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Really love my wife but... sex and lack thereof!

154 replies

frustratedman · 23/01/2007 20:13

OK ladies - really need your help here.

Been with my wife for a decade, married two years ago, two children under 5 and essentially very happy with our lives together. problem... yep, its sex and lack thereof!

My wife has made it absolutely clear that she doesn't like sex, she just doesn't get the urge - she'd absolutely rather go to sleep, or sit on the sofa reading mumsnet (Hello wife!). We were 16 and 17 when we met and things, as with most teenagers, were fantastic. The last 6 years or so have been a sex non-event. I've always felt as though it would surely sort its self out but alas I?ve learnt that if it goes of 'my radar', my wife really doesn't care and doesn't make any kind of effort whatsoever!

I do fully understand how the dynamics change when you have children, also well aware of the monotony of everyday life. I do my best to involve myself and help out where I can.

I'm finding it very hard to accept that zero sex is right. It feels very very wrong to me; I'm a male in my late 20's and have very little sex. It?s MAYBE once or twice a month and always instigated by me. The more time that passes by the more angry I feel and this spill over into other areas of my life were I feel quite lot of resentment about it. My wife and I have spoken about it to death and as a man in my late 20 can't accept a sexless relationship.

It feels quite tragic to me; we love each other very much and are a close family unit. I feel as though (and have explained) that this is like a time bomb that will eventually ruin our marriage. I have been out with my male friends on nights out and been propositioned by women, I desperately don't want to be dishonest to my wife (and don't intend to) but it?s becoming increasingly tempting.

I've always prided myself on being absolutely honest with my wife and have spoken in length and tried many things ? we go round in circles and it?s become a long-term stand off.

I'm really interested to read any comments, ideas, and suggestions on what can be done to sort this out once and for all.

Help...!

OP posts:
madamez · 23/01/2007 23:41

Well, you know, just because people have always restricted sex (or, more accurately, people with power have always done their best to restrict everybody else's sexual activity) doesn't mean that it has to be that way for ever. Lots of things that were done for centuries are not done any more because enough people have found them unproductive/unethical, whether it's slavery or total absence of hygiene.
Appreciate that for some people, monogamy genuinely is important, but given the misery it seems to cause wonder why people can't at least consider mvoing away from it when the situation isn't working.
Given that, after all, quite a lot of people do manage to relate to each other happily without insisitng on sexual esclusivity...

lazyanna · 24/01/2007 00:14

Oh, you all drive me mad - sex is just horrid, it's something we do to make men shut up for a while, and eventuallly we all grow up enough to say "let's not do this any more"

mears · 24/01/2007 01:25

frustratedman - what you need to do more often is kiss and cuddle your wife and promise her that she does not need to then have sex. I rememebr this stage very well and my DH felt rejected because I didn't want sex. I was too bloody knackered after looking after the children all day. Once he realised I was not rejecting him (after a lot of discussion), he stopped pressurising me. Then we agreed to kiss and cuddle and nothing else. Gradually I would then take the lead which resulted in sex. we now have a really good sex life again but my youngets is 13 yrs old. Be patient

ps twice a month is bloody good going

SturdyAngel · 24/01/2007 07:53

Lazyanna. I think thats really sad.

There are plenty of ways to shut my man up for a while- sex isn't one of them. I hope we never get to the point where we decide not to bother any more.

I look forward to going to bed at the end of the day and being with my DH. I look forward to handing the kids over to my mum for a few hours on the weekend then rushing straight home to bed.

Sex is not horrid.

Wordsmith · 24/01/2007 09:41

madamez, I don't think that's the answer for frustratedman. he doesn't want sex - he wants sex with his wife. I'm sure your suggestion would work for some but most loving partners don't want meaningless sex, they want sex that means something.

Jimjams2's friends comments about wanting space after being needed all day by kids is spot on. The most romantic and lovely thing DH has done for me recently was buy me a pampering day at a spa, and he stayed at home and looked after the kids.

nogoes · 24/01/2007 09:52

How does she feel about herself in terms of appearance since having children? I find it really difficult to feel "sexy" if I am not 95% happy with the way I look.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 24/01/2007 09:56

I have the same conversations with my DH. He always wonders why I'm not interested nor enjoy it anymore. I always tell him to take me away from it all so I can switch off from the kids. He has yet to do this so sex isn't something that happens very often and the ground doesn't shake when it does

trice · 24/01/2007 09:57

I used to be quite passionate and up for it. Then we had a child. Having pre school children is not at all good for the libido. You are going to be married for 60 years. Wait until the children are at school before you decide your wife is a sexless being .

