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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
inlectorecumbit · 02/05/2017 09:16

handhold Flowers

ohfourfoxache · 02/05/2017 09:18

You're doing great- 9 miles is brilliant! And even better you're keeping busy.

Stay strong. You can do this xx

TheSnorkMaidenReturns · 02/05/2017 15:19

Good luck Vodka

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 02/05/2017 19:35

Unfortunately today I have fallen face first into a quarter pounder meal in McDonald's, which is my usual response when feeling a bit stressed! However, got a light dinner waiting for me in the fridge and going on a hike to get myself out of the house this afternoon. Exercise helps me stop worrying a little

DH has already said it would be sad if I don't see them... But that he understands why I don't want to. So, we'll see...

ohfourfoxache · 02/05/2017 19:52

Oh for the love of god - "sad if you don't see them"? What the hell is he on?

And........zen......!!

Falling into a Maccy D's- well, let's face it, there are worse crimes. And with a hike and 9 miles I think you bloody deserve it.

So what have you got planned for the coming hours?

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 02/05/2017 19:54

Stay strong. It's MILs choice as you've extended the olive branch plenty of times - you're not the one in the wrong!

I've also fallen face first into a long list of sugary things today. Walked a few miles with a friend but not as many as that!

I've got ex stress on the menu for tomorrow so have already promised myself cake and hot choc after Grin might have to go out for a jog tomorrow night or I'll be rolling soon!

Thinking of you x

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 02/05/2017 20:35

DH has already said it would be sad if I don't see them
If you get more of that you need stock phrases to deflect without exploding:
My personal favourite in the face of such manipulations is to say nothing, smile sympathetically, sip my cup of tea, don't be afraid of the silence, let them speak again first.

Other good bets are to say in a sad and sympathetic tone of voice:
"Oh poor you, it's such a shame your mother has put you in this position."
"yes, it is so sad she has behaved so badly it has come to this"
"It is such a shame all the options make someone sad"
"I wish it were different too but we both know she won't change."
"Yeah, me too, it is so sad it had to come to this."
"Yeah, it's crap isn't it? Well it's only X more days and then we will be back to normal."

If there is pressure like she really wants to see you, she promises to be good etc.
"Best not, love. We both know why. "
"It isn't worth the damage it will do to our relationship."
Or, yet again, silence and sympathetic smile, maybe a little kiss on the cheek as you walk off.

Have you got any special ones you favour.

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 02/05/2017 21:01

Great lines to use! Any of those true without being goady or aggressive.

ohfourfoxache · 02/05/2017 21:19

Rabbit I think I luffs you Grin

Timeforteaplease · 02/05/2017 21:19

Saying nothing is a great approach.
I remember using it with my MIL, it used to drive her nuts. Grin
But yes to having a response to your DH ready when he starts with the 'oh poor me' line.

Atenco · 02/05/2017 21:39

Your DH is totally away with the fairies, isn't he? Everyone and their donkey know how upsetting this situation is for you and he thinks it would be sad if you don't see them!! Does he even have a clue about how sad all this is making you?

franklyidontgiveadamscarlet · 02/05/2017 22:19

Vodkalime If you look at your title your Dh is sad and you do not know what to do.
And now " DH has already said it would be sad if I don't see them... But that he understands why I don't want to. "

I hate to say with all the support you have on here the one person who you really need support from is still in the fog.
We are in May now and nothing seems to have changed on the face of it.
You are hurting and he just seems to not care.

Its time for him to stop the excuses and going away on holidays and start with therapy if he wont do it then you now need to take your emotional health in hand and do something about your future.
And I say this to you.

He knows your hurting but seems to not care.
When they are not around you think your safe from the pain but its always there festering.
Every time the phone rings or email.
The fact that they even will come into your sanctuary and say negative things about you..
How far is your husband willing to commit to you for love.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 03/05/2017 02:00

I'm feeling right now that is prioritising his number 1, which apparently is himself. This 'cant go on forever' but if she does it again 'that will be it'. He just wants to 'live a normal life instead of in this purgatory'. Apparently he didn't realise I still felt so strongly... Hmm

So I'm home, eating my salad, while he eats with them. Fine. But the pressure is truly on for me to see them.

