I'm starting to hate men

[Mamaka]

I've noticed recently that I've become more and more anti men - I think since having my first child. So many factors that I could mention and probably many deep rooted issues contributing to this but the long and short of it is why do women have to suffer and sacrifice at every turn?!

I don't really want to feel like this. I have a son who I want to bring up/am bringing up to be a feminist but I'm worried about how my hateful feelings towards men are going to rub off on my dc.

I suppose I am asking if there is a way I can combat these feelings and start to feel more positively towards them.

I'm with you in spirit Dilberry this sort of crap is why I will never be a feminist.

I'm with you in spirit Dilberry this sort of crap is why I will never be a feminist.

I respectfully disagree. I too have very little experience of the sort of thing the OP is talking about, but enough people do and the data is clear enough that most perpetrators of violence and abuse are men, that I have to question how I would feel in the OPs situation. People are usually excruciatingly careful to say NAMALT, but when discussing a clear gender bias in violence and abuse, obviously some people will have very different experiences than others.

Criticising or dismissing each others experiences or their personal reactions doesn't help address the statistical gender bias.

I wouldn't worry. Your post is entirely irrelevant.

OP was responding to a post that could be understood to say that those factors were the "whole" picture. (As I already explained????)

In which case the one or two experiences outlined made a valid point.

I have great admiration for those who took lots of time trying to have a reasonable discussion instead of telling those derailing the thread to fuck off.

I don't think men are special. I don't think women are either. I see us as genuinely equal.

That means equal opportunities to succeed or to fail. That's why I find this sort of thing very bizarre and concerning. Of course some men are bad people. But some people are bad people...

I also find this recent stuff about Theresa May and Nicola Sturgeon patronising. The look girls, you can be prime minister too, crap. Like, yeah thanks, I didn't see being a woman as a disability, but cheers.

I don't see being either a man or a woman as a boon or a curse. Surely that's what the aim of feminism should be? Not this, this, this grumpiness!

Myownperson - there have also been a couple of useful reading suggestions on the other thread and I think somewhere on this one too. Reading and educating myself about the reality of why and how feminism came about, what it's trying to achieve and how far it's come is hopefully going to be more helpful than listening to the indignant men and their loyal defenders on here.

I know. I've been on MN for years. I've seen similar.

No one has been called a handmaiden on this thread though, which is nice.

Yes, I will 'loyally defend' people. Don't attack them. How about that?

I'll have a look Mamaka thanks. Id like to do some reading. Discussions like this, and my life in general have made me think that i need to educate myself. I too posted in feminist chat yesterday. I normally feel way out of my depth (and I still was really) but I didnt feel stupid and got a new perspective on some things.
(I'm being radicalised by the indignant men! .)

Glad you've got useful things from your posts.

(I'm being radicalised by the indignant men!)
Was of course a joke. There would needed to have been a far more coherent discussion for that.

Insults are the last bastion of the incorrect.

Sometimes true but sometimes just a result of frustration.

It is frustrating. There seems to be no middle ground.

Thank you dilberry and crew for propelling me even faster towards educating myself about feminism, sexism and how brainwashed people can be!

Two.

About 270 posts ago the Op explained this -

No she doesn't actually hate men per se

She hates the type of toxic masculinity that is prevalent in our culture .

This has been debated and explained for 270 posts. Yet some people ( who appear to have RTFT) are still saying

" this thread is about hatred towards men " .

So I conclude that these people are either hard of thinking or their world view ( men are oppressed by Evil feminists ) doesn't allow them to understand the nuances of the discussion .

Or they are goady fuckers .

" stoking the fires of hatred "

Thank you for making my point for me