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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

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VodkaLimeSoda27 · 20/03/2017 17:16

Thanks fourfox and distance. I know I don't 'have' to see them but tbh if I don't they will probably turn up at our apartment and there will be more grief that way.

I've always been very careful to emphasise the fact that DH's relationship with them is his affair and that I won't stand in the way of him seeing them- most of all, I don't want to be a controlling unhappy person like my MIL.

He will need to decide who to prioritise here- if he does choose them then I will have some difficult choices to make. But I need to keep faith that he will prioritise me for my own sanity at the moment.

FrancisCrawford · 20/03/2017 17:21

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Kr1stina · 20/03/2017 19:25

I hope your husband has a UK contract rather than a US one or he will have hardly any annual leave left

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 20/03/2017 19:30

Pretty much all of his remaining leave will be spent visiting home. This is fine with me, I want to take trips home. We're planning some short weekend trips here together; it's our first wedding anniversary this weekend so we will go away then.

I'm planning on booking a holiday to see my parents in Europe, they take a month's holiday in August so I'll fly over for 10 days or so and see them.

I'm sure he will be subjected to that, but he made the choice to go on this doomed cruise so he'll have to find a way of dealing with it. However, if he comes back with her version of events fixed in his head there will be a big fucking problem because I'm sick of her thinking she can rewrite history and get away with it.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 20/03/2017 19:32

He has a US contact but a relatively generous leave entitlement for the US. He works a lot of overtime and has done people favours so it's closer to what we get in the UK.

JK1773 · 20/03/2017 19:59

You poor thing. I had in laws exactly like this. It got so bad I used to feel physically sick when I had to see them. Mine were 10 minute walk away so at least you have some distance. Mine used to just turn up letting themselves into our home and kicking off. All the time! You must be so apprehensive about them coming over. You know you don't want to see them but fear the consequences of not seeing them at all. That would cause huge problems I'm guessing. Personally I'd be so relieved to have gotten out of the cruise holiday that I'd agree to anything re DH going. I do think it will be tough though as they will be poisoning his mind all the time. To me he doesn't sound strong enough to stand up to them and put boundaries in place when he's alone with them but I hope for your sake I'm wrong. I have huge sympathy for your situation Flowers

Kr1stina · 20/03/2017 21:00

I know you want to be this " reasonable person " who doesn't mind him treating you like this. But it's never going to work in the long term.

One of you is going to have to choose. Either he chooses his marriage over his parents. Or you choose your sanity over him.

If you stay with him, you will have to choose not to have kids unless he's willing to change.

TheConstantCakeEater · 26/03/2017 21:10

Just checking in. Hope you had a good weekend/anniversary.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 27/03/2017 02:18

Thank you Constant, it was a lovely weekend. I love my DH so much. I'm just dreading the consequences of his parents coming over in 6 weeks and creating chaos here, because they inevitably will whether I try and stay away from them or not 😞

DistanceCall · 27/03/2017 08:30

Has your husband considering getting some counselling on his own?

Aussiebean · 27/03/2017 09:07

Get some counselling before they come so you two know where each stands and will help give him some strategies to keep his boundaries

ohfourfoxache · 27/03/2017 11:23

Another vote for counselling- preferably together if he won't do it alone

Hope you're as OK as you can be

TheConstantCakeEater · 27/03/2017 11:35

Yup, you really need some outside support!

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 28/03/2017 21:26

I know we do. He is away for work for a few days but I know we need to talk about it again. The closer it gets to their visit the larger the black cloud over my head feels Sad DH didn't say anything but I'm sure he was hurt they didn't send a card for our wedding anniversary. No surprises there, they didn't want us to get married haha!

TheConstantCakeEater · 29/03/2017 11:48

Sending you a big hug. How is the new job going? Have you guys had sun? We've had a few lovely days here so life feels a bit brighter now.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 30/03/2017 12:10

Thanks Constant. The new job is ok. My heart isn't really in it but I'm turning up and going through the motions! The weather here is so changeable- yesterday was lovely but it's back to being cold again today.

I am still so homesick that I'm finding it hard to just get on with things and be grateful for the life I have here. There is no way we can permanently return home for another 9 months but for career reasons it will probably be longer than that 😞 and when we do go home we'll have all of MIL's shit to deal with anyway.

