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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

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ohfourfoxache · 03/05/2017 09:44

Oh Christ Vodka Sad

I'm a bit on the fence tbh. I know mil is manipulative and it's possible that she won't say anything. But she's also thick and nasty, which makes me think she will.

Completely agree that he's panicking because he is reaching that "oh shit" moment where he has to tell her you won't see her. And yes, that does indicate that he is is own priority in all this.

How did the chat go when he got back?

Can you arrange to see friends tomorrow evening?

Spadequeen · 03/05/2017 09:54

Why does he think his happiness is more important than yours?

So what he feels sad, he should be fucking furious that you have been treated this way by his mother and you should be furious that he isn't.

It's time to stop protecting his feelings and get angry with him. Tell him enough of this shit, he keeps telling you that he's going to back you up and then he starts going on about how this affects him and sad he is. Well tough shit, he's speaking to the wrong person, it's is mother who created this not you

ItsNachoCheese · 03/05/2017 10:24

Just read the whole thread like Shock your mil is a nasty nasty piece of work for sure

plainjanine · 03/05/2017 11:53

DH has already said it would be sad if I don't see them

Sad for him, only. Maybe sad for his parents, depending on whether they get a kick out of turtoring you, or if they just do it because that's the way they are. But not sad for you at all.

Maybe if he keeps dropping this into conversation, you should ask him who is going to be sad about it, and why?

I've read the whole thread, and I think he will nod and smile along with them when they have him to themselves on the cruise, and then do the same with you when they have gone. As you've said, he will do anything to avoid conflict. With them especially, but with you, too. He thinks he can just keep on the way he is and eventually everything will be fine and you'll knuclkle under. Hence trying to chip away at you with "sad" comments. He still doesn't really get it.

His comment about not knowing you felt that strongly - he didn't think you'd be so hard to steer onto his way of thinking.

Sorry, Vodka, I realise this is not what you want to hear, but I don't think his thinking has changed at all, beyond realising you're not going to be knuckling under. This is where his sadness comes from.

Stay strong,

Flowers Cake

ohfourfoxache · 03/05/2017 18:57

How are you doing Vodka?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 03/05/2017 21:39

Hi everyone. Sorry haven't responded to points individually, still digesting it all.

We talked last night but reached no new conclusions, because there aren't any. He gave them some bs excuse last night about why I wasn't there, and a friend went with him instead. I expect I'll have a similar conversation tonight, unless he can pluck up the courage to tell them I'm not coming.

I know they came round today. Not too bothered really as I wasn't here and I don't have anything to hide. If they went snooping, I left Toxic In-laws out 😂

Feeling a bit exhausted. Spoke to my parents who are getting cross with DH, much as they love him. I get where everyone is coming from but I have retreated to bed for a while. He's not home from work yet.

RandomMess · 03/05/2017 21:42

Sad hope you're feeling ok Flowers

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 03/05/2017 23:51

Fairly predictable so far then Vodka Smile

Retreat to bed is smart.

Maybe shut down the conversations that are about his lies to avoid the wrath of the mummy.

The "conversation" is him desperately trying to manipulate you into saving him from reality. By engaging, it gives him hope that you will fold and he puts his energy into the wrong thing, i.e. pressuring you.

Refuse to engage and he will more rapidly switch his energy into managing the inevitable mother trouble (probably via a brief period of putting his energy into anger at you for "making" him choose).

KOKO

ohfourfoxache · 04/05/2017 08:41

Retreating to bed is a bloody good idea. Dealing with this rubbish is exhausting and you really really need to conserve your energy.

Remember, one minute at a time. Don't do anything you don't want to (and don't put yourself under any pressure to keep busy- sometimes we just need to stay under the duvet).

Well done, you're doing this. Every minute that passes is a minute closer to them fucking off back to the UK.

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 04/05/2017 13:50

Hang on in there...

ohfourfoxache · 05/05/2017 10:00

Vodka I can imagine that you're feeling pretty low around about now.

Just want you to know that I'm thinking about you and hand holding Thanks

Coconut70 · 05/05/2017 18:25

echoing above, thinking of you take care we are all here and understand xxxxxxx

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 07/05/2017 06:33

How are you doing Vodka Have they set off on the cruise now?

