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Has anyone ever sorted out a completely, utterly, fucked up life?

998 replies

WindfallenArch · 30/09/2016 14:36

I've no job, no friends, a disastrous marriage, no money, family all dead. I have two tween kids who used to make it all worthwhile, but now look at me with contempt and have no interest in being in the same room as me let alone doing something together. I'm a 42 year old fat alcoholic and I'm utterly pointless. I drag myself sadly through each day and I see no joy in anything at all. It hurts in my heart all the time I'm awake.
Has anyone ever sorted themselves out after fucking up everything they touched?

Sorry for the self pity. Today is particularly excruciating.

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PacificDogwod · 06/10/2016 20:43

Have you ever had any professional help with detox and consistent support after the physical detox is done and the really hard part (staying sober) begins?

BantyCustards · 06/10/2016 20:44

Windfallen

Your Eastenders reference struck a chord with me. You are not alone. I'd even wager we'd have a cynical laugh swapping storylines.

QuiteLikely5 · 06/10/2016 20:47

Have you considered asking the GP for sleeping tablets to help with cutting back?

Life has dealt you a cruel hand and at least you are here now trying to do something about it.

Never give up on yourself

PacificDogwod · 06/10/2016 20:50

Big fat NO to sleeping tablets!
Sorry, really not a safe or advisable thing to do and no doctor worth their salt will prescribe that outwith a tightly supported detox.

But yes, seek help for your addiction.
GP is a start, they will likely refer to specialist services.

BantyCustards · 06/10/2016 20:54

Second Pacific. Sleeping tabs plus lots of alcohol is a huge no-no.

Far better to find a cadre of insomniacs and swap stories online in those horrible, heart-pounding, dark wee hours.

WindfallenArch · 06/10/2016 21:11

Hello kind folks.

I've been in and out of GP surgeries about my drinking for ages. I get sent to Turning Point who insist I taper - I genuinely get difficult shakes and horror like panic attacks. Mild, benign hallucinations - I usually see red and blue crabs climbing the walls out of the corner of my eye. Odd to tell anyone that that isn't wearing a lanyard.

I'm sure the lovely people that are at Turning Point are keen to see me well, but my experience of the business model of the overarching company is incapable of catching anyone when they stumble. which makes the free at the point of use consumer forever doomed to fail. I keep following the circle round.

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Mum2twoUnder4 · 06/10/2016 21:15

Try going back to college?

PacificDogwod · 06/10/2016 21:16

Odd to tell anyone that that isn't wearing a lanyard.
Grin
See, that's funny - you have a great turn of phrase! That sense of humour will see you far.

I am not familiar with Turning Point.
Have you ever seen a consultant psychiatrist specialising in addictions? Had a medical detox? This can be done (supervised) at home with daily medication to keep the horrors away.
From what you write here it sounds like you could do with going up a tier - you are not a 'problem drinker' who overdoes it a bit in the pub on a Saturday night, you have a physical and mental addiction and should be treated accordingly.

WindfallenArch · 06/10/2016 21:17

In not absolving myself of responsibility FWIW - it is my problem. But I do think the 'help' is based on repeat custom rather than success. I really would cost the NHS less if I could lock myself in a padded cell for 5 days to get through the painful bit. No part of me enjoys wine any more. I appreciate not feeling hysterical.

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FantasticButtocks · 06/10/2016 21:22

Sorry it took me so long to actually get my computer out!

I wanted to talk to you about your critical voice, I wrote an articulate post on my bloody phone and lost it earlier today. Now I can't articulate it in the same way and have since read more and caught up, and Iearned more about your mother, the person who started that voice off in your head. The one person who we are supposed to be able to rely on from the moment we are born, your mother let you down so badly, it's no wonder you speak to yourself and about yourself in such a harsh way. Sad And it's no wonder you self-medicate.

You know the voice I'm talking about don't you? The voice that says you're a failure, a loser, a terrible mother, an awful person, a waste of space. Having your background, you've been trained, really, to talk to and about yourself in this nasty way. It's your mother's voice, telling you you're not worth much. Telling you you're crap. You seem like a nice person, who wouldn't probably talk to another person in a nasty, abusive way. But you do it to your self. That same poor self who has been through so much and is having such a hard time as it is!

I have learned that sometimes we need to actually 'mother' ourselves. Think of the kind of mother you actually needed and need. The kind of mother we all need, the kind of loving mother we all want to be to our actual children. Someone who speaks to you kindly, treats you gently, gives encouragement. Someone who loves you. When you look in the mirror, look yourself in the eyes, and whatever you are thinking as you look into your own eyes (some awful thing no doubt) tell yourself something nice and kind, offer some comfort from the 'good mother' place in you. Talk to yourself as if you are the poor child you once were, talk to her as she should be talked to. God, can you tell I've had therapy? I'm just saying something simple, something kind:
'It's ok sweetie'

'you can do this'
'you've done pretty well to get this far considering all the shit that's happened'
'you're going to be ok'
'you're going to do this, one step at a time, but you are.'
'you've got nice teeth', even.
Just, please, say one, small, nice thing to yourself whenever you look in the mirror. It might become a habit. You might start to show yourself a bit of love. And when you can show yourself some love, and compassion and gentleness, then maybe you'll find it easier to sort your particular brand of addiction and self-medication.