A day at the spa can be quite helpful in making a mum feel less like a mummy and more like a goddess.

bootsmonkey · 24/01/2007 10:07

Couple of things - I too think that twice a month is pretty good going with 2 kids under 5!! And those first 3-4 years do slow things down tremendously. My DD is 4.5 and our sex life is only just getting back on track. THe tiredness, the drudgery of life, all get in the way. Also, valid points re: exercise and getting active again. I would also ask what contraception your wife is on as the Mirena/fake hormones killed my libido STONE dead!! It was nice to see it coming back to life once I changed to the non-hormonal coil. It was also hard getting back into the swing of things, but in time it becomes a natural part of your life again, and I agree that sexual intamacy leads to a closer relationship all round.

Personally I think man & woman will always be out of synch to a point, because a woman has a hormonal cycle that swings her up and down without any control. When I am ovulating I am completely up for it. Other times I'm not particulary bothered, so DH usually gets one shag happy week out of four...

lazyanna · 24/01/2007 10:35

But if you don't like it, if it's not pleasant, just going on holiday isn't going to make you like it, and why should I feel that I have to like it? Why should anyone feel that they have to have sex?

anorak · 24/01/2007 10:36

lazyanna, what you describe is not normal, so you can't expect to advise others to accept such a situation. I feel sorry for you, there are obviously deeper issues in your relationship that are manifesting themselves in your sex life.

frustratedman. You sound like a lovely husband and of course you should not be expected to go without sex. None of us married our husbands in order not to have sex with them. Of course when you have children under five things are very different. Your wife is tired. She feels like a machine, catering to other human beings' demands all day, and sometimes at night too. Your wanting sex can feel like yet another demand on her poor tired body and her drained emotions. Please don't take it personally. Don't give up. Carry on being devoted, romantic and loving. As your children grow the demands on her as a mother will diminish and she will have more time and energy to devote to being a wife and lover again.

I am just an ordinary 45 year old woman and I find life very tiring. My youngest child is 6. But my husband really does make me feel like a goddess. He has always treated me as if I were far too good for him, he is kind, patient, ever willing to understand. He has sometimes had to wait and wait for sex. Sometimes I really don't feel up to it, for weeks at a time, especially if I have other strong physical and emotional demands on me.

But I have learned that sometimes if I go ahead and do what he wants, even if I don't feel like it, he appreciates it a whole lot, and he never pressures me because he knows there is more to come. We have also learned that I feel more sexy at certain times in my cycle, and we both try to make sure we use those times.

After several years together and small children in the picture, your sex life doesn't take care of itself. It's all part of the ups and downs of being married. It takes effort from both sides to keep it alive and keep it so good that you both know there is nothing to be gained elsewhere.

You need intimacy, intimacy, intimacy. Talk about when you met, about your wedding, about all the romantic things. Remind each other what attracted you to one another in the first place. Plan your life together, go into detail, it makes you feel very secure in your partner's love.

If ever there is danger of an affair in a marriage it is now when there are children under 5 to care for. Be aware of the temptation and do not lose everything by falling for this cheap thrill. Take those feelings and urges and use them all to woo your wife, no one else. Don't give her the burden of worrying about stopping you from having an affair, because if you do she won't know if she's having sex with you to prevent this or because she loves you, and that would be an awful turn-off.

You need to remain patient while your children are small, and your wife needs to go the extra mile to try and please you as well. It sounds as though she is doing that.

We married our partners to love and fulfil them, to be there for them, and to have a relationship that is whole with them - to be their everything. Things may slow down when the children are small but with love and effort from both partners you can keep the fire stoked until the children are older and you re-discover yourself out of the saturation of early parenthood.

noddyholder · 24/01/2007 10:39

Lazyanna what you are describing isn't the usual 'can't be bothered I'm knackered'but something psychological and a lot deeper.If you are a mother then you obviously have had sex so what has changed?It is awfully insulting to say that it is something to do to keep men quiet You need some sort of help to see how wonderful and fulfilling it can be even if you only do it once a year!

tiredemma · 24/01/2007 10:43

Dp would be devastated if he felt that i was only 'putting up to shut him up'- thats awful.

I love my dp and im chuffed to bits that he still finds me attractive ( 2 stone later).

handlemecarefully · 24/01/2007 10:51

I'm with lazyanna. It isn't 'sad' that some people don't like sex, and nor does it necessarily mean that a person who doesn't particularly care for sex is 'missing out' or has issues. It's rather patronising to suggest this.

It's just a preference thing - some people don't enjoy coffee!

oliveoil · 24/01/2007 10:53

do you know, it never ceases to amaze me how people discuss their sex lives on here

handlemecarefully · 24/01/2007 10:54

Well as long as you don't go to meetups and nobody on here knows you - where's the harm oo?

