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FindingNewMo - Part V

412 replies

MoKoKo · 08/06/2016 12:21

Latest one...

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MoKoKo · 12/09/2016 11:43

We've just had an exchange: can you tell?

I've been telling him about some work that needs to be done in the house and that I'll send him the details once I've sorted it out. He is dictating to me to do the cheap DIY temporary alternative rather than just pay for what needs to be done. He's using an example of some similar work I did years ago in the house - without his consent - he says, so why can't I do it again. He has made countless decisions without my consent, even with my overt disapproval. So I need his consent, but he doesn't need mine. Yet he's suggesting or consenting for me to do the very same thing again that he didn't give me consent for before. Yep, really makes crystal clear sense, doesn't it?!

I've asked him, since he won't cooperate with me, what he would like to happen when he returns. He can't say nothing - I don't want anything to change. He has to come up with something.

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FinallyHere · 12/09/2016 13:31

Is your contact still holding out for mediation, or can you just cut to the chase now? Thinking of you.

Grumpyoldblonde · 12/09/2016 13:58

Hi Mo,
You are right he will have to come up with an answer. This is dragging on and on for you isn't it? Tell him to stop using words like 'consent' he not your fucking boss.
How was the summer hols for you and the children?

MoKoKo · 12/09/2016 14:33

I told him I'd send him the invoice for the work and he came back with any work I choose to have carried out without his consent is legally my responsibility and he'd inform the company of that should I have the invoice sent to him. He's nuts, isn't he?

I'll never see the money for this work. But hopefully it will pay off if it adds value (which it will, no question).

Hey grumpy. The summer was wonderful, thank you. We didn't do anything fancy but we had a great time. A few family get togethers, which were great and reinforced the support I have from them. And generally had fun doing stuff I wanted to do without any huffing and puffing from anyone else. And no arguments about directions or where to stop and for how long in the car!

I've stopped contacting the mediator. Once I know I his return date I will though. But more that likely he'll just turn up unannounced.

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mamas12 · 12/09/2016 16:40

Do you actually 'need' his cooperation though?
Can you start divorce proceeding s without his input
Just get your solicitor to speak to him phone or email or letter?
As I u der stand it if the work is essential to be done on house then as you are jointly responsible for it then you are jointly responsible for any debt on it so talk to your solicitor
Disengage fro. Him
Start acting and making decisions as a single person
Do not defer to him on any level apart from arrangement on him picking up and seeing the dcs
Start acting now as you want to be Free from him

MoKoKo · 12/09/2016 16:46

Mamas...we're not married. Wish we were, would be so much simpler with a process to follow. I'm trying to separate from a man who would probably be absolutely fine if I just said to him now sorry, ignore my silly behaviour for the past six months, I didn't mean it, let's stay together, and he'd simply carry on as if nothing ever happened. Life's pretty deluded over on Planet Prick.

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Memoires · 12/09/2016 22:33

Hi Mo! Can't believe he's still holding out like this. He is gobsmackingly arrogant.

Re this work. It'll add value to the house if you get it done properly, but you could trog on with a diy fix. So what's in it for you? If you keep the house, then getting it done properly would suit you better, I imagine, but what if you don't?

His stance is beautiful, and shows very well what you've been contending with for so long. Delightful example of unreasonableness; send it to the mediator.

Akire · 13/09/2016 18:35

Hi good to read update I lost the thread for while. Is mediation woman still letting him get away with thinking about if he's doing it or not? Guess next step is not until he's back.

tribpot · 13/09/2016 18:50

So what is the next step? Can you revisit the lawyer to ask how you force the separation 'without his consent' given he appears to have abandoned the family home?

MoKoKo · 13/09/2016 19:47

I wish he had just abandoned it, would be so much easier! But even though his return is dragging on, he will definitely return. Perhaps I should ask him to show me some correspondence about it as proof. I only have his word. As if he'll cooperate though...he must know this is leading up to something, he must be wondering what I have up my sleeve. Or maybe he still doesn't believe I have it in me. Seems though that he's not exactly begging his employers to return.

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MoKoKo · 13/09/2016 19:49

Memoires: I have to assess that. Getting quotes done this week. But I also want to do it just to show him...I can if I want. It's my house too, and I can make decisions too. Depends on the cost though ultimately.

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MoKoKo · 13/09/2016 19:57

Also, if he does return in the next few weeks, there's a possibility l'll have some family of my own around (possibly staying, or just nearby), and I'd quite like it if they did come face to face with him: what would his reaction be, what would happen? Would he blank them, be polite, engage with them? He's never had any interaction with anyone on 'my' side since this has happened and if I can persuade them to be here while he's here I think I will.

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NettleTea · 13/09/2016 20:33

in a really round about way - can you get a valuation without the work done. Get a quote for the work. Get a further valuation AFTER the work been done, and when its all divvied up, base the division on the 'pre-work' valuation as he was not prepared to contribute, so any added value has been added by you?

Clutterbugsmum · 13/09/2016 21:37

Personally I would do nothing to the house, as he keeps pointing out to you it's HIS HOUSE so it's HIS problem if when he comes back and needs to pay more to get things fixed then it's his fault.

MoKoKo · 14/09/2016 15:03

Unfortunately it's quite an essential piece of work - for safety reasons as well as for potentially/inevitably putting on the market. Which is even more flabbergasting why he's refusing to be part of it. It's not a cosmetic whim of mine at all. I should have brought it up months ago but had other fish to fry...

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Memoires · 15/09/2016 18:59

Well, from the pov of evidence of his unreasonableness that's even better. Refused to get work done which was making his children and wife live in a house which is unsafe.

