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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

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rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 08/03/2017 23:18

I'm hoping very much this isn't going to go the same way for you as the Christmas issues did, with your boundaries being inched over until you end up doing it, hating it, being miserable, but getting apologised to afterwards. Sad

Smallangryplanet · 09/03/2017 00:06

You have made your position clear, your oh us moving the goal posts.you are in a destructive cycle with your oh. He agrees with you about no contract and then gradually gets back to wanting a Disney version of life that doesn't exist.

No fecking way would I go on holiday with them.

I'd seriously consider staying home after your next visit.

TheConstantCakeEater · 17/03/2017 21:19

How are things Vodka?

(TheOnlyWayIsMN here)

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 17/03/2017 21:46

Hi TheOnlyWay. It hasn't been mentioned since I told him I won't be going on the cruise. It's all quiet for now, though I'm not sure how long that will last!

As far as I am aware, they are still flying over in May. I plan to make myself as busy as possible while they are here and fly to Europe to visit my parents in the summer while they are on holiday. I've finally found a job here which is good as I have less time to think about this

FrancisCrawford · 17/03/2017 21:53

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TheConstantCakeEater · 18/03/2017 06:50

Glad to hear you've found a job. Now you'll start to build a life for yourself and it will be easier to meet people/socialise.

I'd still push towards getting counselling arranged - even if just for yourself
x

Atenco · 18/03/2017 12:41

Congratulations on the new job

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 18/03/2017 19:11

Are they staying with you in May? Have you agreed with DH that you yourself can choose to throw them out if they give you any shit? Has he thought about where they will stay if you ask them to leave? Have you thought about where you will go if he lets them stay after being horrible to you and so you choose to go to a hotel / Airbnb instead?

MimsyFluff · 18/03/2017 21:36

We are no contact with all of DH family other than BIL, I remember this stage so well Angry it came to head after our wedding, they were vile at the wedding shouting at me whilst walking down the isle and after the wedding DH left me so he could calm them down! The abuse was very toxic after DD was born.

I told him the day after I'd had enough I was never seeing them again, they wouldn't be seeing DD's and if he brought them up in conversation again it was over. He spoke to his friend about it without any sugar coatings, he told DH he would never let his family treat his girlfriend how they've treated me and was shocked DH would allow them.

I have to say if we didn't have DC I would of walked, they made me ill and I'd question my MH at times thinking i must of done something but it would of happened to whoever DH was with.

He has been NC for 5 years and we've never been happier but like I said I wouldn't go through it again.

MimsyFluff · 18/03/2017 21:54

I'm dyslexic DD was 3 when we got married.

It's hard when the DC ask "is daddies mum still alive?" "How many brothers and sisters does daddy have?" "Why don't we see them?" you can't tell a child that they can't see their aunt because she threatened to kill her when she was a few weeks old and that grandma thought that was fine? That grandma is toxic and isn't safe to be around.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 19/03/2017 14:06

Mimsy, that sounds terrible Sad

Thanks for all the congratulations on the job. I've contacted a few therapists this week but haven't heard anything back so will chase people up tomorrow. I need to see one aside from this situation, big changes tend to make my PTSD flare up. I started another job a month ago but quit after a few days because I didn't feel safe and comfortable there Sad

RunRabbit we only have a one bed so it's not practical for them to stay with us. DH knows that would be a step too far for me. If he was to prioritize their needs over mine here I would fly home.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 20/03/2017 03:52

Update.

They are going on the cruise and DH is going with them- this is ok with me. I have said all along that I won't stand in the way of him from having a relationship with them, if that is what he wants.

He told them that I won't be going. They are staying in the city a few days before the cruise in a hotel, not at our apartment. I will be making myself as busy as possible while they are here!

Ampersand22 · 20/03/2017 06:53

What a horrible situation. I've been through this myself, still going through it so I wanted to say hi. I am NC with my inlaws after 18 months of hell, I am also NC with my parents for the last 3 years so I recognised the dynamic when I met my now husband. They made our engagement and wedding so awful that 10 months after the wedding I still can't look at the pictures.

I had a DH and problem and who knows, I might still have. We went NC last summer after the abuse reached stupid levels. I wrote down in an email everything they'd done to me and made my DH read it before I sent it to them, telling them why I was going NC. I had let him know, along the way, all of the incidents that had occurred between me and my MIL, including being physically shoved in my own house and shouted at a week before the wedding about the planning of it (even though of course they had not offered to help).

My DH had huge denial over all of it, along the way, tried to enable their behaviour by coercing me into situations I didn't want to get involved in and which I found horribly triggering and traumatic as they were carbon copies of my own parents. I could have taken it but what distressed me the most was seeing him reduced to managing all of us and trying to make it right when it was so abusive, I was so upset with him, especially as one of the reasons I went NC with my parents is that they were starting to be horrible to my then fiancé, and it set off a bomb in me, I saw them for what they were.

Anyhoo, we haven't seen them for months. Since July I think. He hasn't actually had a conversation with them ever about their treatment of me. He has sort of ridden on the back of my email to them, and it was convenient for all of them to blame me the outsider for all the dysfunction. I don't know how I feel about this, but one thing I do know is this, if he ever tries to broker a situation where he wants me to speak to them or see them I will leave him. And I will also consider it beyond disloyal if he ever sees them again too. They put me through so much shit when I most craved a loving family and I would not forgive him if he chose them over me. I am his wife and I have fought for him. I had a breakdown the year before last and was off work for 2 months. This is serious business.

