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Epic story of being a crap husband. *very long*

382 replies

gshavik · 06/06/2016 20:56

Not sure what/where or particularly how to start but basically this...

Wife just buggered off with the children to her parents on Saturday. Piled them into the car and left with no goodbye, just 'you need to grow the fuck up'. Hasn't returned yet, no indications when that might happen presently.

Good start?

To expand, we're at a bit of impasse. I'm actually not even sure why but for once my conscience is totally clear and I'm pretty certain that I'm not being unreasonable. Consider this.

I have my own small business, which is in a difficult place just now as it doesn't yet run on its own without me (...work in progress), and our industry is in particularly challenging times. I used to work all the hours God sends (6am - 8pm was typical - sometimes longer - before our first child). That said it more than pays our bills and I've scaled back the work mainly to 9-6 these days in order to be at home more (her demands but I wanted to improve work/life balance too). Throw in the commute and that's about 8:30 - 6:30. Weekends are now virtually all ours.

She decided just before DC1 that she wanted to be a SAHM, which was fine with me but it meant all income now rests on my shoulders. OK - not a major problem but places a bit more stress on my abilities to provide for everything, replacing her salary. I don't mind that and I'm fortunate that I'm in a position where that was possible (at a push, but possible nonetheless).

A few years later and DC3 has been on the scene for some 10 months now and it's obviously a bit busy looking after the three children each day almost every day. I'm under no illusion as to how much of a handful they are (DC1 is about 3.5 YO just now) - but I help out with them as much as I can in the mornings, evenings and at the weekends. On one weekend day, she gets a lie-in, and the other day I get one. In theory. In practice my lie-in consists of having either DC2 or DC3 dumped on me in bed around 6:30 for maybe an hour or so (which I don't resent but it's supposed to be a lie-in...). Thereafter she makes a LOT of noise screaming and yelling at them for this or that, not to mention basically stomping around the house - hardly light underfoot - in a rather chaotic manner. Basically I don't really get the lie-in or sleep and I'm generally up and dressed by about 8:30-9ish because there is no chance of getting sleep. By comparison when she has her lie-in I try as far as possible to have them all contained in the sitting room with their breakfasts and nappy changes all done with fairly minimal fuss, keeping them all playing about and capering happily with basically no need for all the shouting that goes on when she is with them. Basically, it's doable with little to no chaos barring the odd unexpected mishap. These has been the pattern for months now. I'm not saying that I'm better at it - I really don't think that - but as I'll explain more later I'm growing more and more concerned that it's intentional, with a view to teaching me something.

So, our house, as you might imagine with three young children is prone to breakages. Wear and tear on most things would be high anyway I should imagine, and the replacement rate of stuff broken or worn out is ridiculous. Some of it is fair enough, I repaired our washing machine three times as after a few years of being overloaded or having stuff trapped in the door before starting the cycle took its toll. NBD - I'm pretty handy and replaced that. It had taken a few weeks of sizing up the possible options/performance/price and I got one at a bank-holiday sale to keep costs down. Hotpoint 8kg load, 1600rpm spin, 14 minute quick cycle. Great.
Same with the tumble drier - two days when it failed for the last time meant a ridiculous back log of washing that took about two weeks to clear up when the weather was bad over the winter there. Again, NBD, I found another one with 8kg load and had that installed one morning before heading into work. BTW; our electric bill over the winter quarter came to ~£1600. Yeah, that's right. Paid that.

I'm told we need a dishwasher now. OK, but we have a pretty small kitchen and fitting that isn't quite as straightforward as just replacing one. One 600mm cupboard has to be given up (there is already a lack of space) and the carcass hacked up a bit to accommodate. Plumbing, again NBD, but the real issue is the electrics - there is no socket in the back there. In fact, as it transpires (my friend is an electrician, and I know my way around electrics too), the electrics in the kitchen were previously bodged by another owner and the circuit run to the kitchen appears to be using the incorrectly sized cables - we'd discovered this sometime before the dishwasher raised its head. OK, now we have a problem and a potential fire risk if more consumers are added to the circuit, basically the old wiring needs to be replaced with a proper ring circuit, not sure to how many sockets off the top of my head but let’s say it'll take two people about a day to replace and re-wire. Suddenly fitting a dishwasher becomes a whole lot more involved. Enough detail?
So, I explained that this isn't going to be quick job and will need a good deal more than she imagined in order to realise the vision of zero-hassle dishwashing (ha). Not to be disheartened she got her father to give a second opinion whilst I was at work (I should say he means well but is a bit of a bodger with no particular electrical knowledge) - he glanced at the plumbing and the cupboard and stated he didn't see a particular problem. I got accused of being a liar - that was months ago. I am still, apparently, a liar.

