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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
Absofrigginlootly · 21/12/2016 16:38

Don't go. I wouldn't be surprised if mil turns up/ambushes you too

This link is quite good at explaining why narcissists and there enablers behave the way they do (and are in this case) when they sense you pulling away (i.e. Their power slipping)

luke173ministries.org/466817

Absofrigginlootly · 21/12/2016 16:40

The first section I mean (before the 4 steps) it explains why they won't ever respect your need for space.

Xmas Smile
another20 · 21/12/2016 16:45

Agree dont go -- he is NOT on your side. He is on the side of an easy life from his DW - and currently he needs YOU to comply so that HE can have some peace at home.

He is not listening to you.

How many times have you told him SHE needs to apologise etc. There is nothing more to say.

She is controlling you at a distance. He will be sent with a script, instructions and a mission to accomplish.

MIL will be pulling the strings and she will reel you back in.

Keep out of punching distance.

ohfourfoxache · 21/12/2016 17:08

I'm really glad your dh is backing you, but I too wouldn't be going. He just wants you to roll over and take whatever shit mil flings in your direction

ThisThingCalledLife · 21/12/2016 18:31

Mmmmm....seems fil is determined to walk all over your needs as well!

I would have still gone ahead with the taxi when he turned up at the airport, you 'gave in' to his 'pressure' when he put you on the spot, so now he's going to continue to use that tactic with you.

DON'T GO ON YOUR OWN! Take your mum or dad or sibling with you, someone who is looking out for you.

Interestingly, what has your dh had to say about his father turning up at the airport - despite being told not to?
What has your dh got to say about his father pressing you for a meeting - AFTER you've made your position clear?

These are basic, simple boundaries and your dh has allowed them all to be broken without stepping in or stepping up to support you, on something that has been mutually agreed by the both of you.

FrancisCrawford · 21/12/2016 18:36

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ChocolateStarBiscuits · 21/12/2016 21:23

Oh no Vodka sounds like they're still not listening. Thought DH made it clear you were making your own way?

(Drowning here with another name change Wink)

Absofrigginlootly · 21/12/2016 23:27

Yes x million to everything thisthing said - she wrote exactly what I wasn't eloquent enough to say!!

Absofrigginlootly · 21/12/2016 23:42

Excellent and sucsinct description of 'enabling fathers'

www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/enabling-fathers/

When your DH is ready, get him to read this website. I know it's aimed at daughters, but most of it applies to sons of narcissists too

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 22/12/2016 23:30

Hi all

Been a really busy day but just wanted to update quickly while I have a spare moment (I will read posts properly tomorrow but absolutely knackered tonight).

Met FIL with DH today. Went over what has happened. There were excuses for MIL's behaviour but tried to bat them away in polite way. DH was great- backed me all the way, held my hand etc etc. It was frosty at some points but not too confrontational.

FIL knew nothing about some of MIL's behaviour and was obviously not very happy that he hadn't heard the full story. Doubt anything will come of that though as she'll crush any objections from him. He brought up the fact I put a status on FB about haters but I literally do not care.

Pressure put on to accept an apology from MIL, which hasn't yet been forthcoming. Obviously, as she isn't sorry! If she was, she'd have said it by now! And she will be furious when she finds out what I have told them about what she said to me.

Have said I am only prepared to receive a SINCERE apology in writing as wish to protect myself from any further hurt and that I wish to consider anything sent to me. As she is who she is, this won't happen. And if it does I wouldn't believe it anyway.

So we will see what happens. My aim is to have nothing to do with any more of this while I'm back. I literally can't- I've barely been able to eat in days I've been so anxious. They are worried that they won't see any future grandchildren apparently, but she obviously hasn't got the self-reflection to realise that if that happens it will be her own fault.

Kr1stina · 22/12/2016 23:38

Thanks for the update and sorry to hear you have been so stressed. Not exactly a relaxing Christmas holiday for you Sad

Absofrigginlootly · 23/12/2016 01:25

Oh dear that sounds stressful Sad
Not a very merry Xmas.... You shouldn't be getting so stressed you're barely eating! That's not good.

Don't get sucked into any more communication with his family now. You've made your position more than clear. Balls in her court.

Just repeat "I'm waiting for a sincere apology" ad nauseum to any further attempts at contact.

With regards to grandchildren, you've already had some excellent advice from posters who've been there for the t shirt ..... These links are good.

