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Married a stranger and going insane. (literally)

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mummymalta · 07/06/2016 06:26

I started a thread about this last week

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2649252-DH-has-hidden-some-heavy-stuff-AIBU-to-want-to-separate

And got a lot of advice but since Friday have seriously been so ill and sick full of nerves. I think what has happened has just hit me. Really hit me.

Went to a party without DH, an old "friend" of DH was there (hasn't seen in 12 years), he let slip that DH liked a lot bit of coke back in the day whilst drunk. I didn't know this so casually questioned DH when I got home. DH said only a couple of times but even though thus guy was drunk he didn't seem to mean a couple of times. Prodded a little and DH exposed a past of drugs and epic disaster when he was in a foreign country in early 20's doing a grad scheme.

The main horrific facts are:

Started as fun, coke got bad after meeting a girl who introduced him to harder stuff (crack mainly)

Horrid relationship together - the worst of it was him beating her during a drug fuelled argument (he admits this, said he blacked out but takes responsibility)

One morning after a crack binge she wanted more, he said no and she started screaming that he raped her (which he maintains he didn't and was never charged but spent two nights in jail)

She started selling herself and he would do drugs with her still after he found out

He finds her dead after they split up and her family goes nuts and accuses him of having a hand in it and he was interrogated by the police intensely. (not charged with anything and didn't have anything to do with it)

There was lying, stealing, manipulation involved as well but the above is the worst of it.

After she died he ran home scared shitless and has been clean ever since. He only took a sip of champagne at our wedding. He has always said he just simply doesn't drink and I never thought much of it

We have spoken about this "properly" around twice before I shut down for 3 weeks and when I tried to speak about it he calmly said he doesn't like talking about it because it is in the past. He said he's told me all I need to know and he's like it to stay in the past and not infect his new life. He said he supports my feelings but he doesn't want to sit with me and go through every gorey detail of his addiction. He said addicts do disgusting things and it's impractical to dwell.

He said not to tell anyone and that he didn't tell me because he was never charged, most importantly innocent, and yes things got insane but for the most of it he was a 22 year old dickhead.

I got a lot of advice on the other thread but I'm feeling alone, like i married a stranger. He's giving hugs and kisses and saying he understands my shock but does he really? I've started to really really think....Why is my usually supportive husband shutting me down? He's doing it politely, but doing it never the less.

I believe him as I've done research about drug abuse and things can get mad. But I just don't like the way he is handling this. He seems detached from what happened. He spoke about it really calmly. Didn't cry or shudder or look in pain once. I find this weird but many people on the other thread said they have had murky pasts and don't let it haunt them anymore either. I've heard SO many opinions and all of them make sense and have standing. Every last one. I'm so confused. I go from wanting to hold him and forget about this to wanting a divorce every other hour.

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shovetheholly · 07/06/2016 09:49

I think the thing that is troubling here is that contrition is not a one-time event. It's something that has to be lived forever, a burden that doesn't just go away. That's sort of what redemption is - and it comes contextually, with a sense of the reasons for the actions in the first place. I'm not saying that the husband in question here should be going around the world in sackcloth and ashes carrying an unbearable burden - just that when confronted about the past, some appropriate emotional response is required. It doesn't sound like the OP feels that this is there.

However, this does not negate the fact that he has been a good partner and father to her, which means he clearly has made huge efforts to clean up his life and start afresh. The energy that takes is phenomenal, especially when the reason for the addiction in the first place is something that most people would struggle to bear. If there is something in his past that has led him down this path, then that needs to be dealt with too as part of this process - and often, that's the hardest part.

I do think that coming to terms with guilt and victimhood (and the two often go together) - that being redeemed, if you want to put it that way - is a very, very long term process. It may be a life's work, really. And that's for all of us for the small as well as the big - writing something nasty, unforgiving and horrible on an internet forum might be a small act, but it still inflicts a quantum of misery on the world.

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Fannyupcrutch · 07/06/2016 09:49

I'm with Ourblanche on this, it's his past and that is that. I did message you OP, as somebody that has a very similar past to your other half and the person I was then is in no way at all similar to the person I am now. My other half knows full well about it all as I went the exact opposite and fully disclosed everything to every new person I met as I was terrified of them getting to know me and then it coming out and suffering the pain of rejection after so much hard work to stay straight. In hindsight, I wish I had kept my past private as every tom dick and harry knows about it and people are judgey wankers despite my degree, teaching qualifications and volunteering as some sort of cathartic payback. I can be as eloquent as I like but I know that I am measured against my previous mistakes despite the fact that I have paid for it in spades.

Has your husband shown any inkling what so ever ( since you have known him) that has indicated that he is still a violent drug user? if yes, be concerned. But otherwise he saw the error of his ways and like me has moved on, gotten clean and straight and built a life. If a drug user believes that they have no chance of ever getting clean and having a decent future then you may as well commit each and every one of them to a death sentence as they have no incentive to ever even TRY. What your husband achieved by changing is a wonderful thing and I think outweighs his mistakes. He has been completely honest with you when it was raised but chose to keep it private and with good reason. Because people react like this.