You have been abused before too, outside of this situation, therefore you must put yourself first always. I worry for you because of this previous abuse. If you had come from a situation where you were robust then you might spring back without much effect from your MIL, things would bounce off, you could ignore. But you are not that person.

I don't mean to second guess you here about your ok-ness on him going on the cruise but I must ask, are you ok with this? I wouldn't be you see, I think he's going into the lions den and who the fuck knows what they will say to him about you.

I'm being devil's advocate here a bit but I have been through this and who knows if I'm in the clear yet. My DH might yet think it was all ok again after the dust has settled, and if they contact him now who knows what he will do. I still don't know, the jury is out. I only know what I will do if he chooses them over me.

Ampersand22 · 20/03/2017 07:25

I wish I were one of those people who could say I wouldn't have a problem with my DH seeing his parents again. I apologise if my post seems selfish (what they did to me, what he did to me in response, how if he chooses them over me I will flip). I sound rigid and a bit selfish but it's because I am angry and still insecure about my DH. I am actually grief stricken on his behalf because I know as a DIL I could have been anybody, they would have had a problem with me because it meant my DH was happy. I could have been anybody, it is not about me, it is about their huge and overwhelming deep-seated anger with HIM because they want to control him. I am incidental. I don't truly know if he sees that. Anyway, good luck and keep us updated.

Ampersand22 · 20/03/2017 08:11

Sorry for multiple posts but I forgot to mention this incredible blog about mother in laws. narcissisticmil.wordpress.com/
The lady who writes it is from a functioning family herself and so some of her decisions about her in-laws would not be my decisions (she allows her MIL to have supervised contact with her kids, for example). She's very level headed and informed, and robust and is helping her husband through all his denial. She writes about her sometimes frustration with her husband in ways more helpful than my own could be for you I think (I am very heavily defended and inflexible at times with allowing my husband to feel his feels on his own and deal with it his own way). However because I have been through it with my own family I see it so clearly it blinds me, I see how he is being trapped and manipulated by them. I love my husband very much and he tells me he feels calmer and more himself when not around them, and doesn't miss them or want to see them. Maybe I am too vigilant and should relax. The blog helps with a more balanced view.

SeaEagleFeather · 20/03/2017 10:54

I wouldn't be you see, I think he's going into the lions den and who the fuck knows what they will say to him about you

ampersand has a strong point.

ohfourfoxache · 20/03/2017 11:07

I can understand why you're happy about him going alone- after all, you won't have to see them.

But be aware of the whole "dripping poison" thing. Mil will have him cornered for a prolonged period of time. This also sets a precedent- what happens if/when you have DC? Is he just going to fuck off with his parents as soon as they summon him?

Please just be careful Vodka. Everything might be fine, but based on what has happened already, be on your guard.

Ampersand22 · 20/03/2017 11:33

Yeah, dripping poison alright, on a boat he can't get off. If he were meeting them in a cafe for a cuppa, then yes he's an adult, yes it is up to him to deal with his parents, and he can leave if it gets too much. This boat thing, hell no.

The way I saw it, still see it, I took vows to protect my husband and I intend to do it, even protecting him from his own parents, so long as my boundaries are respected and I have been very clear what they are to him. If he cannot protect himself by choosing to see such mental people who have abused him horribly, then I can have no expectation that he will protect our marriage from anyone. I would doubt his boundaries after what we've been through, they have tried to destroy all of his relationships, including one where there was a child involved (not his, his partners little girl), splitting up their happy home by spreading gossip about her which he believed. He doesn't believe it any more, too late.

Be vigilant, yes.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 20/03/2017 12:08

I am vigilant. To say I'm happy about him going isn't true but I am accepting of it. What else can I do? I'm fully aware they will be dripping poison about me. We will be having conversations about how he plans to confront that with them when they start, because he'd better be defending me when they do.

Inevitably I'll see them at least once while they are here, however 'busy' I make myself. My only strategies at the moment are to go grey rock (which as far as I can tell is make yourself uninteresting and say as little as possible) and to not accept anything from them- I don't want to be beholden to them in any way.

Ampersand22 · 20/03/2017 12:18

What else can I do?

Tell him why you think it's not wise, tell him you think they will be dripping poison about you, tell him you're not happy about it. There is a lot you can do.

Ampersand22 · 20/03/2017 12:23

You will not be there to see him defending you or otherwise. You will have no control over what happens. Stuck on a boat with them running him down and you, he would be superhuman to deflect all of that, he is a victim of abuse, his chances are slim and I would not expect to be defended, he will do what he always does and ask how high when they say jump.

I was in the same room when my husband failed to defend me from them. I don"t mean to be harsh but they are stronger than him and you won't be there.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 20/03/2017 12:37

It's too late, cruise already booked. I know I have no control over what they say but tbh I need him to step up. I'm losing patience with it all, which he is well aware of.

ohfourfoxache · 20/03/2017 12:41

Oh Vodka Sad

I wish I could reach through the screen and give you a hug.

If you're not happy then you need to tell him. There won't be any defending going on, either of you or himself.

You don't have to see them when they're over. You can put your foot down. I promise you can Thanks

DistanceCall · 20/03/2017 12:42

Vodka, I think you have done the right thing. You can't control him, and you should not interfere in his relationship with his parents.

If his parents drip poison in his ear and he believes it,, then I think you know what you should do. It can also lead him to a breaking point with them.

In any case, his relationship with his parents is his own concern. The point is how he treats you.

ohfourfoxache · 20/03/2017 12:43

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Can completely understand losing patience- makes complete sense. So either he steps up or fucks off?

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