A friend told me last night that DH said he didn't blame me for not wanting to go on the cruise and that his parents are going about this all wrong. Same friend also putting pressure on me to socialise with PIL's while they are here... Everything is about how upsetting this is for DH that we don't get along. I sent him away with a bit of a flea in his ear!

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 30/03/2017 20:22

Ugh sorry, that was a thoroughly miserable last post. I'm blaming the PMT!

TheConstantCakeEater · 30/03/2017 20:37

Oh no, who is standing up for you? apart from us

It took me about 4 years to settle into a new country (sorry)

Sending you some strength and Cake for the PMT

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 30/03/2017 20:52

My friends at home get it, they really do, and my family. Unfortunately, here I know most people through DH. He moved out here before I did.

The girls always sympathise and understand when it comes up in conversation but it's always the guys who stand up for my MIL... I think people just feel sorry for DH.

Last night my friend was saying how I need to find a way to get past it to be on better terms with her, but I honestly don't feel I can (or even need to) do that. He wasn't impressed when I said I wouldn't be socialising with them when they visit. Why would I want to go out for dinner and drinks with people who have done me so much harm?!?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 30/03/2017 20:53

And thanks for the Cake Constant feel like it needs to washed down with a large Wine 😂

TheConstantCakeEater · 30/03/2017 20:59

Perfect! I've just had cake as my reward for surviving the school disco!

Well done for standing up for yourself. I guess I just sense that you're a bit vulnerable out there on your own.

Hope tomorrow is better x

ohfourfoxache · 30/03/2017 22:56

Unfortunately I think, until someone has experienced problems, they are unlikely to understand what it's really like. I suppose it's like anything else in life- things are always sharper when you've experienced it first hand. And let's face it: if there is an IL problem, it is usually (but not always) the male's parents involved in the upset.

Probably why your female friends understand more than the males do.

Ampersand22 · 31/03/2017 06:50

Just saying hello Vodka, and wishing you strength x

Coconut70 · 31/03/2017 19:21

Hi there, ive followed your thread since pre Christmas. I am so sorry you are in this shitty situation. I too suffered csa, met my DH at uni. However i am 20 years down the line, for the first ten years of marriage i jumped when they inlaws said and didnt notice much wrong, perhaps being young i dont know.

Second decade two kids and on three occasions we have nearly divorced as a direct result of inlaws deranged behaviour and dh reluctance or inability to defend me. We have had terrible times, moving six hours away from them helped. I am nc now 18 m with them, i had to for my own mental health, ive had bouts of depression. I am nc my dh is not, he can do as he likes but i dont want to hear about it.

It pains me that i am painted as the difficult one the wicked snake which causes a spiral of bad thoughts. I am resigned to the fact that he will never defend me in the way i want him to or the way i would defend him. I have lost some love/respect due to this but he is so averse to any conflict due to his volatile mother.

Rambling on but if you love him, love him but protect yourself dont ask for gory details as i did for years. You cant fathom their crap it existed before you were on the scene. Put barriers in place to protect yourself and dont be coerced into situations where they are in control.

The last 18 m has been peaceful since nc, dh give bland stonewall info to them. They are sad and nasty and i make a huge effort not to discuss them or ruminate.

So in essence it can be done but its difficult and you might have to realise he cant or wont defend you.

Lots of love you sound a strong, clever woman xx

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 01/04/2017 14:27

Thanks everyone. Fourfox, you're right- if you haven't experienced something at first hand it is more difficult to empathise. I'm possibly expecting too much of people when I talk about it. The bald facts are what they are but for obvious reasons people believe I should be trying to keep the peace.

Constant, you're probably right. As much as I hate to admit it, I am a bit vulnerable here. I'm missing my 2 best friends at home too. We talk every day but it isn't the same. One of them is pregnant and I feel like I'm missing out on being around for her 😞

Thank you Ampersand and Coconut (and everyone) for your kind words! They are so much appreciated. Having this thread has been a lifeline at a time where I have felt so lonely. Coconut when you look back at the situation is there anything you would have done differently?