A week ago, on a whim she decided that we now need a bigger whirly washing line. I feigned ignorance to the problem (seeing where the conversation was headed and already thinking what now...?), but apparently she wants to be able to get 3 full loads of washing done in ~45 minutes but the line isn't big enough to take that. Putting the physical problems of digging out the big concrete lump buried in the garden aside for a moment, how on earth can we generate 24kgs of washing that suddenly needs doing? Ok - nice weather, maybe get some bedding done, but SRSLY? I wouldn't argue that our existing whirly is a bit crap - 3 arms, not very big. However I've managed two good size loads onto it by thinking about the order stuff gets hung. I think the key concept being missed is staggering or planning or just generally 'keeping on top of it' - maybe easier said than done but still...

A couple months back, her car (a small MPV) got written off in a no-fault accident. Insurance pay out was ok but far from what was needed for a newer car. She wanted a 7-seater. It had to be a seven-seater. OK, so a Zafira it was then. A 13-plate Zafira, about 10k on the clock, superb condition. Good boot space for the buggies and shopping etc. Very practical. I spent weeks weighing up the pros and cons of these fire-prone cars, eventually finding one that was within a sensible price-range that already had the recall work done. It's never held 7 people in it. I doubt it ever will, but it absolutely had to be a 7-seater - her friend has one. Meanwhile, I bought it outright, had to take another hit to the wallet - to be fair I'd rather do that than get it on-tick. I don't grudge getting the car. I do grudge that she wouldn't drive me to the train station to go to collect it, and I grudge that she instead called her parents through from about 80 miles away for the sole purpose of driving me 12 miles to the train station. Frankly, I was a bit embarrassed about that. Clearly it was totally unreasonable of me to expect her to help me help her. I didn't get any thanks for the car until I mentioned the lack-thereof about a week later.

So what's the problem? Apparently none of that.

OP posts:
inabizzlefam · 06/06/2016 23:20

Agree that your DW has no input in what happens in the house. This was how my marriage panned out and also explains why I am now in the middle of a very nasty divorce. My STBX was aghast that I had the audacity to up sticks and leave him. "Why I am the model husband?" was his reply when I was loading up the removal lorry.
Your DW has clearly had enough of trying, and failing, to live up to your demanding expectations. The best thing you can do now is let her go and live her life in some sort or peace and normality away from your twattery.

ingeniousidiot · 06/06/2016 23:21

Enjoy the house and get it to look exactly how you want it to while there is no-one there to spill diet coke. Spend your evenings meticulously weighing your laundry and hanging it in the right order in on the rotary drier for maximum drying efficiency. Spend a lot more time researching appliances and procrastinating about their size, cost and efficiency. Praise yourself for finishing your working week on Friday and emptying the drier in the correct manner.

And then realise that you are really, REALLY, doing it all wrong. Your priorities are wrong, your attitude is wrong, your life is wrong. That is why she has gone.

Stop obsessing and start DOING the bloody laundry. Take the kids out so she gets to finish that cup of tea/diet coke. It's a lonely life on your own.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 06/06/2016 23:24

Thanks, we had looked a childcare before DC1 was born and SAHM became the preferred option. It makes economical sense and as she was a primary teacher before parenthood was in theory perfect suiting her desires - her idea, but I fully backed it. I've said to her on many many occasions, to paraphrase, thanks for being the best mummy our children could ever wish for, or some soppy genuine variation on that. I cannot fault her as a mother other than too much shouting at them imho

If you really genuinely feel this way a very quick soloution towards going a long way to reduce the contempt (so also a potential answer to your last bit)
Remember you are not doing her a favour by working,you are not the only one making a huge financial commitment to your family and you are not doing everything.

The pair of you are a team and are both doing your bit to contribute,you by working and her by doing child stuff that in turn allows you to work and saves you hundreds of pounds a week.

Children of that age are relentless on mass, the vast majority of lone parents or SAHP's I know are just relieved that everybody is still alive at the end of each day.

Yes you work long hours but so does she, it's highly likely when you do kid stuff because of those long hours you do they may well behave better with you because daddy is exciting and mums knackered and boring that can be a by product of the set up.

Accept she's working just as hard as you and her 'customers' more than likely spend most of the day actively trying to tip her over the edge and it's quite likely (if nobody's dead or maimed) then she's done some very hard work for little to no gratitude and she may just want to sit in the corner trying not to cry whilst rocking.and when you have a weekend don't absent yourself from being able to share that load by doing utterly pointless DIY because you fancy doing it, do the stuff that needs doing that both of you agree needs doing or help her.

