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Epic story of being a crap husband. *very long*

382 replies

gshavik · 06/06/2016 20:56

Not sure what/where or particularly how to start but basically this...

Wife just buggered off with the children to her parents on Saturday. Piled them into the car and left with no goodbye, just 'you need to grow the fuck up'. Hasn't returned yet, no indications when that might happen presently.

Good start?

To expand, we're at a bit of impasse. I'm actually not even sure why but for once my conscience is totally clear and I'm pretty certain that I'm not being unreasonable. Consider this.

I have my own small business, which is in a difficult place just now as it doesn't yet run on its own without me (...work in progress), and our industry is in particularly challenging times. I used to work all the hours God sends (6am - 8pm was typical - sometimes longer - before our first child). That said it more than pays our bills and I've scaled back the work mainly to 9-6 these days in order to be at home more (her demands but I wanted to improve work/life balance too). Throw in the commute and that's about 8:30 - 6:30. Weekends are now virtually all ours.

She decided just before DC1 that she wanted to be a SAHM, which was fine with me but it meant all income now rests on my shoulders. OK - not a major problem but places a bit more stress on my abilities to provide for everything, replacing her salary. I don't mind that and I'm fortunate that I'm in a position where that was possible (at a push, but possible nonetheless).

A few years later and DC3 has been on the scene for some 10 months now and it's obviously a bit busy looking after the three children each day almost every day. I'm under no illusion as to how much of a handful they are (DC1 is about 3.5 YO just now) - but I help out with them as much as I can in the mornings, evenings and at the weekends. On one weekend day, she gets a lie-in, and the other day I get one. In theory. In practice my lie-in consists of having either DC2 or DC3 dumped on me in bed around 6:30 for maybe an hour or so (which I don't resent but it's supposed to be a lie-in...). Thereafter she makes a LOT of noise screaming and yelling at them for this or that, not to mention basically stomping around the house - hardly light underfoot - in a rather chaotic manner. Basically I don't really get the lie-in or sleep and I'm generally up and dressed by about 8:30-9ish because there is no chance of getting sleep. By comparison when she has her lie-in I try as far as possible to have them all contained in the sitting room with their breakfasts and nappy changes all done with fairly minimal fuss, keeping them all playing about and capering happily with basically no need for all the shouting that goes on when she is with them. Basically, it's doable with little to no chaos barring the odd unexpected mishap. These has been the pattern for months now. I'm not saying that I'm better at it - I really don't think that - but as I'll explain more later I'm growing more and more concerned that it's intentional, with a view to teaching me something.

So, our house, as you might imagine with three young children is prone to breakages. Wear and tear on most things would be high anyway I should imagine, and the replacement rate of stuff broken or worn out is ridiculous. Some of it is fair enough, I repaired our washing machine three times as after a few years of being overloaded or having stuff trapped in the door before starting the cycle took its toll. NBD - I'm pretty handy and replaced that. It had taken a few weeks of sizing up the possible options/performance/price and I got one at a bank-holiday sale to keep costs down. Hotpoint 8kg load, 1600rpm spin, 14 minute quick cycle. Great.
Same with the tumble drier - two days when it failed for the last time meant a ridiculous back log of washing that took about two weeks to clear up when the weather was bad over the winter there. Again, NBD, I found another one with 8kg load and had that installed one morning before heading into work. BTW; our electric bill over the winter quarter came to ~£1600. Yeah, that's right. Paid that.

