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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

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ohfourfoxache · 14/05/2017 16:42

Yyy to all of Attila's post ^

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 16:48

Yes, we will be going to therapy. I probably shouldn't have responded- the thought of being rude to anyone really gets me, which in this situation I recognise is mad!!

He was lovely at first, we had a nice day. When I got the initial message he was supportive and said I shouldn't see her alone. It was only when I said I didn't want to see her at all and that I felt I had already done enough that he got upset.

I am genuinely worried about him. He said he's not going to make me go because it isn't helping and he recognises it would probably do more harm than good but that he feels all muddled like there is too much information in his head. I think they will probably give him a terrible time Sad by the same token, I can't rescue him here. He has to extricate himself

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 16:53

And 100% I won't be seeing her before they leave. Not a chance in hell.

AceholeRimmer · 14/05/2017 16:55

Why on earth is he upset that you won't see her at all? Why is he surprised!? It is like banging your head on a brick wall.

RandomMess · 14/05/2017 17:02

I should think he knows his Mum is going to be very nasty about you and that is horrific for him because it is evidence that she is awful, you are correct and he can't deal with his whole life being built on false belief - I'm sure many end up with PTSD when they have this revelation tbh!

Flowers you have done nothing wrong, KOKO

Hissy · 14/05/2017 17:19

vodka I hadn't realised this was still going on!

In my last message at Christmas I stated that the whole thing only starts up again when it's allowed to start again.

Now at least you have got to the Hell no stage. It doesn't matter if she rants or if he raves, you've said no, that's it. He genuinely needs to get it or get out.

I'm so sorry, you shouldn't have to be dealing with this, it's just horrendous.

I'm glad you have us here. Keep posting x Flowers

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 18:08

It is pretty awful. I haven't heard from DH since I told him I got a rant from her that I'm not going to respond to. This isn't unusual- if he's not coping he'll bury his head in the sand.

She is a fool to herself really because all she's done is ruin the last day of her holiday and the last day she'll see her son for months.

I've gone out to train for my half marathon walk. I'm not spending all day feeling miserable because of this.

ohfourfoxache · 14/05/2017 18:12

Oh Christ Vodka

His reaction isn't great tbh. It just shows that exactly fuck all has changed.

Sweetheart I'm so sorry, but he needs to do a fuck load of changing if you're going to stand a chance. At the moment he's not treating you well at all.

Do you think he's capable of changing?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 18:16

It's not a great reaction. I love him but he needs to grow up tbh. I hope he's capable of changing but I don't know Sad

ohfourfoxache · 14/05/2017 18:25

What are you going to do?

ohfourfoxache · 14/05/2017 18:25

Please don't feel that you need to answer that actually - it's not my business Thanks

DaemonPantalaemon · 14/05/2017 18:28

It's not a great reaction. I love him but he needs to grow up tbh. I hope he's capable of changing but I don't know

This exactly what a few of us were saying a few pages back, and got short shrift from you. The Mumsnet mantra in these situations is that you have a DH problem, not an MIL problem. I hope he agrees to therapy and that he can see he is as much a victim of this woman as you have been. The difference between you is that you are strong enough to say no because you recognise that nothing about this is normal. Instead of helping you in asserting your boundaries, he is trampling them down. Honestly, if you do not address your husband's role in this, you are going to be having exactly this dynamic all your married life. What is saving you at the moment is the distance between you and this ghastly woman. You need to address this in therapy while you are there, out of the sphere of her influence, because it really is no way to live. I am so so glad hear you have refused to be manipulated into seeing her, stay strong!

Hissy · 14/05/2017 18:53

Her ruining a day won't be upsetting to her, or ruinous to HER day... she has caused grief in the lives of others.

It's about attention, her need to be noticed, to be present in other people's lives.

No such thing as bad attention for someone like her.

A mildly amateur narc will be able to flip this tirade she's inflicted into being all your fault.

You do have a dh problem, I know you know this, but please don't ascribe normal people rules and thoughts to her OR h tbh, neither will think this thru properly.

PLUS... he's reverted to son mode.

Get through these next hours until she's gone and get thee to therapy.

And yes, it's a therapist or a divorce lawyer, he has to see the seriousness of the situation

Has he seen her email?

diddl · 14/05/2017 19:07

So you have had another rant & all he is is sad that you won't see her?

