I'm starting to hate men

[Mamaka]

I've noticed recently that I've become more and more anti men - I think since having my first child. So many factors that I could mention and probably many deep rooted issues contributing to this but the long and short of it is why do women have to suffer and sacrifice at every turn?!

I don't really want to feel like this. I have a son who I want to bring up/am bringing up to be a feminist but I'm worried about how my hateful feelings towards men are going to rub off on my dc.

I suppose I am asking if there is a way I can combat these feelings and start to feel more positively towards them.

I'm interested to see how anyone attempts to defend such hideous bigotry. Although I suspect the magic word 'patriarchy!' will be invoked at some point :)

dad I never said I blamed men. I said I was wary of them and had learnt trusting them was a bad idea. Same way I feel about bees. I have altered my behaviour so as not to get stung, as you suggested.

The thread is actually demonster ting really well why women could grow to hate/be wary of/or other negative emotion towards men. Because all you are showing is you don't listen or try to understand, you just NAMALT and then "well it's your fault anyway, you bigoted feminist"
Don't know why I'm even bothering though

It already has been invoked. But it isn't magical. It is a reality.

And if we lived in an equal society then maybe you'd have a point about 'hideous bigotry'. But we don't, however much you want to imagine we do.

Pointing out the inequality, how it benefits half the population and how that can make the other half of the population feel is not bigotry. It is about those who are oppressed being allowed to talk about how that makes them feel. Which is what the OP was trying to do.

Sorry that was to Twibble.

Interesting to see Twibble who only ever seems to appear every 18 months or so and then just to tell feminists they're wrong.

So, is that the only reason you visit, Twibble or do you name change especially to have a go at feminists?

Oh that's interesting!

Well you've got a man on your side, Twibble. So here are your cookies .

Lilac - so rather than answer my points, you mine my commenting history hoping you can ad-hom me?

Really classy.

At least scallops had a legitimate try at trying to justify the blatant bigotry on this thread.

Oh stop saying bigotry.

If your whole agenda on a female-led website is to tell the members, time and again, that they're wrong about everything, then no, I couldn't give a shit about your 'arguments', which can be summed up as 'you're women, I don't like you, I will argue with you for eternity'.

Why don't you go and pull your MRA bullshit elsewhere. We all see through it and it's tiresome.

Funny, I thought I was agreeing with at least 50% of the women on this thread. You know - the non-hateful ones.

Let me know which women I need to agree with and which I need to argue with, otherwise it all gets a bit confusing. Cheers.

I think, ironically, those reversed sentiments are helpful, in that it's made painfully obvious that neither women nor men say such stuff because it jars so much.

But the stuff we are saying? It's said the world over, by women who are absolutely aware and fed up of not being considered as good as men.

Why is the fact that WE HAVE GOOD REASON for our thoughts and feelings due to our lifetimes of lived experiences not respected? If men and women were truly equal, and had been for centuries, then yeah, taking against 50% of the population would be questionable. But they are not, and have not been equal, and these discussions and feelings arise because of this.

If you don't want to be challenged, moderate your views. There are a lot of very unimpressive bigoted views being spouted on this thread.

Does sexism exist? Yes. Can you extrapolate some of the outrageously prejudiced conclusions stated on this thread, the title itself notwithstanding? Absolutely not.

What you are doing is the definition of sexism. Deny it if you like. But that's exactly what it is.

I don't approve of sexism. Not from you. Not from anyone. But I call it out when I see it. I don't prejudge billions of people based on their balls.

I'm not justifying any bigotry Twibble. There isn't any bigotry to justify.

Well bully for you.

The Op didn't ask to be challenged, she asked for help.

Most posters 'got' where she's coming from, and who knows how this might have developed and what good advice might have been given. Except you, Dilberry, decided to come on here, tell the op incorrectly, that what she said was bigoted, prejudiced and sexist, and proceeded to shout down anyone who tried to point out that there was a whole load of subtlety and nuance going right over your head.

If you haven't got the ability to process this thread, that's ok, we are all differently abled after all. I think we got your point of view now.

I would quite like to get back to the original discussion. Hope you're still reading Mamaka.

Some of the statements made during this thread are genuinely shocking.

I've shouted you down?

How should you suggest I approach the matter of disagreement with someone, if my method is classed as so aggressive?

Women are right to be wary of men. If we're going to be murdered, raped, beaten up or abused, the perpetrator will most likely be male.
The same goes for children and Men.

Perhaps read what they've said properly?

So that you can disagree with what they've actually said, rather than what you 'think' they've said.

You've created so many straw men today you could fill a field. Still doesn't make any of them have a thing to do with the OP.

'Women are right to be wary of men.'

And statements like this....?

Please not the straw man again. Anything but that!

Well done Dilberry for derailing the thread; shouting down women; being aggressive, bullying and arrogant and deliberately refusing to acknowledge or understand what the thread is about. Give yourself a pat on the back.