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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
VodkaLimeSoda27 · 06/03/2017 20:35

Hi TheOnly good to see you again. He has agreed to counselling in the past, so hopefully. Life has got in the way since we got back but I do think that needs to be a priority.

FrancisCrawford · 06/03/2017 20:36

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SeaEagleFeather · 06/03/2017 21:12

You need to think what you want out of life.

Then what your husband wants out of life. WHich involves his parents. Understandable, but the result is misery for you.

Can you live with that?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 06/03/2017 22:15

Hi all. Still here, still reading. Just a bit painful Sad

GoodDayToYou · 06/03/2017 23:19

Hi Vodka! Did I read that you're in your 20s and would love a family? If so, your mil is, what, in her 50s? So, you could have another 30-40 YEARS of this!!??
I know it's tough. It doesn't get much tougher. But it really sounds like you would have a better shot at a happy life if you were to move on from your dh. I'm sorry to write this but I've never known someone like her to change and I think you deserve much more. At the moment, you've got time on your side. Please don't waste any more of your precious life on this nightmare.

TheOnlyWayIsMN · 07/03/2017 08:11

Hope you're getting some sleep. Have sent you a PM

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 07/03/2017 08:26

I'm sorry Vodka.

He's shown you how it will always be. They will make a gambit, he'll niggle gently at your boundaries until you give in against your will and better judgement and turn up and submit to the abuse, then he'll be sorry for a while afterwards.

Don't whatever you do bring children into this relationship. It will escalate and intensify all this hugely and you will be permanently trapped in it.

ohfourfoxache · 07/03/2017 09:02

Completely agree with others- what he says and what he does are not consistent.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/03/2017 09:09

Vodka

So they have offered you a cruise. They are not really deviating from the toxic parents script and your H is still playing out his role.

Nothing has really changed here with regards to your H and his parents; he is still very much in his FOG and towing their own party line. They say jump and he says how high. He remains far more afraid of them than he is or ever would be of you.

hellsbellsmelons · 07/03/2017 09:11

DH defended me (at least) and said after I never want to put you through anything like that again
But now he wants to agree to go on a cruise with them?
Wow, he has no understanding at all of any of this really.
A couple of hours in a pub, he wouldn't you put your through again but days and weeks forced together is OK???
Wow - just WOW!

wornoutboots · 07/03/2017 15:07

frankly it was hard enough staying in a separate apartment in a UK holiday camp with my (waaay less toxic) inlaws, you'd have to have taken temporary leave of your sense and brain to agree to go on a cruise with them ffs!

mummyto2monkeys · 07/03/2017 19:29

Hi op I have a very similar set of in-laws, I have been through hell and back again and it very nearly destroyed my marriage several times. Fifteen years into our relationship, twelve years of marriage and two beautiful children later we have zero contact with them. I made the choice to protect my children and myself five years ago, I never tried to make my husband choose but he made the decision following three lots of therapy which he had to seek thanks to the suicidal state they drove him to.

We have honestly never been happier, my husband talks of them and still loves them but he has said for his own mental health he cannot open Pandoras box again. It has taken five years to rebuild my husbands confidence. Looking into narcissism and toxic parents has really been an eye opener. He is still coming to terms with the emotional abuse of his childhood, adolescence and early adulthood.

I would lay your cards out in front of your husband. Remind him of just how much she has hurt you. Tell him you have to protect yourself. Ask him not to speak of his parents to you at all, as part of that protection. Also ask that he respect your wish that he does not talk of you at all to his parents. If he starts to bring them up, cut him off and remind him that you are protecting your healthy boundaries and if he respects and loves you he should understand.

I had to implement this five years ago when dh still had occasional contact with his parents. (Now we are completely estranged from dh's parents and my husband is recovering from years of abuse my husband and I will talk things through. Mostly because my husband wants to discuss a situation he has remembered with me. ) My therapist recommended the boundaries and I have to say that it really did help us to have healthy boundaries that we didn't cross. It also stopped my husband from having to go through the same script during every communication.

If you do this then the cruise is simply not up for discussion. It should never even need to be mentioned again.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 08/03/2017 16:41

Feeling very tired today. Don't think either of us got much sleep. We talked about it last night and just went round in circles, again. While I don't think he's behaving that well he is obviously struggling with the whole situation. I've asked him to consider therapy again, as he says he can't stop thinking about this and his only escape is work. It is horrible to see him cry. He doesn't seem to think therapy will be beneficial as his problems are caused by external factors... Like most people's! I tried to explain this again but I don't think it sunk in.

They called yesterday, obviously to ask what my answer was but he dodged the call as he didn't know what to say. I told him I don't feel forgiveness in my heart, therefore I cannot accept this from them.

It's like one step forward and two steps back. I'm tired of it all. I just wanted to marry the person I loved and who I have been with since I was 18. I have thought about what would happen if I just forgive them and get on with my life but I don't think I ever can.

Atenco · 08/03/2017 16:58

his problems are caused by external factors... Like most people's!

Yes, and the only thing he can change is what he does and how he feels about those external factors.

I think you should read mummyto2monkeys's post again as it offers a possible roadmap for how you can start to desentangle this situation.

Kr1stina · 08/03/2017 17:05

This is going to be the cycle for the rest of your life, your DH 'listening' to you and agreeing, then a United front and then ever so slowly inch the blame back on you, do you really want that and to bring DC's into that?

This.

He cries to manipulate you into doing what he wants. He knows your find it 'horrible'.

He doesn't want to go for therapy because the therapist will point out that he has a choice in this and he wants to pretend that he doesn't.

Often you are tempted to think that he doesn't have a choice, because he's " struggling ". And yes he is struggling to control you but overall he's doing pretty well I think .

When will it be the line in the sand for you ?

Downtheroadfirstonleft · 08/03/2017 17:13

Say no, politely, calmly and FIRMLY to the holiday. If you are going to reach a solution with DH, you need time and for it to take as long as it takes. You can't do that with a decision deadline looming. Flowers

fc301 · 08/03/2017 17:17

Christ on a bike what a monumentally bad idea. The lack of self awareness is quite staggering.
You could say yes and REPENT AT LEISURE.
Would you like to spend a week trapped on a hot boat with a bully that hates you? Er no thanks.

fc301 · 08/03/2017 17:19

And they show they have changed by TREATING YOU WITH CARE. Not by trying to manipulate you into doing what they want.
Sorry you're going through more turmoil.

FrancisCrawford · 08/03/2017 17:27

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Aussiebean · 08/03/2017 17:29

When my friend had in law problems and it got to breaking point she rang her dh up and asked

'Do you want to be still married to me?'

'Yes'

'Then we are going to counselling '.

It was great for him to hear from someone else that his mothers behaviour was not normal and indeed distructive. Now they are in a much bettter place

FrancisCrawford · 08/03/2017 17:34

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Reow · 08/03/2017 19:16

OP I've been reading from the start and never commented as I have no experience of this or anything useful to add, but I just wanted to say that you have acted with such dignity and class throughout this whole ordeal, and you should be proud of yourself.

lemonzest123 · 08/03/2017 19:20

I remember you posted before OP and I felt so sorry for you then but even more now I've read

"She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip."

What a collasal bitch. Flowers

anonNorth85 · 08/03/2017 19:31

Even if you got on 2 weeks on a cruise is too much! You'll be in her debt forever. Anyway isn't there Zika virus there? Not much good for baby making...

MooPointCowsOpinion · 08/03/2017 19:47

Good Lord how can he think you would go on holiday with them! That's a clear and obvious no. The Bahamas is hell with toxic inlaws!

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