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What a prick! Pissed offwith me because I've got my period.

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FindingSmeagol · 21/08/2016 15:12

I've been away from Dp for a week with dd 2. It was only meant to be a couple of nights but she ended up in hospital for one night with an infection (absolutely fine now) so I went from there to my family as I knew he'd be working and I wanted some support. First morning home and he notices San pro in the bathroom and says 'oh ffs your kidding?!' Um no these things happen monthly and no I've no control over it Hmm. I said 'you are Joking right? He's not. He feels cheated out of another few days of sex because he knows I'm not up for it in the first few days. Not really an AIBU. Just a 'what a cockwoble' klaxon type rant. Agh and breathe.

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Trifleorbust · 22/08/2016 08:56

Ungrateful? Why would you feel grateful for his need to use you for a quick fuck before work? And why are you not more furious that he would ever do so?

When he is 'nagging' in order to make you feel bad, what sort of wording might he use? Sounds like an odd question, but you have used lots of emotive language (wank sock, quick fuck, 'need') that shows you perceive yourself as something to be used for his needs, or you believe that is how he sees you. What does he say to make you feel like this?

FindingSmeagol · 22/08/2016 08:56

Like a shit not shot.

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DoinItFine · 22/08/2016 08:56

Having sex because it is "easier to oblige" is part of a sexually abusive relationship.

If he just needs a quick fuck before work then yes it's just him quickly doing it from behind and yes it can feel a bit degrading but not to the point of abuse

He doesn't need a quick fuck. EVER.

Him using you like that is degrading.

And sex that degrades you is abusive.

It is honestly horrifying to read what he puts you through snd what you have accepted as normal.

This is not at all a healthy sexual relationship.

Most people only enjoy mutually pleasurable sex.

He knows well you don't want sex and pushes for it anyway. How can you possibly think he doesn't get off on that?

Most men would not find it remotely arousing to stick their dick into an uninterested woman.

He's at work today with a semi imagining the BJ he knows you don't want to give him.

He is a rapey fucker.

You need to get away from him.

It doesn't have to be now now now, but you should not have to live like this.

Ninasimoneinthemorning · 22/08/2016 08:57

op this is actually bigger than I think you realise.

Most men don't act like this. You deserve better Flowers

DesolateWaist · 22/08/2016 08:59

If he just needs a quick fuck before work then yes it's just him quickly doing it from behind and yes it can feel a bit degrading but not to the point of abuse.

Oh my love. This is abuse. In fact I'm going to stick my neck out and say it's damn near rape.
No one 'needs' a quick fuck before work. He IS using and abusing you.
Is there anything in the lead up to the quick pre work fuck? Does he do any of it to give you please or is it simply a 'come here and bend over'?

This is abuse and in my opinion it is rape. He is using you and it is making me sick to the put of my stomach.

glitterwhip · 22/08/2016 09:00

No ..just no ...what an utter bellend! i have no words! Getting snotty when you don't get sex on demand would certainly cause a serious case of permanent vaginal dryness in my case, he'd be getting nothing, ever

toptoe · 22/08/2016 09:02

You're not a 'doormat' or weak in any way. That's the biggest problem when opening eyes to abuse.

I think that maybe you need to look at it a different way, rather than 'is he abusive' think about what you would do to someone else and if what he does to you is kind or not.

So, if you fancied a bit would you pester someone and make lewd comments until they said 'oh, alright then' then have sex with them or force them to perform oral sex on you when you knew after a lot of pestering they did not want to?

My view on people like him is that they use people to make them happy. Sometimes they are kind, others they are unkind, but the overall aim is the same: to please themselves. Never to please others. They might be nice at times or 'loving' but they're doing it so they get loving back to them.

JacquettaWoodville · 22/08/2016 09:06

I'm sure you are very lovely, OP, but this is nothing to do with how he can't keep his hands off you.

If he adored you as he claimed, he'd respect your feelings about this.

Him, him , him, that's all I hear about his priorities.

How old is your DD?

BroomhildaVonShaft · 22/08/2016 09:10

Nagging and making you feel guilty is bullying and it is coercion. It is abuse.
Sexual preoccupation is an indicator of abusive tendencies and you really have to see that he believes he has sexual rights over your body.

JacquettaWoodville · 22/08/2016 09:10

I'm glad you know your body belongs to you.

Given he's annoyed that your body is bleeding in a way that's inconvenient to him, do you think he knows who it belongs to?

Trifleorbust · 22/08/2016 09:16

I feel that you know in theory that you have an absolute right over your body and to say yes or no to sex and to be heard about that, but the emotions he is provoking in you are very different to that. You feel grateful for his sexual advances, even when you don't want them (suggesting you think he is doing you some sort of favour). You feel guilty about not meeting his imaginary needs. Most worrying, you comply with his demands despite your own feelings of degradation, feelings that should act as an instant brake on whatever you are doing.

I am going to suggest you see a counsellor to discuss your emotional responses to his bullying behaviour. And yes, LTB.

toptoe · 22/08/2016 09:16

Being abused doesn't always make you frightened in the sense that you would be if someone jumped you (though that does happen). ime it is a degredation of the soul. It's the question of whether you are a good person, and often he will guide you to thinking you are shit.

Bottom line is he degrades you and does not care about how you feel so he can use you when he wants and for his benefit.

Being abused is bloody confusing because in your efforts to keep him happy you feel like you are partly if not totally to blame and he is blameless or has reasons that usually mean you're being unreasonable. So you don't feel like you're being punched in the face and getting a broken nose. Rather that you are slowly being eroded as a person into someone who you don't want to be or recognise, based on his idea of who you are and what you should be.