Oh and never mention fucking moss ever again unless you don't live in England where in reality 2 litres of BASTARDING tumble dryer water are going to make no damn difference because of the climate.

If I were you I would be on the phone grovelling to her tell her what you have learnt and hope to god she gives you a second chance

Myusernameismyusername · 06/06/2016 23:24

Your communication difficulties may be difficult for various reasons, but one that many people are telling you to listen to is letting go of things that dont matter in the grand scheme of life plans
Ones that can be fixed. Ones that really you have nagged about a million times, maybe you need to accept that the bigger picture is

A. How you communicate with one another. Do you ever really talk about anything but house work or kids?
B. What you communicate about. Your house is where you live, but it isn't the symbol of your life - being nicer and cleaner and fixed doesn't equal your life being better or things fixed. They don't equate to one another. The state and condition of your house doesn't come before you as a couple or a family.

C. What this is teaching your children. Mummy and daddy are stressed out and thy don't seem to recognise their own contributions to the stress. They are blaming each other for everything. This isn't good example for how to resolve conflict

Go to relate with her

gshavik · 06/06/2016 23:24

BoatyMcBoat - Is that from experience? Are they as black and white as only one person is at fault? Also., I love the username, BoatyMcBoatface was the best candidate name for that ship and got my vote :)

OP posts:
SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 06/06/2016 23:26

I think OP is gerting a hard time.
Maybe she asjed him to pick the wcm.

Maybe he doesn't want to live in a house with a stinky floor. Or is he not alllowed any say in his living environment being as he is only there to provide and do.
OP has said he does do chores (I very much doubt as much as his dw but that isn't rntirely unfair in a sahm / working split) yet he is being accused of leaving everything to dw.

To me it sounds as from his perspective he feels cast into the role of having to do/fix everything now.

And yes 3 under 5 is tough but it isn't inpossible. OP also has 3 under 5 and a business to runwhich is allso stressful.

The long lie thing would piss me off tbh but then my x made sure I never got any

So to sum up , fault on both sides, both knackered, both need to think of each other as fellow human beings a bit more and burdens a bit less.

OP - would your dw like to go back to work at all? PT work saved my sanity.

And it would probably help a lot if you did just sort out the washing line. 2 of your issues are with laundry....well one of the things I hate most is laundry so anything that makes it more faff is bollocks.

You need to either get over the drive (easier to fix than a marriage) or when there is some spare time put in a gutter that run from the machine to the drain so the water can be tipped straight into the gutter and rundown to the drain and then stfu about the drive and realise that oerhapd family is more important.

Hopefully now you have the rant off your chest you can start thinking about whether you actually miss your wife and if so why?

If you went to counselling you would probably find out why she thinks you should grow up and she might find out you are feeling the strain of providing the same income in less hours.

BoreOfWhabylon · 06/06/2016 23:27

You are a member of Pistonheads you say, OP?

What a surprise.

EarthboundMisfit · 06/06/2016 23:27

It is very, very hard when you have young kids. I have 3 under 7. My twins had just turned 4 when my youngest was born. My DH and I don't have the worst or the best relationship, but I can say with some conviction that when we had really little ones, particularly when our twins were under 2, we'd cheerfully have murdered each other if we'd had the energy (joke, but only just). It gets easier. I really would recommend therapy to help with this patch.

DaphneCanDoBetterThanFred · 06/06/2016 23:28

Just one point, as I think everyone else has covered the other eleventy million.

The weekend lie in.
You lie in.
She shouts, it's chaos.

She lies in, you control a beautiful scene of peace and love.

She spends (at least) 5 days a week from 8:30 - 6:30 parenting 3 children under 4. Three of them! Under 4! That's 50 child facing hours alone. (Plus the night wakings - I understand that you help, but she must feel like she's never away from them.)

Play dates don't count, they're still needy fuckers on play dates. Days out don't make a difference, they're just needy in a different location.

Of COURSE it's easier for you ffs, she must be shattered from spending so much time with so many of them. For you and the kids it's a nice change, so of course everyone's quieter. Can you not see that?

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 06/06/2016 23:28

Sorry for typos

WellErrr · 06/06/2016 23:29

I think OP is gerting a hard time.

Rightly so. He's followed his wife onto a forum he knows she uses regularly to have an epic rant about all her 'failings' to strangers and her

Maybe he doesn't want to live in a house with a stinky floor

I can think of a solution for him.

WellErrr · 06/06/2016 23:31

Anyway, now that his wife whom he clearly can't stand has left him, hopefully things will be much cleaner for him and he'll have less of her crsp to sort out.

