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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
TheConstantCakeEater · 02/04/2017 18:22

hugs

TheConstantCakeEater · 16/04/2017 21:02

How are things?

Coconut70 · 17/04/2017 08:23

I wished I had recognised her for what she was earlier in my marriage. things really changed after having kids DS was 3 and Dd 6 months when DS in hospital with sepsis, luckily recovered but she told DH at hospital to hurry up and get stuff from home as she had better things to do. then, they are a medical/nursing family she said did I realise DS could have died.

out of context it seems innocent enough but in context it was the most evil thing to say. I then obsessed about death and ended up very depressed.

I wish I had realised that my DH can't or won't defend me in the way I would like him to. a lifetime of conditioning means he avoids all conflict saying what's the point or what would it gain. I translated that as him not caring enough, loving me enough. Their behaviour was often outrageously bad and he wouldn't defend me. it has brought us to the brink of separation three times.

what helped was moving six hours away, not asking what they are saying about me and overanalysing wasting years of headspace trying to work them out.

making an effort not to bitch to him about them not to give them my attention or energy and that helped

it can be done but I have to say a small part of my love for DH was lost in the process of him I felt throwing me to the lions,

I feel very defensive of him and wish he would do the same for me.

so instead of waiting, hoping for him to do the right thing I took control myself and have gone nc.

final straw was after an event she hadn't spoken to DH for nine months when we got a phone call from fil with six complaints including not paying her enough attention, not bringing the kids to the bar etc. it was such blatant crap of a narc that I felt I couldn't do it anymore.

sorry rambling, I really feel for you as I think like me you hope by being a good, decent person you will be treated in the same way. mil is incapable of this no matter if I did what she wanted and controlled us or if I did what I wanted.

Have wasted too many hours, years of headspace and pain trying to fathom them it's impossible second guessing them.

good luck and much love it's a hideous position to be in kxxx

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 17/04/2017 23:02

God Coconut sounds like you've really been through it with them. My DH will also avoid conflict at almost any cost. I try not to ask him about them or run them down to him but it's hard.

Things are the same. They arrive in 2 weeks, which is when I expect things will kick off. They will expect me to see them, I won't want to and things will follow a predictable pattern of them putting pressure on my DH, and then him putting pressure on me.

I have periods of feeling very down and depressed and then feeling ok. I've been homesick for months now and knowing they are coming is making me even more unsettled. They sent a card for Easter saying they are looking forward to see us, so they are obviously trying to prepare the ground and cajole me into playing the game.

TheConstantCakeEater · 18/04/2017 12:29

Just sending you a hug. Have you got anyone to stay with or means to book a hotel if it all goes really wrong? Can't remember how long they're going to be around for.

Any update on counselling?

CantCopeWithMil · 18/04/2017 13:16

sorry have come late to this thread but this really resonated with me from first page

It's the looks and comments and general disapproval

This is what I want help dealing with! Its bloody awful, having this constant judge hanging over you making you feel bad.

ohfourfoxache · 18/04/2017 13:18

Oh Vodka Sad

Stay strong. If you don't want to see them then you don't have to. I know it's difficult and I know there is going to be a fallout, but I think a fallout is inevitable no matter what you do or don't do. You may as well do what you want if it's going to happen anyway

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 18/04/2017 13:51

Hi all. I can stay with friends if it all goes wrong. I really don't want to have to leave my apartment if they invade the space though. I need somewhere as my sanctuary, especially as my job isn't going great at the moment. I know I don't have to see them, though if I refuse they will probably come round anyway to try and talk to me.

I've placed counselling on the back burner. I've tried to get in touch with lots of places and have had no answer, or they are full with a long waiting list. It's also expensive- maybe I'm kidding myself but we came out here partly to save for a deposit. We've got a fair chunk already, but i guess I'm thinking the more we save now the sooner we can go home Sad though that will bring more problems.

I've got lots of friends here but I miss my family and old friends desperately. There are things about the US I just don't like, like the working culture that seems to dictate that you work until you drop with hardly any annual leave and talk about yourself as the most wonderful thing ever... Definitely worse than the UK, and I've had some shitty jobs!

ohfourfoxache · 18/04/2017 15:50

Jesus Vodka Sad

It really does sound like you're going through it at the moment.

How are things between you and dh?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 18/04/2017 18:12

Things between DH and I are pretty good. I feel sad that them coming here will probably put paid to that for a while, as they will put pressure on him and then he will feel torn and miserable.

That's the hardest thing about this. We love each other, we have so much history and we mostly work so well together. It's just this. If I didn't love him so desperately I would have walked away and been done with her shit.