It's because there is a fundamental problem: you have empathy, he does not. That means you assume he feels pain when you get hurt, and don't underestand why he can't see you're upset - he must be right, it must be that you shouldn't actually be upset. Whilst he cannot feel your pain and so when you get upset when he hurts you, he says 'why are you upset?' because he quite literally cannot feel or fathom that you feel pain. Only he has feelings.

So, when he wants his quickie before work, you have learnt that to resist is pointless - he'll either get shitty quickly or batter you emotionally by ignoring you or badgering you for the next day or so. He knows you have said no, but your feelings do not matter to him. He doesn't care one way or the other.

It's also confusing because sometimes it appears he does care- he may kiss you or cuddle you or give you a gift. But these gifts are given so that he gets something back. He isn't giving them to you purely so you feel good inside as he can't feel that. He is giving them to you so you are placated and happy, and that means you give something back to him which makes him happy. It is never unconditional.

AliceScarlett · 22/08/2016 09:17

I agree with the other posters, this is bigger than you realise. I'm finding this thread pretty horrifying.

scootinFun · 22/08/2016 09:25

I had an ex that used the 'you're so sexy, that's why I can't keep my hands off you' - surprise, surprise, it had less to do with my sexiness and far more to do with his desire to have a shag. When I wasn't keen we had the cajoling, then the sulking, then the threats to find someone else to sort his needs since I wasn't doing it. To which I wished him luck and sodded off.

erinaceus · 22/08/2016 09:28

Sending Flowers FindingSmeagol

Please let MN know what MN can do to support you here.

clam · 22/08/2016 09:40

I don't think I'd be letting this weasel anywhere near me ever again.

Another one feeling nauseous at the very thought of his "pestering." PLEASE don't go along with this BJ later. Make a start in stepping away, without being made to feel guilty about it.

Stormtreader · 22/08/2016 09:41

Trying to imagine this the other way around should show you how uneven this is:
"When I need a quick one before work, I wake him up by sitting on his face and make him give me oral before I go, he doesnt like it but I need it and as his wife I'm entitled to it whenever I need it. Sometimes I do think about his needs in bed as well if its "a romantic one" and I can be bothered, so I'm a great partner in bed."

Trifleorbust · 22/08/2016 09:45

You need to set yourself some new ground rules, OP, for your own protection and whether you leave him or not.

  1. I will only engage in sexual acts that I want at the time
  2. I will treat any nagging, cajoling or emotional blackmail with the contempt and anger it deserves

Your mental health is what is important here, not this horrible little excuse for a man.

dowhatnow · 22/08/2016 09:46

Ok let's be charitable and treat this as a viscous cycle that you have both fallen into over the years. Let's say that he doesn't realise how disrespectful he is being because you always give in, therefore he thinks you can't object too much and in your own words you do enjoy it or you try to get into it - being even more generous, he even stops if it is obvious you can't get into it. So let's treat this as a communication problem. He doesn't realise that it is such a problem for you and doesn't realise how much of a sex pest he is being.

How to move forward
You need to let go of the guilt. This thread has shown you that he is not entitled to pressurise you and make you feel guilty. Now you can say no without worrying about the consequences. You spell it out to him how it makes you feel and tell him that from now on you will only do it when you genuinely want to and that any nagging or pressure from h im will make him seem less attractive with the obvious natural consequence of there being even less sex. Then you face what happens next. If this works then you are right to believe this isn't an abusive situation. I suspect this won't go down well though. It doesn't feel abusive because he hasn't needed to ramp it up too much because you have toed the line so far. When you resist his attempts to control you, and get rid of the guilt in doing so, then he will show his true colours. Things will become much clearer once you stand up to him.

Counselling on your own will help you see why you allow him to control you in this way and why you feel guilty if you respect your self and your body and say no. Why are his feelings and needs more important than yours?

It only feels it's not abusive because you don't resist his attempts to control you.

QuintessentialShadow · 22/08/2016 09:52

What happens if you say no? If you simply dont negotiate another time to obey his sexual "needs".

Are you scared of the consequences?

Trifleorbust · 22/08/2016 09:54

Ooh I forgot rule 3 (very important rule!):

  1. There is no bank account for sex, so you cannot 'owe' anyone sex. Ever. Not even when you have previously declined sex.
JudyCoolibar · 22/08/2016 09:54

I have told him how it makes me feel but that just goes full circle back to his feelings being hurt and me feeling guilty.

But why do you feel that his feelings are more important than yours? And are you sure it really is his feelings being hurt as opposed to him just being sulky because he can't get the quick shag he wanted?

NigellasGuest · 22/08/2016 09:54

I can't look at it as abuse. That's just to horrendous to contemplate. I'm going through big life changes for the better in another problem area of my life and I don't want anything to knock me off course.

OP I think you do need to contemplate the whole picture. You might have a bit of denial going on. I hope you can find a positive way forward for you and the DCs.

BitOutOfPractice · 22/08/2016 09:56

Oh god OP I feel sick reading your posts. And I suspect you feel sick reading everyone else's.

This relationship is horrendously abusive. He is sexually abusing you. You need to leave. You need to feel no guilt at all for his vile actions.

I know that's horrible to read but I hope that when this all sinks in, you can take action to protect yourself.

The question AF asked is the one you need to keep asking yourself: is this kind of sexually abusive behaviour something you want at the heart of your family life, let alone, your own life

FindingSmeagol · 22/08/2016 09:57

So, everyone thinks it's abuse? If that's the case this is a lot bigger than I thought.

I know no one needs Sex but it is put to me that way. I haven't talked to anyone before about it because, who would? It's embarrassing.

Ill refuse to give him head later and go from there.

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