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What a prick! Pissed offwith me because I've got my period.

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FindingSmeagol · 21/08/2016 15:12

I've been away from Dp for a week with dd 2. It was only meant to be a couple of nights but she ended up in hospital for one night with an infection (absolutely fine now) so I went from there to my family as I knew he'd be working and I wanted some support. First morning home and he notices San pro in the bathroom and says 'oh ffs your kidding?!' Um no these things happen monthly and no I've no control over it Hmm. I said 'you are Joking right? He's not. He feels cheated out of another few days of sex because he knows I'm not up for it in the first few days. Not really an AIBU. Just a 'what a cockwoble' klaxon type rant. Agh and breathe.

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BitOutOfPractice · 22/08/2016 10:00

Yes, he is sexually abusing you regularly right there in the middle of your family life. Sorry to be blunt but that's the unvarnished truth.

Any one of the things you have said he does would be enough to have me leaving him. The whole picture you have painted amounts to systematic, ongoing and serious abuse.

OP do you even know what a decent man does if he suggests sex and his partner refuses?

Trifleorbust · 22/08/2016 10:05

OP, do you ever want to give him oral sex? I don't personally enjoy it and so I don't do it. My partner doesn't ask.

NeedACleverNN · 22/08/2016 10:06

Yes it is abuse

He is trying to guilt trip you in to doing what he wants

If you pull him up on it, his feelings are hurt. So you tip toe around trying to make him happy

QuintessentialShadow · 22/08/2016 10:07

He does not really respect your NEED not to have sex, does he?

clam · 22/08/2016 10:07

Ill refuse to give him head later and go from there

Well, you need to think ahead a little bit. Past experience has shown you that he will not accept your refusal. He will go on and on and on. How determined are you going to be to stick to your guns, because if you say no and then relent, you're actually re-inforcing his belief that your feelings on the matter aren't relevant. He takes precedence over you.

fuzzywuzzy · 22/08/2016 10:08

OP, maybe something to think about, my DP would never demand/expect a quick fuck if I wasn't in the mood. He says there's no pleasure in it for him if I'm not as into it as he is, even if he's desperate for it. I think that's more reasonable than your P having a quickie when you're definitely not into it.

You're being badly abused, would you tell any female you cared about in your life that being treated the way you are is ok?

Your feelings matter, if you don't want to have sex that's fine, you should not feel badgered into having sex. That's not a normal loving relationship. Anyone who loves you and is a decent human being won't force you to have sex, regardless if you're going to be apart for a bit or if they're gagging for it. This is deeply abusive I'm going to make a guess and say he wasn't like this from the beginning and has ramped it up over time.

Please consider calling womens aid for advice or someone to talk to.

This is no reflection on you, it's all on him.

QuintessentialShadow · 22/08/2016 10:11

What will you respond when he asks WHEN you will have sex/give BJ, and he wants to pin you down to a date and time for you to oblige?

What then? What is your plan? Will you say "never", "we will see", "in two weeks"?

CoraPirbright · 22/08/2016 10:13

Smeagol do you have anyone who you could talk to IRL about this? Sister/close girlfriend/mum or something? I guess it would be a bit embarrassing at first but I think it would be such a support for you if you could.

Flowers for you and good luck later on. Stay strong!

JacquettaWoodville · 22/08/2016 10:29

Good. Go canny.

Is there somewhere you could go if you needed to?

JudyCoolibar · 22/08/2016 10:31

When he starts sulking, please just leave him to it and go off and do something else. Likewise when he starts pestering, please tell him no means no, and you don't intend to discuss it any further.

erinaceus · 22/08/2016 10:36

I haven't talked to anyone before about it because, who would? It's embarrassing.

I do. Regularly. To my DH, to my therapist, to my psychiatrist, to my friends and to my sisters.

Not the detail, except with DH, but in general terms, yes.

FindingSmeagol · 22/08/2016 10:36

Sorry it's literally impossible to type with a toddler demanding attention!

I've been with him for so long I didnt know this was abuse.

I used to enjoy giving oral sex when I was young and attractive. Now I feel a bit yuck doing it. I don't like recieving it either and haven't for about 10 years. I had issues when I was young around sexual acts that only gave me pleasure were bad in a shameful sence. I'm over that now.

No he doesn't respect my right not to have sex. I can accept that.

I don't know how I'll respond tonight. Probably just deflect and deflect till my periods light enough we can have sex again. Long term, I don't know.

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JudyCoolibar · 22/08/2016 10:37

Don't deflect, just tell him no mean no and you have a right to have that accepted without being nagged.

erinaceus · 22/08/2016 10:38

Yes, it is embarrassing, sometimes, shameful, even. I do what I have to do to keep me safe, and I suggest that you do the same. There are phone numbers that you can call if you need to talk to someone IRL, now. Other posters will be along with those I would guess. The other thing I would suggest you do is ask MN that this thread be moved to Relationships, MH, or Feminism Chat.