So that should make him happy.

Iknownuffink · 06/06/2016 23:36

Misnomer I has an arse of a husband who couldn't hold down a job, had he had been a woman he would have been to posh to push.

Could not change a light bulb. Left me and my kids with a totally blocked toilet whilst he played cricket.

I was financially, emotionally, horribly abused by him. He was clever and charismatic.

I stand by my view that the OP's wife is a behaving like a spoiled child.

The type that leaves damp towels on the bed. Does not wipe up spills. Cries because she does not have the latest phone and is totally self centred.

Let me spend your money, I want to be a SAHM mum, they're your children too. I need me time.

I, I, I,

Badgoushk · 06/06/2016 23:37

Your wife doesn't want practical help and you doing DIY all the time. She wants you around to help her with the kids. I sympathise with her tbh.

MazzleDazzle · 06/06/2016 23:39

In your OP, you repeatedly use the words I and she, but rarely we.

It sounds like you've lost sight of why you're together in the first place and are both resenting each other.

roundaboutthetown · 06/06/2016 23:39

Well, you both have highly incompatible ways of dealing with stress. The more stressed and unhappy she is, the less she cares about the Diet Coke or moss, or how you plumb in the dishwasher, and the more stressed you are, the more these details bother you. She doesn't respect how much these things bother you, because she's too stressed to see them as anything other than trivial, and you don't see and therefore respect how overwhelmed and suffocated she is feeling and therefore how literally incapable she is of understanding your obsession with detail. What she is trying to tell you is she is busy drowning and instead of responding with the sense of urgency appropriate to dealing with a drowning person, you're going away to research how to do things properly while she continues to drown. And then you are concluding that she will drown more slowly with new flooring rather than a new dishwasher, so you go and deal with that... even though she made it crystal clear she's drowning in washing up, not Diet Coke stains. You should have agreed to her suggestion of counselling, because you are not understanding each other's cries for help.

SlapACatFuckADuck · 06/06/2016 23:39

Op, MN doesn't generally take well to men having a rant about their wives from all I have seen. You've mentioned she post on here she'll she'll be told to LTB and you'll be told you're a crazy obsessive controlling stalker.

In all honesty hit up the counselling.

Iknownuffink · 06/06/2016 23:40

What's wrong with Pistonheads?

I love cookingforengineers.

MyKingdomForBrie · 06/06/2016 23:41

She sounds like a spoilt brat.

You both sound like you just don't like each other and don't appreciate each other. Can't see that changing at this stage. You're not a team, you don't work together.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 06/06/2016 23:42

He stated she wanted to be a SAHM. Perhaps the reality is overwhelming her because she is a princess

She wanted to at dc1 now 3 DC's it's the financially more viable option as agreed by both.
And being overwhelmed by 3 under 5's is not princessey behaviour. Kids that age can be arseholes who never give an inch and never stop I know ive got some.

Single parent on limited income?

She would get EOW free, 20% of the op's income and would more than likely qualify for 15 hours childcare for each kid a week and nobody would be giving her grief about moss.

WriteforFun1 · 06/06/2016 23:44

I couldn't face reading all this
OP were the three under three planned? And you are doing your share? I am so confused.

GettingIntoTheSpirit · 06/06/2016 23:45

You thought long and hard about the washing machine but you got an 8kg? 9kg are around £30 more and you have 3 under 4!

Was there a point?

KittyKrap · 06/06/2016 23:46

I was a sahm to 3 under 4. Their dad was a lot like you. We're not married anymore.

Never, EVER, tell someone how to optimise their whirly hangings out. It never ends well.

And get a treatment on your Tarmac drive. We have it and nothing sticks to it. That's if there's anything left after the divorce Confused

nousernames · 06/06/2016 23:46

I think you've had quite a hard time here op but I wonder if it's helped you focus on the real issues.

Just out of curiosity, what does your wife say the problems are in your marriage? I feel like you've listed a lot of things you've done well and then instances where she's been ungrateful but you haven't actually mentioned what she's said to you while you've been arguing. No one is perfect and I'm sure your wife has been at fault at times but when have you been in the wrong?

Also from the tone of your post, it doesn't sound like you like her much at all. The only compliment you give her (that she's good with kids) is modified by the fact she also shouts at them. Would you not just be happier if she left you?

SemiNormal · 06/06/2016 23:49

And being overwhelmed by 3 under 5's is not princessey behaviour.

Not princess behaviour but did she ever feel overwhelmed by 2? then I'd question why she had a third child. Yes parenting is hard but I don't get why people are making out she's a 'hero' (as one PP called her) just because she has 3 kids - she chose to have them I assume?