Hope the rest of your Xmas break is happier and more relaxing!! Xmas Smile

Scroll past all the book recommendations:
www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/narcissistic-grandmothers/

narcissismschild.com/2015/02/20/keep-narcissistic-grandparents-away-from-your-kids/#comments

SeaEagleFeather · 23/12/2016 07:10

It sounds like you handled that really well vodka. It must have taken so much determination! so glad your husband was there for you too.

There may be 'excuses' or even reasons but sometimes you reach the end of the road, no matter what the excuse is.

Take it easy, all this will take a few days to de-stress from. Hope you can enjoy your actual christmas now Wine

Naicehamshop · 23/12/2016 07:37

You are being so strong op! Massive kudos!

ohfourfoxache · 23/12/2016 09:04

It's fantastic that you've told FIL all about it- well done. At least he sounds a little more on board than he was, and I'm so glad DH is backing you up

ChocolateStarBiscuits · 23/12/2016 19:26

Hats off to you! Try and put it to the back of your mind now, she won't wan't to admit she's wrong.

ChocolateStarBiscuits · 01/01/2017 15:34

Been thinking of you Vodka hope that you're ok and the radio silence means it's all going well.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 27/01/2017 17:30

Hello all. Sorry about the lack of updates. I just haven't felt strong enough to do it until today.

So I got an apology in writing, as requested. Then they started the constant hassle to see them, going on and on at DH when he was with them and texting him etc. DH went on about it so I cried and gave in.

I met them at a pub with DH just before New Year and it was very, very obvious that she isn't sorry and only cares about her own feelings. So the apology was bollocks, but I knew it would be. I could barely look at her. I was so angry and full of hatred I couldn't stop shaking but I said as little as possible. DH did all the talking, really.

There was talk about how they were worried they wouldn't see any future grandparents, because obviously I'm just a womb. Oh, and how if we want to cut them off we should just go ahead and do it so they have time to get over it. And how MIL always wanted a girl... While DH was sitting there.

DH defended me (at least) and said after I never want to put you through anything like that again. He was angry and said they aren't trying hard enough to show they are sorry. I said it's probably because they aren't. He does seem to have had a massive reality check from seeing this situation play out for himself, so that's one good thing. He recognises she is a narc and that this is irretrievable. I told him about this thread and we're going to read the books people have recommended together.

To top it off, when DH came to my parents house the night before we flew back to the US, he had a late Christmas present from them. That they had bought in case I changed my mind and came round. Another piece of manipulation. It was the most generic thing you get for someone you don't even know.

I told him I don't want anything from them and I won't be thanking them. If he had seen them again I would have got him to give it back.

So there we have it! I'm back to dreading my next trip home in April as I'm sure it'll all start again...

Hissy · 27/01/2017 18:14

It only starts again if you let it.

You can just say no.

You can change mobile numbers, just leave it there.

There is no redemption for some, they don't want to be seen to capitulate, and they won't.

You don't have to play their game.

Hissy · 27/01/2017 18:41

She only apologised so she could draw you both closer and hurt you again with the cut us off comments.

She wanted to have the last word.

She can now say to all and sundry that she wrote the letter and begged you not to cut her off etc... and make you out to be the bad bitch...

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 27/01/2017 20:04

I'm sorry Vodka Glad to hear at least dh is giving you some support. Thanks

TheOnlyWayIsMN · 27/01/2017 20:30

Oh no Vodka :(

I agree that you should refuse to engage. Hopefully you can do some reading before Easter.

(Drowning with another name change)

boo2410 · 27/01/2017 20:32

Hi Vodka, thanks for the update. Make sure you're DH has always got you're back and give them a wide birth in April, they will know why you won't see them. Enjoy precious time with your family and keep in touch with us. There are a lot of wise people on here with excellent advice. Take care of yourself. Flowers

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 06/03/2017 18:02

Hi all. Recommended books have been ordered and are on their way. All was quiet I thought, until today.

DH told me this morning his parents have offered to pay for us to go on a cruise (somewhere pretty exclusive that we wouldn't probably afford to be able to go to ourselves). Obviously, the caveat is that we would be going together. Their plan is that they would travel to the US and we would go together.

Now this to me seems a fairly obvious way to buy me off and make me toe the party line. When I told DH this, he said oh it isn't about buying you off... Not completely, anyway Hmm

I feel pretty angry about it all again now. He says he won't try and persuade me but it can't stay like this forever.

For. Fucks. Sake!!!

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 06/03/2017 18:04

They asked him on Skype yesterday, and I was out with other friends. He has said he'll ask me....