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NickiFury · 07/06/2016 09:51

Have you thought that maybe it's your reaction now that makes him not want to open up any further to you? I'm not judging how you're reacting, it is what it is, but I think you need to try and assimilate it and approach him, for now, in a non judgmental way. I have to say though that I have done some questionable stuff in my past and it bears absolutely no relation to my life now. I wouldn't discuss it with anyone and have ended a relationship in the past because he kept drooping around unable to get over My Past, even though he didn't know the half of it. Young people can be absolute idiots and can behave very badly but a lot of the time they come out of the other side with no lasting damage. Sometimes they don't - like this time. I did read the other thread so am aware of what went on. I said on the other thread that you were making it about you and I still think that on this one.

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Lilacpink40 · 07/06/2016 09:53

Can you live apart and spend time getting to know each other again?
It is the third option rather than continue or end everything.

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Somerville · 07/06/2016 10:11

It's supremely unfair of him to shut you down when you want to discuss this further, mummymalta.

Actions have consequences. And what the consequences are is not under the control of the individual who took the action. He doesn't get to say that the only consequence is not drinking alcohol for the rest of his life.

Both his initial actions (drug addiction, crime, violence) and ongoing actions (not telling you) have consequences for you. You're feeling them now - confusion and worry and hurt.

I can't see how there is any chance for your marriage to survive if he continues to refuse to own up to these consequences of his actions.

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Mamaka · 07/06/2016 10:23

Where did it say that he pimped out the gf?

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TaintForTheLikesOfWe · 07/06/2016 10:26

Agree with other posters here that say he should give you the luxury of discussing it. Shutting you down means there is far more to it or he doesn't care that you can't move on. It's difficult though. If you say we need to discuss this or I'm gone, he could give a Disney version just to attain the end he desires. Could you speak to the friend again OP, the one you got the original info from? Drastic situations call for drastic measures. Go and see him to get more clarity. If DH goes ballistic, so what? You are considering leaving. It doesn't get worse than that. I think I would email him and tell him he is handling this in the worst possible way if he genuinely wants to stay married. Tell the whole truth or fuck off basically. You can't live the rest of your life speculating over how deep in the shit his arse really was and whether you have been or are being lied to big time. He must do something drastic but he won't unless you tell him he must. If you have to leave for a while to make him realise he is punching far above his weight being married to you he is being a pillock and may end up a divorced pillock - so be it.

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blankmind · 07/06/2016 11:11

Thing is, none of us can change the past. what's happened has happened and it was quite some time ago. Please bear in mind that he was investigated by the Police at the time and not found guilty of any offences.

He cannot 'atone' or 'make amends' for what happened in his past any more than he already has done before he met you OP. Everyone seems to assume he just walked away without a care in the world, but I'm sure he went through a turbulent time of coming to terms with it in himself, then deciding to completely change his life, neither of which are easy to do.

He has changed his life around since all that happened and been a great partner and father. The changed person is the one you know.

Please look at the life you have now with him, not at what your imagination is creating.

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simonettavespucci · 07/06/2016 11:20

Mamaka - on the previous thread.

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PirateFairy45 · 07/06/2016 11:35

Simple

Do you love the man he's been since being with you?

Does he treat you with dignity, respect and love?.

Has he ever raised a hand to you?

The man he was isn't the man you fell in love with.

But if it's a deal breaker, then leave

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simonettavespucci · 07/06/2016 11:46

I agree with Wannabe and other people saying that the immediate issue is not the past events, but the fact that he prevented you from making an informed choice about the person you were going to marry and have children with.

If you'd known he'd had issues with drugs in the past, you might have been fine with it - you might even have been fine with it and not needed to know the details. But that's completely different to the situation in which he lies to you (by omission - 'oh, I'm just not into alcohol'), because he knows you might not like the truth.

Maybe he has genuinely cleaned up, and respect to him if so, but he still prioritised getting what he wanted over letting you make your own decisions.

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gleam · 07/06/2016 12:01

I think you're massively overreacting, op.

And I can't say I'm surprised at him not wanting to relive every gory detail. Where's his motivation for telling you? You're horrified enough as it is...


If his life with you is not testament enough to the type of person he is now, what more can he do?

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DoinItFine · 07/06/2016 12:02

You can "clean up" after drug use.

But not after violent crime.

He beat his partner badly.

He never served a day in jail for that.

Or, as far as we know, has attempted to make any kind of restitution.

he clearly has made huge efforts to clean up his life and start afresh. The energy that takes is phenomenal

It is very far from clear that he made aby efforts at all Part from getting on a plane and retunrning to his comfortable life.

