I'm starting to hate men

[Mamaka]

I've noticed recently that I've become more and more anti men - I think since having my first child. So many factors that I could mention and probably many deep rooted issues contributing to this but the long and short of it is why do women have to suffer and sacrifice at every turn?!

I don't really want to feel like this. I have a son who I want to bring up/am bringing up to be a feminist but I'm worried about how my hateful feelings towards men are going to rub off on my dc.

I suppose I am asking if there is a way I can combat these feelings and start to feel more positively towards them.

Ahhhhh.

So now me saying that alcohol makes DV worse, but doesn't create it, is put as me being in complete denial that alcohol is a factor!!

You do not appear to have the intellectual or comprehension skills needed for this discussion.

All those studies quoted are very old, and are not about causes. Yes, alcohol and lack of money add additional stresses to ALL relationships and will increase disagreements but they do not create abuse or violence. They will just exaggerate it in a person who already has a propensity for it. Removing alcohol and raising socioeconomic status removes stressors, but will not make an abusive person stop being abusive.

What is it about the ideas on this thread that frighten you so much? (If you can get past your ridiculous stance that this thread is only about how to hate men, for a second)

Indeed, I'm not in the least anti-feminist. I am not brainwashed. My feelings on this subject do not infer anything whatsoever about women's rights. It's not like there are only so many rights to go around so we have to ration them, so by suggesting that men have the right not to be treated with derision and prejudice, I'm taking away that right from women.

Who said that men are treated with derision and prejudice?

Some women, with VERY good reason, are cautious around men.

I have met women who are unpleasant and men who are unpleasant. However, I have overwhelmingly met a higher percentage of unpleasant men. I have also met many 'decent' blokes who have blind spots that impact on women's lives, however unintentionally. The percentage of men I have met who don't fall into these two categories is relatively small. I am therefore wary of getting to know 'new' men.

I hate the systems that lead to men unwittingly impacting negatively on the women in their lives. I don't hate the men.

More insults. Just makes you look like you struggle to express yourself!

'You do not appear to have the intellectual or comprehension skills needed for this discussion'

In response to this.

'Who said that men are treated with derision and prejudice?

Some women, with VERY good reason, are cautious around men.'

I shouldn't need to explain this, but I will:

Who said that black people are treated with derision and prejudice?

Some white people, with VERY good reason, are cautious around black people.

The second paragraph with amendments is racist. The first paragraph, your own, is sexist.

It depends whether you are talking about alcohol and money as causes, or exacerbators.

What's your view on that? It's not clear.

No it isn't.

They are not comparable. This is a straw man!

Please tell me you've googled what a straw man is!!

It's totally indefensible. Don't hide behind nonsense deflection arguments.

The person using nonsense deflection arguments is yourself. That is what a straw man is.

There is no direct correlation between racism and sexism. They intersect, but you cannot use racism and sexism as you tried to do.

There doesn't need to be a relationship. What on earth do you mean?

Why didn't you just answer the question?

So you still won't answer my question? Why?

If you are a person who has been repeatedly harmed by a number of different black people you are likely to be cautious around black people.

If you are a person who has been repeatedly harmed by a number of different men you are likely to be cautious around men.

It is not racist, or sexist, if you have had experiences which lead you to feel a rational caution, if life has taught you to be wary.

Prejudice, bigotry, racism, sexism arise from ignorance. Fear and anger which has not come from experience but has been learnt, as one grows, from society. That, to me, is unacceptable.

Lastly, racism and sexism can't be compared directly because individual people don't exist without both men and women, it's virtually impossible to grow up without dealing with both, however a vast number of people live and die without really having anything to do with a person of another race.

Voyage, the one consistent factor is the presence of an abuser in the relationship.

'however a vast number of people live and die without really having anything to do with a person of another race.'

We, that's simply untrue for a start.

Do you think it is even possible for a woman to be sexist against a man? What do you think it would look like, if there are, as you claim, zero examples on this thread?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-lincolnshire-36826276

Man kills two female relatives and then himself in a public swimming pool.

One person in authority said that for a while they thought a lone mad gunman was running about.

Someone else, an owner of a local pub, said that thank goodness the killings were contained.

Just two women murdered, nothing to see here people move along now.

This is why I agree with the OP and others including Soapbox.

Well that's a bit grasping at straws isn't it?

If someone has a diagnosed mental health condition then that's what they've got, an illness. Which makes them a separate sample.

And what percentage of all DV cases fall under this category, if you were even to let them count as true DV? It's going to be statistically irrelevant.

Why does it need to be more complicated? DV occurs because one person is happy to abuse another, whether deliberately or not. No other factor needs to be present.

Dilberry it's pointless going on talking to someone who is so ill-informed.

There are over 7 billion people on this planet. What percentage live in westernised multicultural societies, and what percentage live as, say rural Chinese poor farming communities in the back end of nowhere?

It is very easy on this planet to live and die knowing only your own race.

Do is it only us westernised multiculturalers who count?

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