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Christmas issues

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ConkersDontScareSpiders · 21/08/2016 21:18

I have recently separated from h, and though at first it was very amicable, that soon altered when it transpired he had been seeing my best friend for the year and a half before the break up and that they had both been acting in ways that were highly manipulative and unpleasant during that time.This has continued in various forms since I found out and there have also been some horrible discussions with h about money,which have been stressful and during which I feel he has attempted to screw me over a bit.
I have had some pretty bad anxiety/depression issues since finding out about this in March.I eventually lost my job, which Id started the day I found out and which was something I had worked so hard for.Im still finding it all quite hard to deal with.
Our two DD's (9 and 10) are unaware of the situation with h and my former best friend (though I think they have worked out that something is going on-small town, lots of gossip, and of course said friend is no longer in my house every few days as she had been-and the kids aren't totally oblivious to that kind of thing).h does not want to tell them and I haven't-against my better judgement really and also because her kids are friends with mine-so it would be something that would affect them too-as they are also apparently none the wiser.
The situation is very strained still and I am nowhere near back to being myself.
The girls are now asking what will happen at christmas. They have expressed a preference to go to my parents-a 3 hour drive away (as my dad is old and ill and they have a very good relationship with him and are concious that after a recent health scare he is not invincible).My parents do not want anything to do with ex h, (whereas in the past it might have been possible-it isn't yet and may never be, for him to come with us to spend Christmas at their house).
H and I have had some brief discussions re Christmas.he thinks it would be 'unreasonable' of me to say that we are not all four going to spend Christmas together 'as that's what we always said we would do' (which we did, even post split-but that was when we were friends, before his behaviour had become apparent and before he consequences for me had occurred).
I don't feel I can spend any prolonged time with him at the moment.we are polite in front of the kids, and other than stuff around the kids I am trying not to engage with him at all. The thought of spending Christmas with him is not Inspiring.However of course I also don't want to spend it without the girls-especially this year after all that's happened.
The added issue is that it's dd1's birthday on Boxing Day-so it's not even really possible to trade one day off for the other in our case without it being awful for her.
I just don't know what to do, so any advice would be welcome. Am I being unreasonable in wanting to go to my parents? This will be our first spilt up Christmas and I'm so sad that we arent even friends enough to spend it all together as we might have done. It was important to me that we were friends still-and all that is now screwed up really.But I'm still a bit shattered by it all and I can't see how I can do it at the minute.
Sorry this was so long.

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ConkersDontScareSpiders · 26/08/2016 09:08

One of her kids was dd1's best friend. They aren't as close as they once were ( inseparable from nursery onwards) as they just sort of grew apart (thank actual God). They didn't fall out, but both just started spending time with other people at school.nej kids was bothered really.She on the other hand was devastated at the time and kept asking me to ask dd1 to make more effort with her dd, to the point where our other friends had to tell her, gently, to stop going on about it. Of course I now see why it upset her so much. The girls are still friends but mercifully not glued to one another anymore.
Her dd and both of mine play on the same football team.
I told the the girls class teachers at school soon after I found out as I wanted them to be able to keep any eye out for the girls when I wasn't there. I felt they needed to know who was involved as it was relevant to the issue. I informed her h (and mine) that I had done so. Her h was ok about it. Mine is a governer at the school and he wasn't pleased.His sister accused me of 'trying to make as much trouble for him as possible'.
I will talk to the girls about it before school starts.

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legoqueen · 26/08/2016 12:38

You've been remarkably calm & dignified but it's time to stop worrying about his reputation - he is responsible for destroying that - & start putting your needs first.

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ConkersDontScareSpiders · 26/08/2016 12:48

I haven't all the time. There has been plenty of shouting unfortunately.

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clam · 26/08/2016 13:00

Yes, why are you colluding in keeping his dirty little secrets?

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DownTownAbbey · 26/08/2016 13:00

Oh my gawd this is almost a carbon copy of what happened to me! I totally get the sense of feeling scared of his reaction to things even though he's got absolutely no right to make demands now. You need to get over that. By leaving you in such an appallingly nasty way he's given up the 'right ' to make demands. Keep telling yourself that. It's so hard when all the betrayal and worry about your future/ your DCs is swirling round in your head. Don't let him capitalise further on your devestation by controlling you now!

He broke your family up so he broke Christmas. He doesn't get to have an input this year. Sod him.

Minimise contact with him. He shouldn't be allowed the opportunity to coerce you.