I'm told we need a dishwasher now. OK, but we have a pretty small kitchen and fitting that isn't quite as straightforward as just replacing one. One 600mm cupboard has to be given up (there is already a lack of space) and the carcass hacked up a bit to accommodate. Plumbing, again NBD, but the real issue is the electrics - there is no socket in the back there. In fact, as it transpires (my friend is an electrician, and I know my way around electrics too), the electrics in the kitchen were previously bodged by another owner and the circuit run to the kitchen appears to be using the incorrectly sized cables - we'd discovered this sometime before the dishwasher raised its head. OK, now we have a problem and a potential fire risk if more consumers are added to the circuit, basically the old wiring needs to be replaced with a proper ring circuit, not sure to how many sockets off the top of my head but let’s say it'll take two people about a day to replace and re-wire. Suddenly fitting a dishwasher becomes a whole lot more involved. Enough detail?
So, I explained that this isn't going to be quick job and will need a good deal more than she imagined in order to realise the vision of zero-hassle dishwashing (ha). Not to be disheartened she got her father to give a second opinion whilst I was at work (I should say he means well but is a bit of a bodger with no particular electrical knowledge) - he glanced at the plumbing and the cupboard and stated he didn't see a particular problem. I got accused of being a liar - that was months ago. I am still, apparently, a liar.

A week ago, on a whim she decided that we now need a bigger whirly washing line. I feigned ignorance to the problem (seeing where the conversation was headed and already thinking what now...?), but apparently she wants to be able to get 3 full loads of washing done in ~45 minutes but the line isn't big enough to take that. Putting the physical problems of digging out the big concrete lump buried in the garden aside for a moment, how on earth can we generate 24kgs of washing that suddenly needs doing? Ok - nice weather, maybe get some bedding done, but SRSLY? I wouldn't argue that our existing whirly is a bit crap - 3 arms, not very big. However I've managed two good size loads onto it by thinking about the order stuff gets hung. I think the key concept being missed is staggering or planning or just generally 'keeping on top of it' - maybe easier said than done but still...

A couple months back, her car (a small MPV) got written off in a no-fault accident. Insurance pay out was ok but far from what was needed for a newer car. She wanted a 7-seater. It had to be a seven-seater. OK, so a Zafira it was then. A 13-plate Zafira, about 10k on the clock, superb condition. Good boot space for the buggies and shopping etc. Very practical. I spent weeks weighing up the pros and cons of these fire-prone cars, eventually finding one that was within a sensible price-range that already had the recall work done. It's never held 7 people in it. I doubt it ever will, but it absolutely had to be a 7-seater - her friend has one. Meanwhile, I bought it outright, had to take another hit to the wallet - to be fair I'd rather do that than get it on-tick. I don't grudge getting the car. I do grudge that she wouldn't drive me to the train station to go to collect it, and I grudge that she instead called her parents through from about 80 miles away for the sole purpose of driving me 12 miles to the train station. Frankly, I was a bit embarrassed about that. Clearly it was totally unreasonable of me to expect her to help me help her. I didn't get any thanks for the car until I mentioned the lack-thereof about a week later.

So what's the problem? Apparently none of that.

OP posts:
airforsharon · 06/06/2016 22:58

You cannot treat your wife and family like a business!! Just because you are the sole earner does not give you the right to control all the household expenditure like this. She's doing the laundry, let her choose the machine she wants without all this obsessive 'research'.

Those are my thoughts, pretty much. You go out to work, she works at home. You're partners and equals. The things she uses daily as part of her work, she should be able to choose and buy without you looking over her shoulder and dictating her choices. Trust me, it will really rankle.

I don't think you're really seeing her right now....she sounds at the point of exploding, and overwhelmed. Whether that's by the constant demands of dc care, or frustration at your nitpicking I can't say. Does she get time away from the house regularly, go to any clubs, classes, even out for a walk in the evenings? I don't doubt you work hard too, but when your place of work is also your home, the walls can very easily start closing in on you.

PacificDogwod · 06/06/2016 22:59

What is it that you want from the thread, gahavik?
Genuine questions.

Whilst I don't disagree with all the advice about talking to your wife, maybe you need to just sit and LISTEN to her.
Whatever you do do not offer solutions - I am sure she can come with what she might find helpful.
Listen and try to empathise with her.

Take a week off and look after your children. On your own. Send her to a nice boutique hotel/spa for a week - then see how you feel.

All of the above if you value your wife and your family life.
If you don't, well, do whatever you want or carry on as you are.
It sounds like your wife is making your choice for you.