Rescuepuppydaft2 · 14/05/2017 19:14

Be prepared for a massive fallout Vodka, your dh has spent two weeks at a Nazi internment camp being interrogated, reprogrammed and brainwashed. I don't jest there, my husband has been in a very similar situation and that was his description. It almost killed our marriage, he almost let it. The overload in your dh's head is his conscience fighting against everything they have been saying to him over the previous weeks, circling around his mind. It is almost a war inside his mind! I was treated like a piece of dirt on his shoe until I had it out with him and everything came pouring out. I'm so glad it did as I honestly think it was driving him mad. He started out almost hating me when he first came back, then once it all came out he felt horrendously disloyal to me, angry at himself and yet still like he had disappointed his parents. It took another two years before they stepped( bulldozed over) and pushed too far and the relationship was not salvageable. At that time as they could not get to me, they berated my dh and destroyed his self-esteem, before spreading horrendous lies and sending in flying monkeys to humiliate him publicly on social media.

My dh reached bottom and crashed hard, they destroyed him emotionally and it took three lots of therapy and a shed load of love, patience and understanding to help build his self esteem again.
We have been no contact for almost six years from his parent's now and can honestly say that we have never been happier.

I want to say not to feel guilty for being stuck in that cycle, I spent ten years in that repetitive cycle, but in that time my dh was able to see that I had tried, that I had allowed myself to be hurt and made myself ill in the process. You have tried for him, you have made yourself emotionally vulnerable and given in to his demands to see his parents. Yet his Mother has shown again and again that she is not sorry for as single word she has ever said to you. There is no bitterness towards me now. I have never forced him to stash away from his parents, he has made that decision for his own wellbeing. I got to the stage where I had to cease contact to protect our children and myself both emotionally and psychologically. I had put up with so much abuse from them, but it was when they turned on our children age 2 and 4 that I had enough.

Please don't lose hope, if you are blissfully happy unless his parents are mentioned/ call/ contact you, there is hope. I don't think our marriage would have survived if we were having other problems on top of that.
Lastly I will leave you with a quote that a friend uses frequently

'Give them enough rope and they will hang them selves', leopard's don't change their spots, a narcissist will always be as narcissist. Stay cool, calm and loving, be the calm among their storm and you will show them for the unreasonable people, cruel narcissists that theory are.

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 14/05/2017 19:55

Sending you a big hug darling

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 19:55

Thank you for your story Rescue, it is helpful to hear how others have dealt with this situation.

DH hasn't been in touch since I told him that MIL sent a rant. I'm assuming he's with them now, as it's the last day of their trip. I'm not going to run around after him calling him.

I don't know whether she has shown him the message, but I specifically kept mine measured and polite knowing that he will probably see it. Still haven't replied to hers and have no intention of doing so. I hope that he can see that she has basically hanged herself there.

I'm heading home now, didn't really do any training. Feel too sad and frankly bloody exhausted keeping a smile on my face for the world for the last few weeks with this rumbling on.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 19:56

Thanks Cake x

ShatnersWig · 14/05/2017 20:06

This is precisely what I expected and what I said would happen but was taken to task for. He will NOT change. This is going to be the repeated cycle for the rest of the relationship if you stay.

ohfourfoxache · 14/05/2017 20:13

Don't be surprised if you crash now Vodka. You've been living off adrenaline for so long that, when this is all over, you collapse mentally, physically and emotionally Thanks

You need to look after you Thanks

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 14/05/2017 20:21

Go home via McDs (I had one today) and go cuddle up with a book or movie. If I were you I would contemplate saying to DH that you don't want to discuss MIL at all until you've booked a therapy session and then just repeat...

Timeforteaplease · 14/05/2017 20:28

Have you forwarded a copy of the 'rant' to your DH so he can see exactly what she wrote?

RandomMess · 14/05/2017 20:34
Flowers
VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 20:40

Haha I did have a McDonald's Cake! My default response when I'm feeling a bit crappy. I like the idea of not discussing MIL until we get to therapy but don't know if it will be practical. I think his attitude when he comes back will be very telling.

I haven't sent him the rant yet but will be showing it to him. I don't know, think I'd rather talk face to face if we are going to discuss it because things can get misinterpreted over Facebook messenger. I know that he may not read it if I send it while he's out, anyway.

I have a lot to think about. I haven't been sleeping too well the last few days so I've gone back to bed with a book. Might be a bit self-indulgent according to some but I don't give a rat's arse today Wink

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 20:42

Hope you are all having a better Sunday than I am btw Flowers

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