TheConstantCakeEater · 18/04/2017 19:45

Sounds like hard times. Would you/he consider Toxic in laws to work through - at least that's only going to be a couple of $$ and may start to switch on some light bulb moments for him.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 18/04/2017 19:52

I've got Toxic In-laws Smile it's a great book. Once I'm done, I'm going to try and get him to work through it with me. He did promise to after Christmas, though I think he will probably do all he can to avoid it now. He keeps casually dropping them into conversation, but I'm just being very bland about it when he mentions them.

TheConstantCakeEater · 18/04/2017 20:38

Oh good, shove it under his nose!

ohfourfoxache · 18/04/2017 21:07

Yep, know that feeling- when you love them so much but it's such a massive stumbling block and they just refuse to see the truth Sad

And as you say, it's harder as there is so much shared history and you've already been through so much and you are loathe to quit.

Understand completely Vodka Sad

Coconut70 · 19/04/2017 08:21

Hi vodka, i feel for you, be prepared for being pressured and manovered whilst they are over. Most recently aged 45 i was driven to hide in m&s at the train station to avoid them pushily demanding to see me. No doubt they will demand to see your flat, id be very busy then out seeing friends and films so no time at all for a coffee or torturous meal.

Ive like you been with dh since 19, i have to say his parents caused a poisonous vein throughout our marriage, it is very difficult to accept that he wont be outraged, get angry and tell her her behaviour is not on.

It is real headfuck stuff she behaves badly, we complain she is the outraged victim, we are the bad ones and selfish as its not all about us.
Its impossible to negotiate or fathom. You sound clued up earlier on than me so perhaps more able to assert or protect yourself, not sure.

Will be thinking of you as they visit. I sometimes do in my head a tick sheet of bonkerness such as mil only able to travel south due to her many many faked illnesses and swallowing difficulties but ramming an empire biscuit in her mouth. It reminds me that i am the sane one and their behaviour is wrong.

Love kxxx

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 25/04/2017 12:51

Cake with a name change again. How are things? May is round the corner now, so I guess you're dreading it all!

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 25/04/2017 13:52

Hi all. I'm absolutely dreading next week. DH away with work most of this week, then they arrive and then go on the bloody cruise and we have other visitors arriving for 2 weeks after. It feels like I'll never get any alone time again!

Work not going that well either- thread in chat about that. Long story short is organisation doesn't suit me and colleague makes comments about food/weight all the time. Ugh...

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 25/04/2017 14:13

Oh no, you're having a tough time. Who is coming over after the cruise? Sounds like you could do with someone from "your" side...

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 25/04/2017 17:13

I really could do with someone from my side! Friends, but more DH's than mine, although they are lovely.

No-one from my side is coming 😞 my aunt and uncle came last year. Friends all have their own stuff going on and my parents won't come. DMum is disabled and is now only comfortable traveling to places she knows well, which I understand. Does make me a bit sad though. I'm meeting them in Europe for a holiday in August. Lots of DH's relatives have already visited.

Feel so bad coming on here to moan all the time- I promise I'm fun in real life Grin

ohfourfoxache · 25/04/2017 19:19

If they're friends of dh's, does that mean that they understand what his mother is like? Might mean you get a bit of support if they do.

Don't worry about having a moan, we all need to and you're a bit isolated at the moment Thanks

Spadequeen · 25/04/2017 19:56

Omfg! The woman is insane. And so is your dh. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree does it. Trying to get you to do what he wants by crying.

You already know this but you are so not being unreasonable. Your mil is an absolute bitch and her family are no better.

Every time dh drops his parents into conversation I would say that you are. It willing to discuss this whilst his head is in the sand. When he is prepared to face reality, you will talk to him.

His said he'll go to therapy and read the books, has he done either yet? He said that he will back you up and defend you, how exactly is he doing this when he is making t all about him and how upset he is and his mother is.

In fact I'm getting even angrier on your behalf the more I think about it. He is a twat

RandomMess · 25/04/2017 20:23

Flowers I read your first several posts, I can't believe your DH is still so deeply entrenched in the fog Sad

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 25/04/2017 21:01

Do moan here because you'll get good support. Have to say I agree with Spade

TheSnorkMaidenReturns · 25/04/2017 21:18

It all sounds so horrible Vodka. Keep strong Flowers.

Coconut70 · 26/04/2017 12:03

@vodka do they arrive this weekend? How long are they in your area before they go on the cruise? Make lots of plans so they dont trap you in the house by descending on it. Be very busy with cinema, library, friends, anything otherwise they will manipulate a situation where you are forced to host them or have a meal with them. Come on here and rant thats what its for, it has been my sanity when you are trapped, drowning in their crap and painted as the bad one. Thinking of you and do protect and look after yourself kxxxx

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