Not good for you day to day though. Sad

He's ..... I can't think of words strong enough to express how I feel about the sorry excuse for a man. Leaving his wife and children to live in an unsafe home. Expecting his wife to just do a diy fix. Is his penis very small?

MoKoKo · 15/09/2016 23:10

Ok I suppose I could do the diy fix - which would be extra work for me, look crap and still not be the safest option. If he were living here though, it would have been sorted a long time ago (actually he was going to get it done properly before he left the first time but ran out of time and I never chased it up). Anyway, the point is, he wouldn't expect to live with this on a daily basis, so WHY do we have to? It's the usual story with him: one standard for him and another sub one for us. As long as he has everything he needs, then sod the rest of us, even his offspring. I wish I'd dealt with this sooner but I wasn't exactly in home improvement mode back then.

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Mix56 · 17/09/2016 10:25

Oh shit, more Fuckwittery. Can you say:
"This is something you were looking to get fixed, but ran out of time, It needs doing, & it is necessary upkeep of the building.
Are you deliberately being awkward as a means of power & manipulation ?
I can bodge it as last time, but it is necessary, & could be dangerous.
Is this the way you want your children to live whilst you live in comfort ?
You won't behave like an adult & deal with the slightest request rationally. this is why I am separating from you.

MoKoKo · 17/09/2016 22:08

I've sent a very similar response. However he's busy this weekend putting himself and his wellbeing and entertainment first, so I've not heard from him.
I'm feeling absolutely fine on that front, because I know I have a crystal clear conscience and have the moral upper hand in spades, but just feeling very sorry for myself on another level Sad Lonely, sad, feeling like I deserve so much more, wondering where my life has gone, wanting a new relationship. I keep myself busy but bloody hell all I want is just someone to hang with on the sofa and comment on crap tv whilst drinking cheap wine. I don't want much, honestly.
Happy Saturday all Confused

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AyeAmarok · 17/09/2016 23:35

Hi Mo. I lost your thread, glad to have found you again. Sorry this is still dragging on for you and leaving you in limbo. That's the worst thing, you're stuck waiting for him to do something, which I suspect he's putting off for as long as possible in order to keep you feeling like you can't make any decisions about your life.

How sure are you that he'll ever come back? IIRC, he did threaten you that he wouldn't have to pay any child maintenance to you while he was in this country?

MoKoKo · 18/09/2016 00:11

Unfortunately for me, I know, even though it's dragging, that he will be back, because I know the work situation, however I don't know the timeframe. And it may well be true that he doesn't either. But you have made me think: I'd held fire on chasing him abroad, but actually...why did I do that? I've not seen anything in writing or seen any evidence. I should just keep chasing away, nothing to lose.
If I'm honest though, I'm still a bit scared of pressing for CM as this is actually the definite nail in the coffin. I'm still scared of him, deep down.

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FinallyHere · 18/09/2016 08:39

Good morning Mo and fellow pom-pom flourishers, following the story.

Seems like a bit of a light bulb moment there, Mo, what do you have to lose from starting to press for CM. I for one hope you go for it, very best wishes.

Mix56 · 18/09/2016 09:07

I'm still scared of him, deep down.
I think you need to think about this, When you met him he was just another spotty goofy student, you weren't scared of him then, (inspite of various selfish acts that marked your mind up to today!) you got together, your first flat, child etc. were presumably all in the happy period. You weren't scared of him then either.
I hasard a guess, that with time, you felt you were dependant on him, as his career took off, & he became an "important" person, the breadwinner, with an active life outside the home & acquaintances in his professional field with whom he felt at ease, or better.
Meanwhile, he had control of finances, because he is "the man" & you little by little became subdued & submissive. Its a major head game.
BUT, BUT, He is still the same person you met, & you are also his EQUAL. Have you ever stood up to him & said,

"Just what the fuck is all this bullshit? I know who you are, I have known you since X, all this dominance & power games you play does not belong in the home. I am not scared, I am not impressed, you are a pompous bastard & have lost any sense of reality & base values. frankly you are loathsome as you have become, & every little power game you play makes me despise you more.
We both know this farce is over. There is nothing that can be done to repair it, (assuming you might want to) on the one occasion you were in the country you played golf & went to show off to your "friends", you made no attempt to discuss, repair or enjoy your children. (nota 3 days in 18 months (correct as appropriate)
I have applied for XYZ, you are required to pay X for the children's upkeep.
In view of the ages of the children you are required by law to pay the mortgage & or sell the house (if I agree) & the equity split 50/50.
You may have run away from the country & your responsibilities as a father & a partner, however, these children exist & as their father you are required to keep a roof over their heads, clothed, fed & watered.
I suggest you move your manipulative controlling brain into action to reply, which will require approx 3 minutes of your precious time while on your jolly who knows where, with who cares who. & tell me just when you will be in the country, & if you give a toss, to reacquaint yourself with your children, & deal with the paperwork. Failing this I will be contacting your employer to get the necessary information & outline your flagrant failings as a father. & human being in general, I expect they would be interested to discover what kind of excuse of a human being you are, including some financial facts (what was it ? an it allowance of 80p per day for food, for his growing children ?) Please know you can have the standard access, in occurence EOW, & a evening per week. If you fail to undertake this contact it will be noted by my lawyer. Any further contact will be made through him/her.
You will not have entry to my house from this point onwards. we are officially separated."

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 18/09/2016 09:12

Feel the fear and do it anyway?

ConkerTriumphant · 18/09/2016 10:45

Fucking love that,Mix

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