Is him having the DCs 3 nights p/w a way of giving you less maintenance? If you are doing school pick ups he's hardly inconvenienced yet able to claim 'he's such a doting dad' whilst paying you less than he should. If he wants overnights he should do pick ups / taxi to clubs / their tea etc.

Definitely tell your DCs yourself. Yes, he should explain himself but he won't. It'll be a PR exercise designed to down grade his actions and minimise the validity of your feelings. Do NOT give him the power to rewrite history. I'm not saying you trash him to his kids obviously! Just stop letting him have all the control!

Flowers

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DownTownAbbey · 26/08/2016 13:09

Urgh. Just seen he's a school governor. Good for you informing the school - this could blow up one day and they need to know. Sod his sodding reputation. If he was the decent chap he wants everyone to think he is he should have ended your marriage before he decided to poke your friend not 18months afterwards! Luckily they deserve each other and when it's no longer 'them against the world ' (puke) the rot will set in.

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ConkersDontScareSpiders · 26/08/2016 15:03

He has them three nights because he wants them-he is in fairness a good dad to them-albeit very Disney-and he does love them and they him.he's ok with the maintenance-it was more that he'd decided on a figure-he pays more than the minimum as he earns a lot. My solicitor advised that due to his salary and my loss of job that the figure should be higher.he didn't like that and there has been a lot of arguing about it-that and pensions and savings as he can't get his head around 'giving' me half. I'm hoping its nearly concluded.
I am quite nervous of him-i don't know why. Prior to this I was quite a strong person. He can be very intimidating-not in an aggressive way-just that he strongly believes he is right and it makes me question myself I suppose.i get that I sound drippy but I can't articulate why I can't stand up to him more.

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bluebeck · 26/08/2016 15:27

I agree with PP. tell the DC the truth. You don't need to warn anyone, just say you blurted it out. What can he do about it?

You are allowing him ALL THE CONTROL still. Don't you want to take some back?

Re Christmas, just say no, that doesn't work for me, I will be doing X, Y Z. Maybe you have them Christmas Day, DD opens her birthday presents with you Boxing Day morning and then he comes and collects them. Collects them at the door though, no coming in for Christmas cheer. Selfish fucker.

And no pretending it's all happy families doing things together. He made his choice - he can fuck off and parent alone when he has them.

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ConkersDontScareSpiders · 26/08/2016 16:32

I don't suppose he can do anything really-except cock about a bit more re the financials...plus I think that would be it for us even having a polite relationship which I still think is important for the girls.

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DoinItFine · 26/08/2016 16:39

I think that would be it for us even having a polite relationship which I still think is important for the girls.

You don't have a "polite" relationship.

You have a submissive relationship where he pushes younaround and you let him.

It is awful for your daughters to see that.

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ConkersDontScareSpiders · 26/08/2016 17:21

They don't see that.they aren't party to our discussions via email or in person.

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SeaCabbage · 26/08/2016 17:32

Please don't do the half and half thing over Christmas.

Surely it is best for your girls to be more settled in one place.

Stuff him this year. Go to your parents. You may have to do alternate Christmases and birthdays in future but this year I would suggest you have it with your family and your friends.

He can stick it. Tell him via email.

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Dozer · 26/08/2016 17:34

Is your solicitor now satisfied with the financial settlement?

His being polite to you seems to be contingent on you doing what he wants.

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clam · 26/08/2016 17:37

You can still be coolly polite to him; even if he's furious. In fact, I'd say that might be quite amusing to do!

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DoinItFine · 26/08/2016 17:41

They don't see that.they aren't party to our discussions via email or in person.

If he is only going to behave decentky if you submit to his every denand, then he is an abusive bastard and you need to stop all contact with him.

This politeness is all bullshit if it's just a gloss on bullying.

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tellyjots · 26/08/2016 17:56

Go to your parents as your DDs wish.

He's a selfish prick and the only thing he should be getting for Christmas is a roundhouse kick to the face.

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tellyjots · 26/08/2016 17:56

Go to your parents as your DDs wish.

He's a selfish prick and the only thing he should be getting for Christmas is a roundhouse kick to the face.

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ConkersDontScareSpiders · 26/08/2016 21:29

No he is most always fairly polite. He hair says vile things.but politely. It's hard to articulate it.
The solicitor is happy, but it is yet to be signed and sealed...there is still some back and forth about some bits of it.
Email is probably the best method for Christmas discussion I agree. Otherwise I will get too upset/angry and that plays into his hands I suppose.

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