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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
AmeliaLeopard · 06/12/2016 19:07

That's really good to hear vodka. Your family's disappointment is pretty normal, they probably really miss you. Doesn't really help though, especially when you probably already feel like you are trying to balance everyone's feelings!

DrowningInPoop · 08/12/2016 21:39

How are things Vodka? When do you fly back?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 08/12/2016 22:31

Things are ok thanks, Drowning. Busy few days so haven't discussed any further with DH. We fly back next Friday so I expect more discussions in the next few days...

mummyto2monkeys · 08/12/2016 22:39

In your situation, I would let your family meet you at the airport, I see their point to be honest, they have done nothing wrong! Your dh should realise that as well!

Do your in-laws know what flight you are travelling on? My outlaws would have turned up anyway no matter what was arranged! My thinking is that at least with your family there, you can ignore MIL and just be happy to see your family!

Has your dh demanded that your family don't come to the airport because his family are not allowed? I really feel for you vodka as that can so easily descend into tit for tat. Especially the likes of, 'if we don't buy my Mum a gift then we are not buying your Mum a gift'. I think its far too easy to forget that this is not a situation that you chose! Your family don't deserve to be punished because of the behaviour of your dh' s mother.

Unfortunately that is often the situation that you find yourself in! With your dh punishing you and your family because he is angry that he is being forced to deal with his mother's narcissism....I can almost guarantee that your dh will try to warp the situation to being your fault. Especially as he is going alone to his parents, just be prepared for the gas lighting, fore warned is fore armed.

I completely admire your willingness to compromise, I just hope that your dh is on your side. Double check that your outlaws don't have your flight no

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 08/12/2016 22:54

DH has said he completely understands why they are upset and definitely feels they have just as much right to be there, as he acknowledges they haven't done anything wrong. He actually gets on really well with my DParents, always has done. He gets why they will stay away if his DParents come, as they are rightly very angry with my MIL still and I don't think they would be able to stop themselves from confronting her if they saw her. PILs don't have our flight number, but know a vague time.

There is a glimmer of a wake up call. I asked him what he would do if she turned up and he said that if that happened, we would walk away together and he wouldn't be seeing her. We talked about the compromises made over the wedding and the things I tried to involve her in too, and he seems to have a clearer picture of how things actually happened now.

another20 · 08/12/2016 22:57

I agree that your DP should not have to miss out and have the same punishment when they did not behave badly. But maybe on this one occasion at a delicate time to win the war you can concede this battle.

Please be expecting sabotage at every point throughout the holidays and have contingency plans in place for each potential situations - which you have flagged ahead and agreed with your DH.

NeighTrumpSnort · 09/12/2016 01:18

OP - is there any chance you could go back to your original name as it makes your thread easier to follow as your posts are highlighted then

MrsPeelyWally · 09/12/2016 06:38

OP, I would suggest that for the sake of the greater good your parents should be doing all they can to make this very difficult time as easy on you as possible and let you get home under your own steam. It's just the kind of thing we parents of married children have to do.

SandyY2K · 09/12/2016 07:36

I talked with DH last night. I said that I will see MIL but I want a full apology for everything she has done to me with no excuses/justifications from MIL, very firm boundaries decided by me and that I will never allow her to control me again. This apology has to happen before we go home. If it doesn't work out, then that's it, no more contact.

Can I just clarify, that you're requesting the apology as a condition of seeing MIL? And not as a condition of your marriage continuing ?

I think you're fully justified in doing so, as many people would have not even discussed this and maintained 100% no contact with her.

I do wonder what makes people quite so nasty and toxic like she is.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 09/12/2016 14:05

Oh sorry I wasn't as clear as I could have been in that post Sandy. I won't have any contact with MIL without an apology. And when I say contact, in the unlikely circumstance she apologises, there would be no relationship beyond civilities.

What I meant by if it doesn't work out, is if DH doesn't back me when she inevitably refuses or it all goes tits up in some other way.

Neigh, I did the thing where you transfer your old profile to your new NN. Is it still not highlighting?

Peely talked to DParents again and everything fine. Think frustration at the situation just got the better of DMum the other day.