Don't tell me to ltb, I'm not going to do that. But I am hurting badly tonight Sad

DPotter · 03/05/2017 02:57

So sorry you're in such a difficult situation.

I fully respect your request asking us not to tell you to LTB, however can I ask why this is off the table for you? I'm not asking to goad you - I'm genuinely curious.

wishing you strength

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 03/05/2017 04:11

Many reasons. Mostly that I love him to distraction, even after all this.

Also, I have sacrificed so much- my job I loved at home, moving to another country away from my friends and family- I'm not willing to just give up on my marriage. It's been just over a year- I will give it my all. Just hope he will too.

Sitting up waiting for him to come home now so we can discuss what's next.

Atenco · 03/05/2017 04:23

So sorry, OP. Life would be so much easier, I suppose, if we could just walk away from the people we love without a backward glance. I don't really think that this qualifies as a LTB. Everyone has at least one serious flaw and though this is very upsetting for you, there are worse.

I fortunately have no experience of this, but I was wondering if you could reach a truce with him that you will not speak badly about his parents if he will stop trying to insist that you spend time with them.

I hope you find a better job soon.

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 03/05/2017 06:13

I really feel for you.

I got married and gave up my studies and friends and family to come abroad with the man I thought was Mr Right (not I'm not judging your relationship, just saying) and I felt like I couldn't call quits because I'd given up so much, made such a big commitment, didn't want to admit I'd cocked up etc. and then I had to admit it in the end anyway when we had a child in the mix and he'd financially ruined us.

I really would urge you to get on with the counselling on your own which was really the thing that helped me the most even though it cost and arm and a leg

By the time I called it quits he suddenly wanted to go to couples counselling etc but by then it was too little too late...

Take care of yourself and use some of the stock phrases run has suggested. Roll on Saturday for you eventhough I know the cruise may well be the harder part of all this for you.

MrsPeelyWaly · 03/05/2017 06:15

Mostly that I love him to distraction, even after all this

I think this is a big part of the problem and I wonder if you actually do, or perhaps that should be 'do you love in a healthy way'? And all the more-so when you can also get out of examining your feelings by saying I gave up so much etc to move here so I really must keep on trying. A previous poster mentioned a suit of armour and I think you already wear one but its to stop you examining your marriage and not for the reason she suggested.

I think Im saying that sometimes rather than face what we have to face we find it less painful to believe the opposite of what we actually feel.

As for DH being really sad that you might not meet up with his mum - to be honest he really does come across as a right wet blanket.

Id be really upset if any of my children were in this situation.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 03/05/2017 07:27

Did he agree before they came that he wouldn't put pressure on you? If so, he needs reminding.

Maybe if you look at the pressure a different way it will help you.

He has been trained ruthlessly from birth to sweep things under the carpet. This trip is too long for him to make excuses for your absence and avoid the truth. There will come a point on their trip where he will have to say that you don't want to see them, which probably has him shitting himself.

The pressure on you is actually the terror in his eyes before he goes down the big slide.

He is likely choking with fear at the confrontation to come. We all know it won't be truly bad, monster tantrum, that's all but he is terrified of a monster mummy sulk.

If you cave now and meet them then that is probably the end of your relationship. You will seethe with resentment. He will have learned that you can be manipulated. You will have reinforced It the message that PIL pandering trumps all other needs. It would be the beginning of the end.

Stay strong, calmly resist and he will know that people can say no to PIL and the sky doesn't actually fall in. Also that emotional blackmail of you does not work.

I expect you are terrified that his training is too powerful. That if you stand steadfast that he will choose them over you. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. You need to know. Your future happiness depends on it. There is only one way to find out. Stand firm.

There's a bloody good chance he will crack and make the right choice in this trip or soon after. I have seen it played out in my extended family fairly often. In my family, people mostly choose to side with their partner when forced to choose.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/05/2017 07:58

What RunRabbit wrote.