At one point I had 4 under 7s and was working long hours in a demanding job, as was DH. It almost finished us off - I know the toll it took on me, and on us as a couple. My youngest is now 6 and I have been able to see the light at the end of the tunnel for the last year or so.
I don't think that somebody who is away and out of the house all day has the first understanding what it is like to spend an equal amount of time with preschoolers . You should try is sometime.

EarthboundMisfit · 06/06/2016 23:00

The money might only be coming in from one side, but your wife is working at least as hard as you are, and she is enabling you to work by taking care of the children. Your contribution is not more than hers.

CauliflowerBalti · 06/06/2016 23:00

There are washing machines that can do 8kg in 15 minutes?

Oooh.

TheNotoriousPMT · 06/06/2016 23:01

"She's very emotional" is usually a sexist arsehole's way of saying "She's thick", so even if your wife is emotional, avoid stating it the way you did.

How to get rid of your contempt? Take a few minutes to consider how you will feel if your wife chooses not to return to the marital home.

HowBadIsThisPlease · 06/06/2016 23:03

swg1 is probably right about something to do with the water.

So, you already have to leave the house to get the dried laundry, and you already have the model which has to be emptied.

you have a little baby screaming and you have two toddlers who need to follow you everywhere you go and want to be picked up and are maybe screaming too.

There is something here about what happens when you are straining every sinew to get the laundry done that you Just. Don't. Get.

this applies to the washing line thing too. (Jesus fuck.) (We haven't had nappies in the house for 2 years and still the thought of a washing blockage is enough to bring me out in a cold sweat.) Imagine time was money (it is). Imagine there was some way to get tenners to grow on a line. If you just had a better line. Imagine they are YOUR tenners and they equate to STAYING ALIVE OR DYING OF EXHAUSTION. Who cares about "planning"? (snigger, I can imagine YOUR 3-kids-and-all-the-laundry planning). get the FUCKING washing line. GET IT. It isn't fancy nail varnish, it isn't a night out. it is a TOOL OF THE TRADE.

You are an arrogant fool and you need to come on a bootcamp I am going to start called "SO YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR MARRIAGE? THEN LISTEN UP, FUCKWIT". It is run bay BACP certified DANEROUS FUCKS who learnt their counselling skills from MALCOLM TUCKER

Thisisnow16 · 06/06/2016 23:03

If your reading this and are thinking of getting married and being a SAHM please reconsider Grin

Myusernameismyusername · 06/06/2016 23:04

Ok, you don't like her demands to fix what is broken but also spend time with the children?
Is it possible to try doing both?
Also she didn't ask you to fix the floor, you wanted to fix the floor. So that is why she was annoyed you didn't spend time with the children. She didn't ask you to do that job and then complain you didn't see the kids.
That's also why she is looking for a quick fix dishwasher solution so DIY/ family balance is more equal.

I've been that woman too and it's all really stressful for me also trying to juggle around the one room you can't enter, stopping children from killing themselves in tools, with less space than usual, all upside down, tons of noise and mess. It's annoying!
You also don't have to be fixing all that is broken all the time. It's admirable you want a lovely home - we all do but there's lovely home vs practical home, and that's where you may see differently.

At the end of this really is a frazzled woman who has left you. What are you going to do?
What do you want from her?
More effort? More reassurance she understands you? That works both ways. Neither of you are getting that

PacificDogwod · 06/06/2016 23:05

Your contribution is not more than hers.

That.

Would you prefer for your wife to work?
Would you consider childcare cost a joint family cost or your wife's problem?
Would you want to reduce your commitment to your business if you could to look after your children some of the time?

You seem to consider being rational as superior to being emotional and as if your wife needed 'fixing' in some way. I really think you need to think long and hard about your position here.

pandarific · 06/06/2016 23:05

YMMV, but I tend to experience contempt as a knee jerk emotion. After feeling blamed or criticised, sort of a defensive burst of anger/hurt 'well maybe I did/didn't do X but HE/SHE did x/y/z on three separate occasions last week so who the hell are they to criticise ME'. Or sometimes to reassure myself that of course I'm better than X because I would never do X/Y/Z. It's a shitty emotion, not one to be encouraged.

gshavik · 06/06/2016 23:06

Blowmybarnacles - Box set worked earlier in the year after a spat, House of Cards seasons 1-3 in quick order. Season 4 isn't out yet and truthfully her tv enjoyment is generally Ant & Dec and I'm BBC4 documentaries so not much overlap there really.

