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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
ohfourfoxache · 12/05/2017 09:46

Just checking in - thinking of you, I really hope things are going smoothly

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 12/05/2017 13:46

Thank you all ❤ it has been lovely to read over the new messages this morning. I've been focusing on my half-marathon training this week so haven't been online as much. I'm hoping that the realisation that I am capable of doing it seeps into the rest of my life and gives me more confidence. Some dick calling me chubby on the train yesterday because I wouldn't give him money didn't help though Hmm

They get back tomorrow from the cruise. I have been looking into therapists this week to try and find some realistic for our budget.

I think I'm going to try a different approach with DH when he comes back- when the inevitable question comes as to whether I'll see them before they fly home and I say no, he'll probably ask what he will tell them. I need to remember that this isn't my problem. What he chooses to tell them is up to him.

ohfourfoxache · 12/05/2017 14:19

Vodka I think that's an excellent idea. You need to put it back on him - he simply cannot keep expecting you to pander to them and expect you to provide excuses if you don't.

I'm really really glad to see you back here love xx

Bumshkawahwah · 12/05/2017 14:47

I meant to end my ramblings on a more positive note! I think you are amazingly strong when you think of what you have dealt with and are dealing with in your life. And you are completely right...it is his problem. Just say no!

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 12/05/2017 15:08

Sounds good apart from the idiot calling you chubby!

Spadequeen · 12/05/2017 21:02

Good idea. His problem not yours.

mikeyssister · 12/05/2017 23:14

I don't know, I don't care works for me when he asks what he should tell them.

He needs to learn not to make you the bad guy.

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 13/05/2017 15:54

Hope you're OK. Can't remember how long they're around for before they go come back to the UK?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 13/05/2017 18:29

I'm ok Cake. He is on his way back to our apartment. They leave on Monday, so this will at least be over soon.

Thank you to everyone who has called me strong, your kind words have truly bolstered my spirits and given me courage. And yes, he does need to learn to not make me the bad guy. I deserve better than that.

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 13/05/2017 19:50

Hope you get a nice hug from DH and that he doesn't put pressure on you to see them. Roll on Monday!

ohfourfoxache · 13/05/2017 19:59

Last leg now - you can genuinely start counting down

mikeyssister · 13/05/2017 20:30

FlowersCake

It's the final countdown (thank you Europe)

NerosFiddle · 14/05/2017 14:58

Hope you're doing ok Vodka. Just one more day!

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 15:19

It's begun! She sent me a message last night asking to meet me alone in an effort to improve our relationship before more time passes and that we won't talk about anything 'heavy'. Not a chance in hell...

I told DH I wouldn't be doing that and he agreed that was a bad idea, not going to happen etc. However... He is upset that I won't meet her at all. No surprises there. Saying we'll have all the same problems at Christmas, is this going to always be awkward and the rest.

I get that he's upset. But I'm getting tired of this.

I don't know how to respond to MIL. I don't want to have any more arguments with her, though I expect that will happen when I decline to do this. She sent the message last night and knows I will have seen it. Any thoughts?

RandomMess · 14/05/2017 15:26

"No, that doesn't work for me" and literally nothing else, springs to mind.

I can't even remember whether she actually ever apologised? I need to go and reread it all tbh!

inlectorecumbit · 14/05/2017 15:31

No thanks.... is enough ( feel free to omit the thanks)

You don't have to give a reason (she already knows why).
To your DH- -yes nothing has changed it will be the same every Christmas etc. This is of her doing caused by her behaviour. She failed to make amends last Christmas. No more chances.
If he doesn't support you in this - or will not stop going on about it, you have a difficult decision to make.

Let him know this !!! Flowers

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 15:52

So, I politely declined and wished them a good rest of their holiday. Just waiting for the explosion now... DH has left the building as he wants to be alone.

ohfourfoxache · 14/05/2017 16:21

He still doesn't get it, does he?

RandomMess · 14/05/2017 16:22

I have just re-read, so yes she did the complete fake apology and hasn't made any amends and then hi-jacked your DH leave by creating the cruise situation.

We'll be here for you if it all kicks off (well when it does kick off).

It does sound like you need to remind your DH that your boundary is that you will be civil and polite and wider family occasions and beyond that you will not spend time with her - does he want you to put that in writing to FIL & MIL?

Flowers
AceholeRimmer · 14/05/2017 16:24

You're a strong woman Vodka. I've read your whole thread and you are firm in your boundaries and sticking to them. Yes you've met them a few times in recent months but you're stuck between a rock and a hard place and your DP pretty much emotionally pushed you. The people being harsh on this thread have obviously been through this themselves and more and just don't want you to suffer for years. What I don't understand is why they are pushing so much, and why your DP is? Why can't he just see them and you never need to? I don't get why you have to be present and what they get out of it. It sounds like you barely speak to them anyway when you're with them.. surely it's better for them to see their son alone!? I just don't get why they all can't leave you alone. Your DP isn't listening to you.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 16:24

Nope... Feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. Just had a long rant back from her. Not going to respond- she's trying to pick a fight.

Noctilucent · 14/05/2017 16:28

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VodkaLimeSoda27 · 14/05/2017 16:30

Sorry, x-posted!! The message she sent makes it very obvious that she isn't sorry and that I'm getting the blame for this entire situation, so yes to the fake apology.

I messaged DH to say I'd been in touch with her and that I wouldn't be responding to the message I got back. It isn't worth it, she's trying to up the ante and provoke me. So we'll see what happens now.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/05/2017 16:41

"Not going to respond- she's trying to pick a fight"

Indeed she is. Toxic people like his mother like nothing more than a. a fight and b. the last word. Infact it would have been wise not to have responded to her initial message, it was really a bear trap designed for you to fall into.

Unfortunately your DHs own inertia re his parents continues to hurt him as well as you. He is upset simply and only because he is going to have to face this again, deep down he wishes that you could all get along so that he would not have to deal with any of this. He cannot and will not deal with this situation. He certainly won't change his opinion anytime or anywhere short of intense therapy; is he actually going to see a therapist re the relationship with his parents?.

ohfourfoxache · 14/05/2017 16:41

How has he been with you since getting back from the cruise?

Vodka no matter how much she rants, I really and truly think that you need to not see her.

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