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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
VodkaLimeSoda27 · 03/12/2016 15:07

He agreed, and has agreed to counselling if it all goes wrong. I was quite clear that I'll be going back to the UK if he cannot put me first because it's easier to do what she wants.

I think it probably will mean some of the time will be shit, but I've made lots of plans with people I love so hopefully it won't fill up my head as much as it would if I was just at home. I doubt she will agree anyway. My DH has asked for a list of everything I want an apology for and it's a very frank list. She will probably go insane but that's not my fucking problem.

SeaEagleFeather · 03/12/2016 15:08

Very, very good vodka

He has to agree to make me his priority at Christmas (and always), and stand up for me if (and when) she starts. And he will have to accept that, or I go home to England permanently.

I really hope he can deliver. He's got a strong (and kind) wife, and one with the sense to stand her ground in a healthy way for her own survival.

Keep to what you say, and I hope the best for you

Atenco · 03/12/2016 15:52

Hahaha! Just delurking to say there is no fear of her apologising.

I'm rooting for you, Vodka

pasanda · 03/12/2016 15:58

Just delurking too, to say I really hope it works out.

Having read the whole thread, I would be surprised if your MIL did as you asked, but I am hoping against hope your dh sticks to his side of the bargain.

Good luck Flowers

JimmyChoosChimichanga · 03/12/2016 16:25

Vodka When you write that list, make sure your DH agrees that an apology is justified for every single one of the points. This is so that he cannot blame you afterwards for any hassle ensuing. Good luck.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/12/2016 16:29

vodka,

I doubt very much also she will do any apologising; toxic people like his mother never apologise nor accept any responsibility for their actions.
Be careful in any dealings with his family of origin; these people are masters of, "come closer so I can hurt you again".

Re this comment:-
"I also want to give my DH one last chance to prove himself. I'm seeing this situation through new eyes through this thread and I don't like what I see at all. However, I've given this relationship 9 years and I still love him"

He will likely let you down particularly as he will not have started any form of counselling by this point. He has also not changed and is far more afraid of his mother than he ever has been of you.

Re your last sentence that part about "giving this relationship 9 years" is the sunken costs fallacy and that basically causes people to make poor relationship decisions. Do not get sucked into the sunken costs fallacy even though it is very common in relationships. What you forget here is that the damage has already been done.

FabFiveFreddie · 03/12/2016 16:56

I think you've taken a bold step, Vodka. There's no backing down from your position (and there shouldn't be). That apology from MIL is not going to be forthcoming, and I suspect that there's going to be an awful lot of squirming and cajoling and anger thrown your way by DH.

It's good that you've got this thread as an aide memoire. If I were you I would send an email to DH asking him to confirm what you both agreed last night. It will save a lot of time down the line, when he starts with "but I didn't think you meant...", and "but you never said/I never understood that...".

Don't let him drag it out, it's not fair to you. There's absolutely no shame in telling him that you love him dearly, but that you love yourself and your sanity too. If you have to choose, you choose the latter.

Be strong. Yours is an example to follow.

TheInternetIsForPorn · 03/12/2016 16:56

I would do the same. One last ditch, all or nothing, everything on red, final opportunity to prove he can step up. I think you need to know you tried everything, especially as you realise you're only just seeing things for what they are.

fc301 · 03/12/2016 18:34

Well done Vodka that's brilliant. You have stated your boundaries calmly and clearly and they are eminently sensible. Anything else is asking for trouble.
She won't apologise of course (she literally cannot) but I hope that you and your DH survive the process loyal to each other.

(My (D)Ps have been trying to manipulate me for 12 months to ignore shitty behaviour and toe the line so they can see their GC. I gave them a finally chance. All they had to do was acknowledge I was hurt ... they couldn't do it).

FrancisCrawford · 03/12/2016 18:41

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ohfourfoxache · 03/12/2016 18:41

Vodka I think you've "played" this exceptionally well. You're right, she won't be able to resist and that means that, whatever happens now, your conscience is clear and shall remain so.

Bloody well done Thanks

another20 · 04/12/2016 13:43

What really helped me in a similar situation was to frame the family as some sad, mad, deluded pantomine - with MIL as the panto dame with her mad cast of characters / flying monkeys tap dancing to her tune.

