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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
DaemonPantalaemon · 08/05/2017 00:25

I have not set out to make you feel like shit. Nor do I think you are stupid. I am just pointing out a pattern that has been clear from the beginning, and according to which what would happen was entirely predictable, and that will continue into the future because your mother in law will not change, nor will your husband. I do understand your anger, but the person to be angry with is actually your husband. I wish you well, and will not comment on your thread again.

Coconut70 · 08/05/2017 01:04

poor you was it a meal or a coffee you had to endure? good on you not pretending everything is forgiven and glossing over. was mil on her very very best behaviour?

it's all so emotionally exhausting and crap isn't it? it grinds you down. I totally understand your hatred of mil. I feel the same and as a Christian I struggle with my hatred of her an inability to forgive her hateful behaviour.

good on you recognising the need for self care and to recharge. eat some good sweeties and crap tv and crap novels. things are magnified as you are away from your support network in uk. rest and try and rebuild yourself if you know what I mean. thinking of you xxx

MrsPeelyWaly · 08/05/2017 01:30

I'm not as stupid as you think. Thanks for making me feel absolutely like shit though

Vodka this is exactly what your husband and MIL does.

Awhoosh · 08/05/2017 01:30

Good to hear you are having a bit of a relaxing time. It's been really stressful. I don't think Daemon's post was helpful.

MrsPeelyWaly · 08/05/2017 01:39

good on you recognising the need for self care and to recharge. eat some good sweeties and crap tv and crap novels. things are magnified as you are away from your support network in uk. rest and try and rebuild yourself if you know what I mean. thinking of you xxx

This whole situation is very unhealthy but I think Vodka does actually get a lot out if it and there is too much self care going on. It's a huge part of the whole situation.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 08/05/2017 01:46

Err sorry what am I getting out of this? Apart from a load of bloody grief I don't know. I just wanted to get married to the man I have loved since I was 18 and for us to have a nice life in the way we chose.

I've tried to step away from the drama my MIL creates and yeah, I haven't extricated myself in the way I would have wished. After what has been a pretty turbulent fucking life, I'm entitled to look after myself when I feel like shit. I have PTSD from being sexually abused and raped as a teenager, and when I don't take good care of myself everything goes to shit. So take your judgement of me peely, and stick it right up your arse

Thank you to everyone who has been supportive, I appreciate you so much. I know I have a way to go and things aren't as they should be. DH is under no illusion how angry I am.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 08/05/2017 01:49

coconut it was a meal at a bar I chose, because I know the staff and knew I could escape. Well, they ate a meal and drank. I stuck to soft drinks.

I can definitely empathise with the struggle to forgive- I sometimes feel like my anger is poisoning me and turning me into someone I don't like. That hasn't been helped this evening!

MrsPeelyWaly · 08/05/2017 01:52

Sorry, I posted my reply too soon.

Everyone in this carry on is getting something out of it and for me it's no longer about what Vodka isn't getting out of it, it's about what she is. At times the situation reads like a Victorian melodrama and instead of someone having an attack of the vapors they have an attack of self care.

This situation is suiting Vodka. They really are all in it together.

Luncharmstrong · 08/05/2017 01:54

You live in a different country from her.
Forget your hatred and be the bigger person

Your husband loves his mum. Be with him and her at family dos. It's only for a few hours every year. Why make the stance of going No contact ?

My sister had a horrible father in law.
She bit her tongue for a few hours every year in his company.
He's dead now.

It's your husband's mother.

MrsPeelyWaly · 08/05/2017 01:57

We're cross posting Vodka. And yes, I am aware of your very upsetting past.

I'm sorry if I've hurt you but I do think you are all in this together and you do get something out of what is going on.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 08/05/2017 01:57

You have no idea how horrible this is. I would give anything to have a normal relationship with MIL and spent years trying for one. I have normal relationships with my family,, and others in DH'S family. I'm trying to get away from drama, not create it. If you think I'm a troll or whatever, report the thread.

I would like you to stop posting- think about it. I'm alone, away from all my family and friends. I am homesick. I have a mental health condition. My DH is on that bloody cruise. Why are you kicking me when I'm down?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 08/05/2017 01:59

I'm not getting anything out of this except a load of heartache, so to be accused of the opposite is really bloody insulting. I post here to keep my shit together- I have a life to maintain where on the whole I have to keep calm and carry on.