Your mother is a nasty fucking bitch so is mine and it is she who has planted this idea in your head that you are shit, pointless and not worth it. DO NOT LET HER VOICE WIN AND DOMINATE. Start a new voice, and let that new voice be the one who takes over. So, when you say something nasty to or about your poor self, your new voice, the compassionate mother, the one who actually cares what happens to you, needs to step in and say, 'No, don't talk like that, that's unkind/unhelpful' etc - Sorry, dearest OP, I really am rambling on now Blush and now have visions of you standing in front of the bathroom mirror having an argument with yourself! I need to get my supper, so I'll stop. Hunger is making me write badly, but there were things I wanted to say to you, however cack-handedly. My dear father was an alcoholic. But we loved him dearly. He is dead now and we all miss him. And our poisonous mother (NC for many years for my health and sanity's sake, thank god) will probably live forever!

Flowers
stubbornstains · 06/10/2016 21:24

OP, I just wanted to say that you write extremely well; you're both witty and insightful. Do you write as a form of therapy, at all? (other than on here, obvs). Perhaps you should keep a diary, or even consider a blog?

BantyCustards · 06/10/2016 21:34

It does sound like you are being referred to the wrong services at this point and are unwittingly caught in the revolving door that scuppers many an NHS patient.

It's probable that you are going to have to be more forceful in your approach with the GP and I urge you to do so.

You have more going for you than you think.

WindfallenArch · 06/10/2016 21:35

Hey fantastic what a lovely, kind, thoughtful and generous post. You don't do things by halves do you? I love that. That was so full of fight. I salute you. I take such solace that you loved your Dad despite his drinking. My babies were snuggly tonight.

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BantyCustards · 06/10/2016 21:36

Check your inbox

WindfallenArch · 06/10/2016 21:47

Hi banty , we should start our own thread. I can do gallows humour :-)

How's life for you? Can I offer something back? God knows you've been a balm to me.

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BantyCustards · 06/10/2016 21:51

Focus on yourself - see the input of kind random strangers as an opportunity to pay it forward at some point in your bright future.

WindfallenArch · 06/10/2016 22:12

Hello stubbornstains, what a lovely thing to say. I don't write, no. It might be an idea. I don't like to dwell - hence the piss artist approach.

(I'd also probably write a Sophie Kinsella Mrs Dalloway and then I'd be obliged to avoid both pebbles and shopping for coats)

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Ohyesiam · 06/10/2016 22:20

Yes, yes I've totally fucked my life up, big style. It was NA for me, I got friends (finally!), I got support, and on the 3rd attempt, I got clean.
I am quite a passive person, i'm not spirited or a fighter, and I did it, so you can I promise you that. (And I can say those things about myself with no judgement, just as facts).

I've seen you ask a few times what changed. I think I Just couldn't stand the suffering any longer. Does that sound familiar?

Your children do love you. Know that you are loved.

Please go to the meeting tomorrow, the feeling of being able to be yourself and just be seen as that , with no judgement is the best medicine.

I'm really rooting for you, I'm really behind you. Pick yourself up and go to that meeting.

Wishing you much strength and tenderness

BantyCustards · 06/10/2016 22:20

Writing may be a great outlet for you.

NaNoWriMo is coming up - just saying...

WindfallenArch · 06/10/2016 22:29

Hello ohyesiam You sound full of hope and positivity. It sounds like a lovely place to be.

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WindfallenArch · 06/10/2016 22:54

Gah. Tapering is fucking hard.

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Bluepowder · 06/10/2016 22:56

Keep going. We're all here. Although some of us are probably asleep. Are you in bed yet?

WindfallenArch · 06/10/2016 23:00

Oh blue thank you. You've made me clean my teeth rather than drink.

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Bluepowder · 06/10/2016 23:03

Yay! Now I suppose I'll have to go and clean mine, write a note for dd's school that I've been putting off and put my pj's on. We can be worthy together.

GinBunny · 06/10/2016 23:16

OP, I wonder if you could read back your thread. Your most recent posts are so much lighter and you are clearly gaining strength already. You can do this, I have no doubt.

I have a drink problem too, and your thread has given me so much to think about. I am currently having counselling and am going to tell my counsellor at my next session and hope that I can start dealing with it too. Let's do it together?