MrsPeelyWally · 09/12/2016 14:28

Peely talked to DParents again and everything fine. Think frustration at the situation just got the better of DMum the other day

Thats great Smile I also just want to make clear that I wasn't criticising your mum. Far from it. As far as Im concerned she was doing exactly what anyone would have wanted to do in this situation - ger her girl from the airport. I do the same with my lot, and my mum did the same with me.

Im sure you're parents are great and my apologies if It sounded as if I was criticising them.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 09/12/2016 14:59

Oh no, that's fine! No offense taken at all Smile none of us are perfect and this situation has been really hard on them too as we are close and they miss me. So I understand that they were just letting off steam really.

DrowningInPoop · 11/12/2016 15:03

Hey, just checking in and to say that lots of us will be hanging out here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2791830-Not-So-Happy-Families-Youre-not-alone

over the festive period. Welcome to join us to let off steam/discuss things.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 11/12/2016 23:21

Hi Drowning that's much appreciated. I'll see you over there!

Flying home Friday so will be sure to update then. Whatever happens with MIL this Christmas, I'll be so glad to be home for a while. This expat lark is great for a while but there's no place like home!

Absofrigginlootly · 12/12/2016 05:19

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boo2410 · 12/12/2016 07:31

Vodka, I have just read the whole thread, you are remarkably strong. Excellent idea to write a list of things you want apologise for, that way it is totally clear. Wishing you a safe journey home. Hope your DH steps up and has your back for the visit, all the best for a Happy Christmas, hope it is all you are wishing for.Flowers Flowers

DrowningInPoop · 12/12/2016 14:13

I hear you on the ex pat front - I haven't spent Christmas at home since 2004!

Sending you lot of luck. You can do this!

DrowningInPoop · 15/12/2016 11:56

Safe flight Vodka

ohfourfoxache · 15/12/2016 14:24

Good luck Vodka, stay strong x

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 15/12/2016 21:57

Thank you all, you've been so kind to me x

I should have an update tomorrow/Saturday. Just about to go for a nap to prepare for getting up at silly o'clock in the morning. It's been a stressful week, what with getting everything ready to go, knowing that MIL bullshit surely awaits when we get home and our landlord taking our rent out 2 weeks early leaving us skint. I don't think I've ever needed a lie down more haha!

Kr1stina · 15/12/2016 22:53

Hope your journey goes smoothly

Absofrigginlootly · 19/12/2016 01:09

Hope everything is going ok for you Vodka

Did you consider what people advised about staying on in the uk after your DH goes back to the US?

I think it's an excellent idea.

I'm a few years ahead of you in that I have a 2 year old DD with my DH. We both have very difficult DMs and are currently nc with mil and trying to implement LC with my DM...
DH largely has my back unlike your DH, BUT there are still times that he simply can't see it and I know the NC causes him a lot of pain and it still causes problems between us and for us in life generally. Toxic people have a habit of infiltrating so many aspects of your life Sad

Please think carefully before having DC with your DH...

There could be another life out there - an easy one that doesn't involve so much heartache and stress

DrowningInPoop · 19/12/2016 15:13

Hope you are home safe and enjoying seeing your family/friends (and that there's been no drama)

lots of in law drama here and we more or less all like each other Grin Wink

ohfourfoxache · 21/12/2016 15:50

Hope you're having a stress free visit Vodka

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 21/12/2016 16:28

Thanks all. It hasn't been too stressful (yet) just hugely busy. This is the first opportunity since Friday I've had just to sit down on my own!

FIL ended up picking us up from the airport and dropped me off at home. All was ok, but at the end of the ride he said that both he and MIL would like to see me over Christmas (as she now seems to be pretending that nothing has happened). I said that while I am happy to see him, I won't be seeing MIL without an apology and definite boundaries set by me. I explained that I am still hugely hurt and angry, so it is imperative that I protect myself.

I certainly won't be allowing her to pretend that everything's fine to reel me in and then be horrible. He wants to meet tomorrow to discuss moving forward. As far as I am concerned, there is very little to discuss. But I have agreed to go, as long as she isn't there.

I know he's a flying monkey but I'm getting to the point where I don't care. I just want to enjoy Christmas with people who I like and who are kind to me. DH is backing me.