WestleyAndButtockUp · 07/05/2017 07:31

It would be sad if Vodka didn't see them?

What, sad empirically? Sad, for the universe?

Or sad for DH?

ohfourfoxache · 07/05/2017 09:35

Vodka I hope you're doing as ok as you can be love Thanks

MrsPeelyWaly · 07/05/2017 10:14

Im hoping that far from being upset about them all being away on the trip together that Vodka has had a wee bit of realisation and has actually said - thank god for that.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 07/05/2017 20:05

Hi all, sorry I've been away for a few days.

So, I gave in and saw them. I'm not proud that I caved. But it actually wasn't as bad as I anticipated. There were no public scenes or tears. It was awkward as fuck, but I let it be awkward because I didn't want to be there. Not one bit. I still intensely dislike that woman and what she's done.

So they are gone. And I'm exhausted from the sheer emotional stress of the last week so I've backed out on plans with friends and am going to spend the rest of the day at home doing some self-care (TV I like and DH hates, doing my nails, reading, a nap!)

I have channelled my emotions pretty positively considering the circumstances this week- after the 5k, I've decided to walk a half-marathon in July. I'm doing so much walking anyway that I've decided to just do it and focus on achieving something.

I'm never, ever going to be ok with MIL. And I'm pretty pissed off at my DH for keeping on and on about it. I love him but I'm angry too.

I know she'll fuck up again. But I've told him that when she does is when he will have to make a choice. If he doesn't choose me, that will be that. He had said we will book up with a therapist when he returns.

I will never see her without a fight- i still can't bear her, even on her best behaviour.

I hope you don't judge me too harshly Sad

MrsPeelyWaly · 07/05/2017 20:42

Vodka I think people will be disappointed for you, even though you made the decision to see them, because you deserve so much better.

This is only going to change when you allow it to change because you're as complicit in this as the rest of them.

RandomMess · 07/05/2017 20:48
Flowers

Hope you're feeling much better tomorrow when you've recovered.

franklyidontgiveadamscarlet · 07/05/2017 21:11

I don't blame you at all.
But if your going to get counseling book it now
Don't let him get away with it again.

Anything for a quiet life..

Use this time while you are angry about your H to do something about it..
Write it all down how you felt at the time..
So you can look at it all when he starts again..

ohfourfoxache · 07/05/2017 21:38

Oh darling no one is judging you

Is that why you've not been back earlier? Because you're ashamed?

There is absolutely no reason to be

I think you've done fucking well. And I'm not surprised you're exhausted- that is all so much for you to deal with.

If dh is saying that he's going to book a therapist, for the love of all that is holy hold him to it xx

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 07/05/2017 22:03

Does DH know how angry you are? Make sure he books the therapy.

DaemonPantalaemon · 07/05/2017 23:49

No one is judging you but it was obvious you were going to cave. Your mother in law knows how to use love and guilt to manipulate those around her. Your husband, whom you "love to distraction", learned the same lesson and knows how to use your love for him to manipulate you. Do you think he is feeling angry right now, or pretty happy that he got what he wanted, to go on the cruise, and to buy peace by coercing you to see his mother?

Next year, you will be guilted into going away with them. You will post here and get advice and you will put on a great front of bravado, and you will be resolute, but you will cave, like you caved at Christmas, like you did this week. Then the kids will come and you will spend time with your in-laws as a "family". You will still hate it, you will still resent it, oh goodness, the resentment will eat you up, but you will do it and each time your boundaries will get chipped away. Because you love him "to distraction", his desire to buy the peace with his mother will always, always be more important to him (and to you) than your peace of mind.

I feel desperately sorry for you, because the problem here is not your MIL but your husband. But you are not able to see that. Good luck.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 07/05/2017 23:55

I'm not as stupid as you think. Thanks for making me feel absolutely like shit though.

GinSwigmore · 08/05/2017 00:16

Oh Vod, I just read that post and clearly Dae is trying to warn you of things to come, especially if you have kids. Trust me, it will be even bloody worse then (many posters on here have been through it). BrewCake [hug]

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