AnyFucker · 22/08/2016 10:39

Op, things will only change if you take steps to change them

Carrying on in the same vein (deflecting then capitulating) will only get you more of the same treatment

coconutpie · 22/08/2016 10:40

This is grim reading Sad This must be so difficult to read for you Flowers. It definitely is abuse Sad I think you should LTB but perhaps you're just not at that stage yet. In the meantime, don't give into his demands. Demanding sex and BJs and not accepting no for an answer is abusive. Your OH should be supportive not doing this. It makes me feel sick that you feel you have to put out for him in the days leading up to your period or whatever just so he doesn't feel like he's losing out. What a total prick.

coconutpie · 22/08/2016 10:44

Tonight tell him no, he's not getting a BJ. When he starts nagging or tells you that he'll be getting one tomorrow instead then, you tell him no means no and you'll decide when or if he gets a fucking BJ. If he keeps nagging you about this shit, he'll never get one again. I'm so angry for you, he's treating you dreadfully. You don't have to put up with this. Protect yourself and your DD.

MyCatIsTryingToKillMe · 22/08/2016 10:46

OP reading this I can see the responses may be a bit overwhelming for you. Some posters can be quite demanding of how you should go forward but all of it is meant in a positive supportive way. His behaviour is totally unacceptable but you have become numb to it in many ways as it has been the norm since you were young. It is controlling and abusive and you need time to absorb that information and decide how to go forward from here. You shouldn't feel afraid and guilty but I am someone else who has that kind of response to other people in my life (not sex related but still manipulative) and it's hard to understand why you feel that way when your mind knows that the other person is in the wrong.

Stand up for yourself today, tell him it's not happening because you don't want it. No excuses need to be made as he'll try and use those to manipulate but if it's a first step then do what you need to. Hugs for you and I hope you have the confidence from the response here to know that you are right. X

FindingSmeagol · 22/08/2016 10:48

In terms of planning the future we are planing to move soon. It's a bit of a stretch for me having a moan on an online forum to LTB but as I said before it's not the first time these thoughts have cropped up in my mind and I sometimes feel our relationship has run its course. Nothing big is going to happen immediately but I may well look into options for just me and dd moving.
So easy to say on here and so difficult to put into practice.

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Trifleorbust · 22/08/2016 10:50

"No" is a complete sentence, OP. Don't explain, don't negotiate, don't respond to him in any way. Just say you are not doing it. You don't need to say or do anything. You do need to protect your mental health.

GutInstinct · 22/08/2016 10:56

OP, part of the issue here is that there are times when you are a willing partner and when sex works for both of you. This is what causes the confusion. It's hard to see that sex is something which is used against you when at other times this is something which you mutually agree on iyswim.

I was married to a man like this. I was a virgin when we got together and he was considerate in waiting until I was ready to have sex. He would have said no at any point during sex, and I have always given him credit for this.

But not long after we'd started sleeping together he left a message on my voicemail saying that as I was coming down for his birthday perhaps I should keep taking my pill so he could enjoy sex with me as a birthday treat. He knew to the day when my period was due, and one weekend he suggested there was no point me going to see him as I would be on. We had a massive row about that one.

Whenever he went away coming back there would be an expectation of sex. He would grope me constantly. Would make references to wanting to give/receive oral, neither of which I was a fan of. Very occasionally I would let him go down on me, but if I ever said no he would become annoyed and say that if only I would let him do it I know how much I would enjoy it.

He would refuse to kiss or hug me during my period, and one day when I asked him he said there was no point as he knew there was nothing else on offer. The day before my six week checkup after I'd given birth he took me to bed and made me have sex because "you need to know that it's possible." I'd had an episiotomy and it was horrid. I cried during and afterwards, even though he was gentle I felt horribly used and as if I had to perform.

Added to all of that he systematically isolated mE from friends and family. Made it impossible for me to go back to work after I had DC, moved us hundreds of miles away from any support network.

This all went on over a period of about twelve years. Thing is, on the surface we had a decent relationship. He enabled me to be a SAHM, we had joint finance even though I wasn't earning, but we had no mutual friends, they were all his, and he made sure he told me regularly how sad he was that I didn't have friends. Sad.

Unfortunately the end of the relationship was not my finest hour. I met someone who made me realise that relationships are not supposed to be like this and I had a brief affair. It is something I regret bitterly. But although the affair ended I realised that I had to leave, and I did.

Obviously the reasons why the marriage ended are all my fault according to him and everyone else who knows him., and even my own family, because apparently he didn't hit me so therefore he wasn't abusive.

But it was only as time has gone on that I've realised the true extent of the abuse he put me through and even this thread has triggered memories for me.

It's very easy for people to ask on the surface why you are still with him. When you're there the bad bits are horrible, but they are also mixed with the good, and there will be good bits, otherwise it's not a marriage.

You need to communicate with him. He needs to be made to see what he's doing is unacceptable. I did have these conversations with my H more than once, and things would change for a while, but they always went backwards again.

But the starting point is a discussion where you absolutely lay on the line how he makes you feel. If he doesn't take that on board then it's time to consider the future.

NotYoda · 22/08/2016 10:57

I think that it's a pretty good sign that you are slowly moving in the direction of splitting, if you've posted twice about him.

It must be hard to take on board the objective view that he is abusive. Painful and overwhelming.

What you write about him sickens me, but it's what you know

JackandDiane · 22/08/2016 10:57

off topic but I am continually amazed women HAVE periods in this day and age. Seems so medieval

Get a coil or take the pill all the time - WAY cheaper and easier. I havent had a period since 2003

NotYoda · 22/08/2016 10:59

Jack

It is off topic!

There are loads of opportunities to post about your contraceptive choices

Start one if you like

clam · 22/08/2016 10:59

And don't be deflected by his saying, "but you promised." It's quite OK to tell him that he coerced you into that promise and that you've changed your mind.

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