She keeps control 24/4 by always being on the verge of an emotional outburst and keeping everyone in suspense, walking on egg shells and as no-one can cope with the drama they spend their lives soothing and indulging her whims.

But you can see it for what it is so dont step on to the stage and engage with this bat-shit crazy stuff. Dont know how to post an image ? But keeping the image in the link below helps me keep it all in perspective. Keep reading about narcs and you will be able to precisely predict her next move....it is all such a cliche.

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AmeliaLeopard · 04/12/2016 16:11

Good luck vodka. I gave my ex fiancé one last chance, despite being advised against it. It was absolutely the right decision. In the end, he didn't put me ahead of his mother and I told him (and anyone else who asked why we split up) that a man who wouldn't put me first wasn't good enough to spend the rest of my life with.

There are two possible outcomes: either he will put you first or he won't. If he does then you are on the road to recovery and can start to rebuild your marriage. If he doesn't you know what you have to do and can walk away knowing you did everything you reasonably could to save your marriage. Either outcome will be better than living as you have been, in fear of his mother and unable to unsure of where you stand with your husband.

Good luck!

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 04/12/2016 18:38

She's just called out of the blue. Unusual. I think DH has been caught off guard so I doubt he'll mention it today. That's fine by me tbh as I want to write out and make it very clear exactly what my expectations are, and what I want an apology for.

So we'll see how this goes. I'm in the bedroom giving him space and privacy to talk to her. I'm determined to do this in the right way.

RaspberryOverloadTheFirst · 04/12/2016 19:14

As this call is out of the blue, be prepared for some pushing from your DH, as if his guard is down he could be promising all sorts to her.

MakeMyWineADouble · 04/12/2016 19:24

Or it's not out of the blue at all his been in touch with her during the week and pre planned after your requests! So he or she can start manipulating the situation back so they have control again!

ohfourfoxache · 04/12/2016 19:39

Be careful Vodka

DrowningInPoop · 05/12/2016 11:32

How did the phone conversation go?

Hope you have managed to write out and list all your thoughts clearly for DH.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 05/12/2016 14:16

Phone conversation was ok. I'm writing my list today and will give it to DH tonight.

He's told them they won't be picking us up from the airport; we are booking a taxi. We will be going separately to parent's houses that night. He will be driving to and from the wedding the next day. And as for the party- he's coming, but not until the evening.

So we're a little further on from where we were, but he's still got a lot of proving to me that he can stand up and do what's right by our marriage.

DrowningInPoop · 05/12/2016 19:35

That does sound like progress and at the very least you know you don't have to face them at the airport.

another20 · 05/12/2016 20:20

Be prepared for everything to be sabotaged.....no matter what is agreed. She will turn up at the airport, she will feign some illness/drama which will scupper your plans etc.....you need to flag this up to your DH so when it happens he knows it is contrived.....

AmeliaLeopard · 05/12/2016 23:16

That does sound like progress vodka. I wouldn't tell him you are expecting it to go badly, just talk through a plan for how to handle it 'just in case'. I would suggest 'I have compromised by agreeing to see mil, so if I feel stressed I think the best way to handle it is to walk away so as to avoid a public row.'

Some (most?) men will choose their wife over their mother. It is normal and natural, so don't assume he won't. I would seriously recommend 'toxic inlaws' by Susan forward to give you some strategies for dealing with confrontation.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 06/12/2016 14:37

Haha. FIL called DH last night and offered to pick us up from the airport with the guarantee there would be no MIL. He just wants to talk to me, apparently. Not to persuade me to roll over which I don't believe for a second.

I explained to DH, again, that I wasn't going to go for that and why. He knew I wouldn't, he didn't ask just brought it up. It was a half-hearted attempt at best. I'd rather spend the £140 on a taxi, thanks. And now my parents are upset that they aren't meeting us at the airport... Not making too much fuss, just saying we haven't done anything wrong, we can't meet you because MIL can't behave. Which is true but give me a break!

On the plus side, we had the calmest talk about the whole situation and MIL's actions last night that I think we've ever had. We asked each other some questions and he was actually listening, not just immediately getting defensive when I said something difficult.

Atenco · 06/12/2016 14:55

Result!

Kr1stina · 06/12/2016 15:06

Well done vodka, you are handling this very carefully

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