Not everyone who enjoys taking drugs is addicted to them. There is no reason at all to presume that walking out on his period of being a NYC coke fiend was difficult.

All this "poor him, it's so hard being an abusive partner" is making me feel sick.

The drugs are an irrelevance. An excuse.

He exploited, beat, and (allegedly) raped a real actual woman.

Not just some piece of garbage to be swept under the carpet so the man who made the end of her life so hellish can "move on" untroubled by his crimes.

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WeDoNotSow · 07/06/2016 12:24

Mummy read your first thread.
Why aren't you allowed to tell anyone in RL about this? Why aren't you allowed to have any RL support?
He has told you he isn't talking about it anymore, what you happen if you pressed the issue? Would he get angry?
Is there something in you that knows when to stop before you go too far with him?

I may be way off the mark here, but persinal experience is making me wonder if he's always been so lovely because You've always known when to stop/when to shut up...

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heron98 · 07/06/2016 12:33

I agree with a previous poster, everyone has a past.

Yes, his stories are shocking but actually I can see why he wouldn't mention them.

it all happened well before he met you and is therefore, I genuinely think, not really your business.

If he's been a good husband and you love him, let it go.

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WannaBe · 07/06/2016 12:39

The amount of domestic violence apologists on this thread is sickening. Because that's what it is, domestic violence. She was his partner and he beat the crap out of her because she wouldn't do what he asked. Replace "wouldn't give him crack," with "wouldn't cook his dinner," still overreacting because it was his past?

If she'd been in this country and pressed charges against him for the violence he would have come up on a Claire's law search.

If someone is capable of beating their partner to a pulp when on drugs then they're capable of beating their partner to a pulp when sober. The fact he never has yet says nothing about the person he is.

The drugs you can walk away from, never use again, never drink again, yep, it's in the past and hopefully will remain there. But the violence can never be undone. But apparently that too is alright because he's never raised a hand to his current partner. Ok then. Who needs women's aid and refuge while men can just walk away from their partners after having beaten them up. Who needs to campaign for laws to see whether people have previous form for violence towards a partner. It's in the past right? Anyone who thinks otherwise is just overreacting. No thought not.

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DoinItFine · 07/06/2016 12:39

So if your husband beat and pimped out, and probably raped, a woman before he met you, that is "none of yiur business"?

Because it is his "past" and we have all raped and beaten women in the past.

WTF??

College Basketball Star Heroically Overcomes Tragic Rape He Committed

It must have been so hard for him, sweeping his violent past under the carpet and carrying on as though it never happened.

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DoinItFine · 07/06/2016 12:42

It seems that just like the man who beat her, a lot of posters on this thread don't think the dead, raped, pimped, and beaten woman was worth anything at all.

He said himself that he realised he had never given a shit about her after she was conveniently dead.

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WeDoNotSow · 07/06/2016 12:44

The amount of domestic violence apologists on this thread is sickening
Absolutely!

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Doyouthinktheysaurus · 07/06/2016 12:44

Just read your other thread. I have completely changed my mind from 'everyone has a past'.

I think what would be a deal breaker for me is that you met him only 18 months after all this ended? That's such a short period or time and he was then just in the very early days of recovery. He should have told you at that point, respecting you enough to make your choice about whether to continue seeing him.

After such a short period of time, it's barely even the past!

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WeDoNotSow · 07/06/2016 12:45

DoinIt
Well she was just another fucking druggy after all, and they're always getting themselves raped/beaten/killed.

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Jajah · 07/06/2016 12:58

Yes absolutely - and I think it's incredibly unhealthy and unsupportive to tell the op she should just be fine with it all, no questions, as 'it's in the past'. It's almost gaslighting. No wonder she feels like she's going insane.

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StealthPolarBear · 07/06/2016 13:43

Hurrah sense returns
op I do hope you're ok

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simonettavespucci · 07/06/2016 13:51

All the people saying 'Well perhaps he didn't tell you because he knew how you'd react' are spectacularly missing the point.

It's precisely because there's a reasonable expectation that you would be horrified that he had an obligation to tell you.

Try it in a less dramatic situation - say if he had an STD or heavy debts:

'Oh well, I didn't tell you I had herpes because I thought then you probably wouldn't have sex with me. You probably wouldn't catch it anyway, so what does it matter?'

Sure I can understand why he might not want to have the conversation, but that doesn't mean it's okay for him not to. The fact that he didn't suggests that he (still) thinks his life is more important than anyone else's.

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Iflyaway · 07/06/2016 14:04

That link is from the Onion. A well-known site that takes the piss. (I didn't even read the relevant link).

If you scroll down you'll find the story "18-time Olympic gold medalist Michael Phelps announced Sunday that his fiancée has given birth to a healthy 6-pound tadpole."

Anyway, nothing to do with this thread.

So sorry you're going through this OP. I hope you make the right decision for yourself, whatever you decide.

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