Scallopsaregreat - Interesting points. Yes, she got plenty of decision making and input generally through the house, pretty much all decor/carpet choice were down to her with little to no input from me - i trusted her and to be honest colour schemes and matching decor isn't my strong card. She was/is very often in the driving seat so it's not like I'm strongarming things my way in the normal scheme of things. Your closing point with this being her 'support' grounds - Riddle me this, if she went behind my back to my BFF from school days to get the psychological breakdown on my childhood etc and somehow share much/all our personal life with him and his wife in order to gain upper hand in support/backup at my expense would that be different? S'true.

Somerville, I am listening for sure.

OP posts:
Iknownuffink · 06/06/2016 23:07

Give the guy a break.

His wife has just walked out and taken his children with her as though they belong to her.

He stated she wanted to be a SAHM. Perhaps the reality is overwhelming her because she is a princess.

He gets annoyed because she will not look after what she has.

Well boofuckingboo.

I wonder how she will cope as a single parent on a very limited income.

Jeezo there are some nasty man haters on here..

Myusernameismyusername · 06/06/2016 23:08

Contempt usually comes with one person feeling they aren't being listened to or respected. I think there is contempt on both sides.
Don't confuse with hate, it's not the same. It's similar to resentment

BoatyMcBoat · 06/06/2016 23:08

Go to Relate. They will tell one or other of you that you're unreasonable and then you'll know. You do need something as something has gone badly wrong but I doubt that either of you will see the other's pov without help.

exWifebeginsat40 · 06/06/2016 23:09

this is hilariously awful and if I were your wife I'd be digging up your tarred driveway and burying you under it. corpses are TERRIBLE for moss, I hear.

like a previous poster said, she isn't a faulty appliance. mind you, if she was you'd presumably spend weeks working out what was wrong so it might be better to think of her as a faulty Hoover or something.

saints preserve us.

gincamelbak · 06/06/2016 23:12

I've only just read the OP posts. But clearly you are a saint and deserve medals for all you do.

Maybe she needs some time where she isn't reminded of how ungrateful/demanding/careless she is. Maybe things that are important to you (tarmac drive) aren't important to her. Maybe she doesn't get a chance to finish a can of diet coke before a small child spills it.

Maybe you need to grow up and maybe she needs to learn to care about things that are important to you.

Do you appreciate her looking after the children all day every day apart from the one day a week she gets a lie in? Is she happy not working? Maybe she hates being at home and wants to work.

who knows. I've just wasted too many minutes reading a million words that basically say "I'm a brilliant man who buys my wife appliances and all she does is destroy my tarmac in return".

sconebonjovi · 06/06/2016 23:12

I think you seem quite sweet OP (possibly because I recognise aspects of my lovely husband in you) but very bound up in little details, and yes, pretty evidently on the spectrum. You and your wife are clearly both very frustrated, and don't seem to be operating as a team. I think that men quite often show their love and affection by trying to fix practical things, and being handy, but maybe she'd like it if you'd just make like Elsa and let it go. Do you for days out with the kids, and mess around together?

thatorchidmoment · 06/06/2016 23:12

Speaking as a mother of 3 young children, you don't know how fortunate you are that you still have your Crown Jewels.

Laminate is not a master stroke in any house with young children. It is impossible to monitor every spill and dry it up instantly. Your precious floor will. get. wrecked.

You have contempt for your wife because you see her as lesser, in some way. You do not value her contribution as the carer of your children. Instead, you come home and point out flaws in her housekeeping. This is not cool. Women judge themselves so harshly at the best of times, to have your husband doing it is unbearable.