Atenco · 08/05/2017 02:04

I couldn't disagree more with you, MrsPeelyWaly.

It is never going to be easy when you don't get on with the ILs when the spouse obviously loves his parents. And taking time out to relax is not an attack of the vapors.

MrsPeelyWaly · 08/05/2017 02:07

Honestly Vodka, I'm not kicking you. We share many similarities and life experiences. Things I've gone through on a personal level and as a mother.

And I will stop posting if that's what you want but you're not going to be able to shut everyone up who says things you don't want to hear - just the way your husband and MIL does.

Newyearnewbrain · 08/05/2017 02:09

Vodka I'm away from home too. I hear you! To all the posters who've chipped in with such negative comments, remember that her MIL wanted Vodka's DH tested for STIs have she disclosed she'd been raped as a teenager. To suggest Vodka gets "something" out of this situation is crazy.

If you need to take a break and process, you should.

MissDallas · 08/05/2017 03:19

You both sound like massively hard work, to be honest.

Your DH obviously loves his mum and wants to have a relationship with her. You are with him all year round so let him spend Christmas with his family and you with yours.

Just accept that you and MIL don't get on and stop trying to control everyone else to side with you.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 08/05/2017 03:34

Well, ta for dropping in with your thoughts Dallas but it being May now things have slightly moved on since Christmas. I have accepted that MIL and I dislike each other and the people we know are free to think whatever they like- I'm certainly not dictating to them what they should think of her.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 08/05/2017 03:35

And perhaps I sound like hard work to you, but you sound condescending and judgey to me Hmm

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 08/05/2017 03:36

And I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself, I understand that DH loves his mum and wants a relationship with her- they are on holiday together right now!

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 08/05/2017 06:09

Just sending you a hug darling... know it is not easy for you to try and keep everyone happy and preserve your own mental health. Book some counselling for yourself and get him to do the same on his return. Until you've both had a chance to talk separately, I don't think you can reach any way forwards.

JudeeLevinson · 08/05/2017 06:40

Same here, big hug for you. I'm sorry you are having such a dreadful time.

I have been through the same with my in-laws. It took a long time to get DH to see it and I nearly lost my marriage over it. So I know what you are feeling. I think this is a particular set of circumstances with this cruise, and your agreeing to meet them before your DH goes on it because he will be away with them. I can understand why you met them and the pressure you felt, and that you're not happy about it.
I think if he hadn't been going away with them you probably wouldn't have met them. When he gets back you will have a fresh opportunity to look at the situation and be able to be firmer with what you will and will not do regarding them. Counselling will help. Please stay strong Vodka. I've lurked on your thread since the beginning, and often wondering how you're doing, I think you probably cross the thoughts of a lot of posters in this thread. This is an awful situation to be caught in. You can't change them. It's not your fault they are like this.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 08/05/2017 07:12

How did he convince you to change your mind and go for the meal?

WestleyAndButtockUp · 08/05/2017 07:18

Don't let a few negative Posters get you down. It's the Internet; there will always be a few.

The vast majority of us are fully supportive of you, Vodka.

123MothergotafleA · 08/05/2017 08:26

Ones sympathy for people can wear thin, I can see what people on here are saying now Vodka.
You have the choice to either put up or shut up, it's no earthly use to anyone to be asking the opinions of strangers on t'internet, and when given good advice to ignore it .
Sounds like you have indeed made your choice.
The end.

JudeeLevinson · 08/05/2017 08:51

123 that is a shitty thing to say. She's caught between her husband and his parents and has some tricky negotiating to do between what is right for her and her marriage and she is working it out. She also has MH issues, PTSD and has been raped in the past. She doesn't have the full range of emotional tools to draw on like absolute resilience right now, she is without her husband and panicking. She is dealing with narcissists who are incredibly manipulative, and possibly having to face losing her husband over it because he just won't see it.

I'm sorry your sympathy has been eroded for this poor girl on the internet, but in this instance surely better to read and move on and not make the OP feel as shit as she already does. It is not her fault and you are not living her life. Horrible post. It took me 40 years to learn how to deal with my parents and 2 years to learn how to deal with my in laws. People lost patience with me. Fuck those people.