I'm starting to hate men

[Mamaka]

I've noticed recently that I've become more and more anti men - I think since having my first child. So many factors that I could mention and probably many deep rooted issues contributing to this but the long and short of it is why do women have to suffer and sacrifice at every turn?!

I don't really want to feel like this. I have a son who I want to bring up/am bringing up to be a feminist but I'm worried about how my hateful feelings towards men are going to rub off on my dc.

I suppose I am asking if there is a way I can combat these feelings and start to feel more positively towards them.

Hey, my kids had the iPad earlier - no judging!

But none of the things you've listed make it ok to go on a thread about hating men to express agreement.

And seriously, what is the difference between I'm starting to hate men and I do hate them already?

Thanks, Twibble

I really do hope that others know that it is not me with the extreme viewpoint.

Feminists who fucking hate men are the worst kind of feminists IMO.

Dilberry

The difference is clear - the OP is hardly glorying in her feelings and she'd like to find a way to change them.

Surely you can see a difference between, say, "I'm starting to hate my MIL" and a request for help in dealing with this so it doesn't affect the kids and a straight "I hate my MIL"

Feminists don't hate men.

Some people who call themselves feminists hate men. They aren't feminists.

To be a feminist means to want things to be better for women AND men.

THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT HATING MEN!

Why is a thread about not hating men called 'I'm starting to hate men'?

Because, while I appreciate that you are trying to defend your position, you really are fighting against the facts with respect to the context of the thread.

Dilberry, I don't think anyone on here would not respect you for having a different opinion on the ideas being discussed on this thread.

I think the problem is that your posts imply that you haven't understood the ideas being discussed on this thread.

The more you go on about how we clearly all hate men, the more we think you haven't comprehended what the thread is about.

An OP that goes 'I'm beginning to hate all men, help!' does not equal 'I hate all men'.

It's perfectly possible to love men and hate the society we grow up in.

I blame the education system!

And the media!

And the demise of critical thinking!

NotQuite absolutely.

I agree, pallasathena, critical thinking is paramount.

The OP was expressly clear. You can't rewrite it.

Here is the OP, which CLEARLY says she doesn't want to feel this way. I think it's you attempting to rewrite it, frankly.

"I've noticed recently that I've become more and more anti men - I think since having my first child. So many factors that I could mention and probably many deep rooted issues contributing to this but the long and short of it is why do women have to suffer and sacrifice at every turn?!

I don't really want to feel like this. I have a son who I want to bring up/am bringing up to be a feminist but I'm worried about how my hateful feelings towards men are going to rub off on my dc.

I suppose I am asking if there is a way I can combat these feelings and start to feel more positively towards them."

I'm sure you did see some sexism once. That doesn't excuse any other behaviour you choose it to.

I don't 'not understand'. I don't agree. Big difference.

I'm starting to hate all women because I've met some that are patronising. How can I accept that all women are not like this?

Dilberry, you are wilfully not reading the OP's actual words.

I'm done. Ta ra.

No, I've just read the entire thread and don't agree that the subject is not hatred for men. Because that's the subject of the thread and the topic of discussion.

I know it would be really convenient for your argument if it wasn't about that. But it is.

The op was clear. She doesn't need to rewrite it.

You can clearly read it. But apparently can't understand it. Is your reading comprehension age somewhere around age 6?

I'm not insulting other people, but you aren't the first to insult me.

It doesn't make you look very good when you have to stoop to insulting others because they don't agree with you.

You aren't 'not agreeing'. Nothing you have said indicates you understand the discussion, therefore any agreement or otherwise you may have is meaningless.

And I'm sorry if you feel my judgement of your reading comprehension age is insulting, however, as you have demonstrated your inability to understand the words that have been written above, I stand by my point.

Also, you are insulting people when you wilfully misunderstand them and accuse them of saying things they haven't.

No, I'm not insulting people by disagreeing with them. What a ridiculous argument.

I am amazed that you aren't criticising the OP. It's shocking that you think you can use language like this and then accuse other people of being stupid because they don't understand when you talk about hating men that actually you don't mean that at all, in spite of giving repeated examples, reiterating and reinforcing the OP, rewriting the bit that make you look bad, and continuing to justify what was actually an incredibly offensive and inflammatory post.

I still can't actually work out whether Dilberry doesn't understand or is attempting to derail the thread.

The bottom line is, everyone else knows exactly what everyone else is saying so I suggest we either return to discussing what we were talking about before and ignore him/her, or we just leave the thread and let it die.

Their very last post shows a complete lack of understanding of either the explicit or implicit meaning of the words they are reading in front of them.