you.

No grown up needs their spouse present for contact with a parent. He's not a child and it doesn't really effect him whether you're there or not. I'm sorry to say that I think a lot of abusive men use the issue with in laws as a tool to bully and abuse their wives with. And they get away with it because it is perceived as them mistakenly trying to do the right thing out of loyalty or they are perceived as being so bullied and afraid they can't speak up. Boo hoo.

Really it doesn't matter why they are doing it because the effects on you are the same, you don't get listened to, and you're expected to martyr yourself to keep him happy. Your feelings don't matter.That's not ok.

Having lived this nightmare for far longer than I should, I suggest you take the focus off your in laws and start examining your husbands behaviour. It's not about your in laws. Plenty of people have difficult families and they don't bully their spouses into submission like this.

Read back through your thread and replace in laws for something else that you don't want to do. Like sex, moving house or financial issues. Your husbands manipulation would be shocking wouldn't it. Too often people get caught up in what the manipulation is about , but in a way it doesn't matter because the real issue is that manipulation is happening.

Forget the inlaws. Address the manipulation and his lack of care for you. Don't be fooled that this is a manipulation caused by honour. There's plenty more "honourable" things a man can use to manipulate with. Children for one. Illness, depression, aging parents, employment.

So far he's using several well known emotional abuse tactics, guilt tripping, playing dumb, minimizing, disrespecting, breaking promises. And now he's using the withdrawing technique and silent treatment. These are not normal responses op. They're really not.

The only certainty about emotional abuse is that it escalates (as your thread describes). People experiencing this really only have two options, and that is to either give in, or get away. Giving in often seems the easiest option, especially if the issue is not one you want to end your marriage over. Splitting up over inlaws is petty really. Splitting up when dealing with a controlling abusive spouse is not.

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 15/05/2017 06:29

I'm sorry to see that he was so inconsiderate of your feelings to go out without letting you know what's going on. That's not really what you do in a marriage is it?

If you have the funds, I wouldn't dismiss the thought of coming home for some TLC while you leave him to stew.

Thinking of you x

crabb · 15/05/2017 06:41

Vodka, I have no experience of a situation like yours, but just wanted to say I'm thinking of you, and I don't blame you for being angry. He doesn't appear to be on your side, and if it was me, I would have seen him going on the cruise as a betrayal. I don't know how you can get past all this. You're so far from home and your support network, it must be very lonely. Hope you got some sleep, and new insight comes with the new day. Flowers for you.

Deploycharitygoats · 15/05/2017 08:17

OP, I've just sat and read the whole thread and RogueBiscuit has it painfully right, especially this bit

Read back through your thread and replace in laws for something else that you don't want to do. Like sex, moving house or financial issues. Your husbands manipulation would be shocking wouldn't it. Too often people get caught up in what the manipulation is about , but in a way it doesn't matter because the real issue is that manipulation is happening

It's not easy to hear, I know. But while you love your DH to distraction, he loves you only when you're compliant. No one who truly loves you would do this. Just compare how your parents respond to your needs to his manipulation.

I'm sorry, I truly am. It's time to take care of yourself properly, long term.