I know what it is like living in a nightmare house (no functioning kitchen for 9 months, anyone?) and it is properly tough. My husband prioritised stuff like carpets in the bedrooms, painting walls, and rewiring. These were easily achievable and he could see quick results. In the meantime I was going mad trying to cook with a small microwave, slow cooker and a plug-in double ring. Visitors descended upon us regardless. I had to cater for them all. DH shopped around for good quotes. Traders took weeks to get back to him. It was hideous and I know something of how frustrated your wife felt. Sex was the last thing I wanted most of the time, because Children and Stress.

If you love her, go to counselling. It is not ridiculous. You have lost the ability to communicate. A neutral third party might help bridge that gap.

Otherwise, get used to leading an immaculate and lonely existence.

sconebonjovi · 06/06/2016 23:14

Also, 3 under 4 and your wife stays at home with them full time? She's a freaking hero, she must be utterly exhausted.

gshavik · 06/06/2016 23:16

AirforSharon - She makes as much money from my business, if not very slightly more, than I do. She is a shareholding director with equal stake due to marriage. I just run the business and do all I can to keep that ticking over.

EarthBoundMisfit - Going back to your earlier message, Feelings is one area I really struggle with to define or explain or truthfully understand. Whether that's because I'm male or whether that's because I would say I have communication difficulties to some degree is really hard for me to say. But; I do feel that whilst we both are united in how we want our childrens futures to be and want to pull in that same direction, we just can't get on that page together. What I can clearly feel is pissed off, upset (in that blokish way of suppressing/ignoring it) but upset nonetheless or, increasingly rarely these days, happy. Happy has not generally came from direct action or interaction with my wife. All the time from playing with the kids. I can't pinpoint where we diverged from being the team but I think it was after DC2 birth.

OP posts:
SemiNormal · 06/06/2016 23:17

I feel for you both OP, sounds like life is getting to you both right now and you're bogged down with work, she's bogged down with the kids and housework ....

I think OP isn't been given a fair chance here, everyone is saying his poor wife has 3 kids to look after .... you know it takes two right? she wanted to be a SAHM and now it sounds like she's not coping too well - that's not exactly just the OPs fault is it?

As for the 'stuff' it sounds like she wants the best of everything but everything is getting trashed? - I get how that would piss you off. It would piss me off too. I have one child and he manages to trash stuff so you know what I do? replace it with second hand crap so at least if it's trashed again I won't give a shit. There's plenty of time for me to have a 'show home' but for now it can wait.

Is there anyone who could have the kids for a weekend so you and your wife can get away for a break? I think most couples go through a point where everything is about work, home, kids etc and there just isn't time for each other any more. I 'get' that you feel there would be time if only she got her arse off mumsnet right? but the time she spends on here is because what is the alternative? arguing over white goods? another conversation about the kids? hearing you talk about work? sounds like she needs something to make her feel like a person in her own rights rather than 'just' a mum or wife.

Misnomer · 06/06/2016 23:17

OP - what are your faults? You've continued to list what's wrong with your wife so where's your list? Have you spent any time since she's been gone considering your part in all of this?

I feel incredibly sorry for your wife.

And iknownuffink - no, you clearly don't.

Myusernameismyusername · 06/06/2016 23:18

She will be able to tell if you are suppressing your irritation with her just as much if you express it. You maybe need to learn about body language giving you away, or gestures you make without knowing.

thisusernameisnotavailable · 06/06/2016 23:20

OP I'm a single female parent and also a fellow PH'er so maybe I'm not the person to offer advice as largely I don't see a huge number of things wrong with your post unlike fellow mumsnetters.

That said maybe you wife is tired of being stuck in a rut of doing the same thing day after day after day. Looking after kids is hard work as you know and maybe she's fed up of being 'mum or wife' and wants to be 'insert Christian name' again.

I dunno and this is where I need the :screwy: smilie

ricketytickety · 06/06/2016 23:20

Would you go to counselling now if she was up for it?

You're probably realising you've spent too much time worrying about the state of the house and not your wife's feelings.

The moss, the drier, the washing machine, the floor, the coat hook, the diet coke. It's all just small fry compared to not having your wife's company.

A marriage isn't a competition of efficiency.