Your H has been well trained by his narcissist mother in particular to serve her at all costs. His own inertia when it comes to his parents also hurts him as well as you and that has not changed.

I also think the cruise is going to be bloody hard for you as well.

Read about the "sunken costs fallacy" as well in relationships and do not fall into that trap.

Greenicicle · 03/05/2017 08:24

I think Rabbit might be quite right. Don't give her what she wants. Its like training a toddler. Poor behaviour must have no reward, ever.

Coconut70 · 03/05/2017 09:01

Poor you, i know that pressure and coersion to see ghastly inlaws. Stand firm is it a week they are in town before the cruise. Be kind to yourself of course you are going to hoover crap, eat treats, read crap magazines, treat yourself at the shops or to a massage. Or take to bed and seethe and ruminate which is what i probably would have done.

No matter how hideous my mil behaviour even name calling and stuff affecting the kids my dh cant/wont defend or call her out. He is 46 his upbringing affects all aspects of his life he stepped down from a managerial post as hated conflict. He will raise things in a vague i think wishy washy way with his slightly more reasonable father but that is it. He will never defend me or have my back and i accept that and protect myself as you are doing.

As i told you ive been married 20 years and lots of strife due to inlaws but his inability to defend me had not led me to leave him as i know he is a kind and loving man in every other way.

I think you are doing the right thing protect yourself keep your boundaries and dont expect too much of him. It will be a crap week and the weeks following a misery and arguments. Try not to give them headspace, easy to say i know.

Take care, thinking of you xxxx

Makealist1 · 03/05/2017 09:09

I agree with all of the above - and do get some counselling, please. If they are good then they can help you to work through this - and even if not, the fact that you've actually been will show how seriously you feel about this. So Dh can't say he 'didn't realise'.
I had issues with my DH when a [ dare I say it but true] predatory female was sniffing around. Everyone but him [maybe] could see this. I shouted, I cried, I threatened - but it wasn't until I had [ just one] session of counselling that he said he didn't realise I was serious. We're ok now luckily - actually proved to be a wake up call.

I think it's because this is going outside of the [dysfunctional] system. Not to a friend, or family, who can be accused of being subjective - but to someone 'official', who will be told that-which-should- be -hidden. The PILS will hate it . Your DH possibly as well. It's interesting that he continues to avoid counselling. Too real ? He can't avoid forever - and neither can you ?
Alternatively go see your doctor ? And tell DH?

He loves you. You love him. You're not asking him to choose, just to leave you in peace.
I actually wonder whether a week stuck on a boat with them [ griping about you on and on, probably] might make him see which side his toast is really buttered on. Be happy to see him when he gets back. Show him where happiness lies. Easter Smile

MrsPeelyWaly · 03/05/2017 09:27

I wouldn't be surprised if Vodka isn't mentioned by the in laws on the cruise because MIL will also have a game plan going on. One along the lines of saying nothing so Vodkas Husband goes home and says - my mother could have run you down constantly on the cruise but she didn't - I just can't see what the problem is.

ShatnersWig · 03/05/2017 09:35

Vodka I know you don't want to hear it, but I can't not say it having followed this thread from the beginning.

He doesn't really have your back. He is not prioritising you. You have bent over backwards to try and have some semblance of a relationship with his mother. You have been the bigger person and encouraged him to still spend time with this, quite frankly, appallingly awful toxic person. It is all about him and his mother, not you and him. I actually don't know how you can desperately love someone who has shown several times that he will always try and wiggle his mum back into your life.

As a man, if my mother had done half the shit his mother had done to my wife/partner, she'd have been cut out. Gone. Especially knowing what you'd gone through in the past. He should be protecting you from her and he isn't. He just says what he says in the hope that the next time he broaches her, you'll give in. Again.

I'm really sorry, but he will never change. Truly. This is going to be the rest of your life if you choose to stay in this marriage. Imagine what would happen if you have children?

I think you have been more than reasonable and he really hasn't been. I couldn't stay in this marriage with his mother in the picture.

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