SturdyAngel · 24/01/2007 11:04

Handlemecarefully, I didn't mean to suggest that its "sad" she didn't like sex and that everyone had to enjoy sex.

I just think the statement that "eventuallly we all grow up enough to say "let's not do this any more" is wrong.

Sex is part of what makes a relationship. If you don't enjoy sex then thats fine but to say that its something we have to do- that is sad. I do not have to do anything I don't want to. I would feel that there was no future for my relationship if my DH did not want me in that way- but thats just me.

handlemecarefully · 24/01/2007 11:07

I see what you are getting at SturdyAngel....

VeniVidiVickiQV · 24/01/2007 11:39

I disagree.

Sex can and should be enjoyable. It's such a base instinct, with base physical responses, combined with a great deal of emotional responses. If you dont like it, then, I honestly believe that you are missing out. Even if its the case that you dont know what you are missing.

To me, its the same as saying you dont like laughing and you arent tickle-ish.

lazyemma · 24/01/2007 11:52

I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with not liking sex at all. The only problems arise when you're in a relationship with someone who feels differently about it than you do.

youngmumoftwo · 24/01/2007 12:13

Thanks for all the posts here, it certainly gives my responses to DH some backing.
Its true that after a day spent at home with 2 boys under 5 I feel like I have given all the emotion and caring I can. As soon as the two boys are in bed, I think "Phew, off duty for now!" and I just want to settle on the sofa and then crash into my lovely bed in my pjs. Sex is the last thing on my mind, unless DH brings it up, and then its and hour discussion at 11pm as to why I dont want it. I just feel that I have given all my affection all day (inc. DH..his washing, cooking his dinner, clearing up after him etc, he works from home so we are together 24/7) and I just want to stop and just exist by falling asleep!
I agree that we are in this for the long hall. I met DH when I was 17, he was the first guy I slept with. We managed to stay together when I first went off to uni, we did split up with each other in the 2nd year as I had a fling with another guy. We got back together again after 6 mths apart and then I fell pregnant in my final year. I have gone straight from being carefree at uni, to being a SAHM with 2 kids. I have never really worked (apart from 6 mths full time and that was really bad and resulted in my having a miscarriage). So after all this, I think we need to remember that there is many many years ahead for us to be us and not parents. WHat is important at the moment is that we get our kids started off, and then soon I can take a step back and concentrate on me and my DH. I am currently looking into what I can do in spet 2009 when the youngest starts school, and DH has said he is happy to pay for me to train or do FE. He is worried that if I dont, in 10 years time I will be fed up that all I did was give up uni and never had a life of my own.
Anyway, just had a long waffle, and will go now so that DH can read this upstairs in his office!!

OrmIrian · 24/01/2007 12:49

precisely lazyemma. Abstinence is not weird or freaky. But it can be a problem in a relationship that was a sexual one where both parties don't feel that things have changed.

These days for me sex is mainly a pita - and no I'm not doing it wrong . It's enjoyable when it happens but not enough to make me want it more often. An analogy I like is that I enjoy long walks - 10 or 12 miles - I enjoy being out in the fresh air, the views, the solitude etc etc. My DH isn't so keen - if he does come along with me he is quite willing to accept that yes, the views are lovely and it's nice to be out in the fresh air but given the choice he'd rather not bother - the effort isn't worth it. Now that is how I feel about sex. I hope and expect that things will change once the kids are older and we have more time/energy to ourselves. But meantime any number of nights out/special evenings in/whatever isn't going to change my feelings. We compromise and keep each other reasonable happy - what else can we do?

madamez · 24/01/2007 13:06

Nothing at all wrong with abstinence. Some people simply arent' interested in sex. Of course, sometimes what's going on is that a person's sexual desires are very specific and don't actually involve sexual intercourse at all (While I'm happy to discuss the entire range of fetishes and sexual diversities available, I'll kind of leave it till someone else wants to join in that type of discussion) - and those desires are not being met because the person feels embarrassed about them.

What I would say to the poster who doesn't want to have sex at all is: if you have a partner who does want sex, then you really should consider giving him/her permission to go get it elsewhere. That way everyone's happy and no one's suffering.

Caligula · 24/01/2007 13:11

madamez that is just silly.

It ignores the emotional content of sex and pretends it's just another one of a range of leisure activities, like tennis or opera or belly-dancing.

It isn't. Not for the people having it, nor for the person left behind wondering if their spouse is getting more than just an orgasm out of their search for sex elsewhere.

To say nothing of the possibility of a pregnancy resulting from the meaningless shag.

noddyholder · 24/01/2007 13:13

madamez I agree with caligula you are reducing sex to some sort of activity with no mention of the connection between 2 people who love each other.If my dp didn't want sex with me i would find little comfort in getting it elsewhere